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**whembly**

"Covfefe" is the greatest twitter thing ever.

It's amazeballs that we don't get anymore of this unintentional greatness. (just goes to show that Trump isn't writing his tweets anymore, an intern is probably doing it at Trump's dictation).

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And the pen gets to work:

Trump's executive order will allow families to be detained together, but won't end "zero tolerance," source says
From CNN's Kevin Liptak

A source familiar with the upcoming executive order on family separations says it will not end the "zero tolerance" policy that is prompting the border separations.

It will be more narrowly focused on ending the family separations by allowing families to be detained together.

This source noted that it's not yet clear how the families that are currently separated will be reunited.

That's going to run afoul with a court order that mandates children can't be detained for more than 20 days (via 9th court of appeals)... expect to see some court actions. So, they're optimistic that something will get legislatively passed, or willing to argue in court.

**Wolfblade**

I think the best part of trump's twitter is the fact it's official presidential policy/documents/whatever, so him deleting any of his tweets goes against the Presidential Records Act.

**d-usa**

Glad to see we are ending a policy that didn’t exist, in a way that we couldn’t, to solve a problem that wasn’t a problem.

**WrentheFaceless**

The question now is who is he going to deflect to/throw under the bus for this, since he certainly wont take responsibility for his/his administrations own policy

**Dreadwinter**

WrentheFaceless wrote:
The question now is who is he going to deflect to/throw under the bus for this, since he certainly wont take responsibility for his/his administrations own policy

The true villains of course.

[Insert Skeletor Liberals Meme Here]

**d-usa**

He’s been crapping on Sessions for over a year now, so I’m gonna be totally surprised if this whole thing isn’t somehow completely Session’s fault.

**Ouze**

d-usa wrote:
Glad to see we are ending a policy that didn’t exist, in a way that we couldn’t, to solve a problem that wasn’t a problem.

I assume all of the people that were absolutely adamant that Trump totally couldn't fix this on his own, and all he's doing is enforcing the law, are now absolutely furious that he is soft on illegals and is no longer enforcing the law, right? I am sure we're going to see 12-15 posts by the people on the last few pages expressing exactly those sentiments? Right?

**whembly**

Ouze wrote:
d-usa wrote:
Glad to see we are ending a policy that didn’t exist, in a way that we couldn’t, to solve a problem that wasn’t a problem.

I assume all of the people that were absolutely adamant that Trump totally couldn't fix this on his own, and all he's doing is enforcing the law, are now absolutely furious that he is soft on illegals and is no longer enforcing the law, right? I am sure we're going to see 12-15 posts by the people on the last few pages expressing exactly those sentiments? Right?

He didn't undo the zero tolerance... he's instructing the DHS to keep the family together. I would be more upset if he rescinded the zero tolerance policy.

If the adjudication exceed 20 days, we'll start seeing some lawsuits.

**Ustrello**

Ouze wrote:
d-usa wrote:
Glad to see we are ending a policy that didn’t exist, in a way that we couldn’t, to solve a problem that wasn’t a problem.

I assume all of the people that were absolutely adamant that Trump totally couldn't fix this on his own, and all he's doing is enforcing the law, are now absolutely furious that he is soft on illegals and is no longer enforcing the law, right? I am sure we're going to see 12-15 posts by the people on the last few pages expressing exactly those sentiments? Right?

When a snake smokes

**Ouze**

I see we're still doing the "I had to vote for Trump because liberals were mean to me" thing. What an absolutely craven avoidance of responsibility.

**Ustrello**

Already beaten to the punch it seems

**Vaktathi**

Cohen resigns as deputy finance chair of the Republican National Committee's Finance Committee

Odd that he remained in that position this whole time...

He also appears to be hiring a new legal team.

However, of greater note is this tidbit

Michael Cohen wrote:"As the son of a Polish holocaust survivor, the images and sounds of this family separation policy is heart wrenching,” Cohen wrote. “While I strongly support measures that will secure our porous borders, children should never be used as bargaining chips."

So ah...yeah.

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whembly wrote:

That's going to run afoul with a court order that mandates children can't be detained for more than 20 days (via 9th court of appeals)... expect to see some court actions. So, they're optimistic that something will get legislatively passed, or willing to argue in court.

I think theyre hoping something makes if through congress, we'll see what happens, but ultimately I cant see them reversing again.

**Tannhauser42**

d-usa wrote:
He’s been crapping on Sessions for over a year now, so I’m gonna be totally surprised if this whole thing isn’t somehow completely Session’s fault.

Which is odd, because Sessions, ideally, shouldn't be the scapegoat for this, despite his unfortunate decision to quote the bible. ICE falls under DHS, not DOJ, so where has the head of DHS been through all of this? Or am I missing something that somehow makes this DOJ's fault?

**AlmightyWalrus**

Ustrello wrote:
Ouze wrote:
d-usa wrote:
Glad to see we are ending a policy that didn’t exist, in a way that we couldn’t, to solve a problem that wasn’t a problem.

I assume all of the people that were absolutely adamant that Trump totally couldn't fix this on his own, and all he's doing is enforcing the law, are now absolutely furious that he is soft on illegals and is no longer enforcing the law, right? I am sure we're going to see 12-15 posts by the people on the last few pages expressing exactly those sentiments? Right?

When a snake smokes

Considering how that entire episode of Brazilian history ended up, perhaps not the most apt expression for something we both know absolutely won't ever happen?

**Ouze**

Tannhauser42 wrote:
Which is odd, because Sessions, ideally, shouldn't be the scapegoat for this, despite his unfortunate decision to quote the bible. ICE falls under DHS, not DOJ, so where has the head of DHS been through all of this? Or am I missing something that somehow makes this DOJ's fault?

Well, she's also in bad odor with Trump and has been for a while, since she hasn't been able to get anything going on the wall. I would not be surprised if she was shown the door within the next 2 weeks.

**d-usa**

Tannhauser42 wrote:
d-usa wrote:
He’s been crapping on Sessions for over a year now, so I’m gonna be totally surprised if this whole thing isn’t somehow completely Session’s fault.

Which is odd, because Sessions, ideally, shouldn't be the scapegoat for this, despite his unfortunate decision to quote the bible. ICE falls under DHS, not DOJ, so where has the head of DHS been through all of this? Or am I missing something that somehow makes this DOJ's fault?

If Sessions hadn't recused himself, Trump would have an AG who would have stopped the Russia Probe, which would mean that Democrats would not have any excuse for not working with Trump, which would mean that Trump would have been able to build a wall by now to stop the immigration. But because of the #witchhunt Trump can't get anything past this obstructionist legislature and had to resort to separating these kids, none of which would have happened if Sessions would have told Trump he was going to recuse himself, in which case Trump would have withdrawn Sessions nomination and put someone else in charge, which would mean that we wouldn't have children in cages right now.

Trump Logic.

**Wolfblade**

d-usa wrote:
Tannhauser42 wrote:
d-usa wrote:
He’s been crapping on Sessions for over a year now, so I’m gonna be totally surprised if this whole thing isn’t somehow completely Session’s fault.

Which is odd, because Sessions, ideally, shouldn't be the scapegoat for this, despite his unfortunate decision to quote the bible. ICE falls under DHS, not DOJ, so where has the head of DHS been through all of this? Or am I missing something that somehow makes this DOJ's fault?

If Sessions hadn't recused himself, Trump would have an AG who would have stopped the Russia Probe, which would mean that Democrats would not have any excuse for not working with Trump, which would mean that Trump would have been able to build a wall by now to stop the immigration. But because of the #witchhunt Trump can't get anything past this obstructionist legislature and had to resort to separating these kids, none of which would have happened if Sessions would have told Trump he was going to recuse himself, in which case Trump would have withdrawn Sessions nomination and put someone else in charge, which would mean that we wouldn't have children in cages right now.

Trump Logic.

You forgot something about her emails, or Benghazi.

**Steelmage99**

Ouze wrote:
Tannhauser42 wrote:
Which is odd, because Sessions, ideally, shouldn't be the scapegoat for this, despite his unfortunate decision to quote the bible. ICE falls under DHS, not DOJ, so where has the head of DHS been through all of this? Or am I missing something that somehow makes this DOJ's fault?

Well, she's also in bad odor with Trump and has been for a while, since she hasn't been able to get anything going on the wall. I would not be surprised if she was shown the door within the next 2 weeks.

We are talking about the blonde woman, with the decidedly Nordic name of Kirstjen Nielsen, who was unable (or unwilling) to answer whether Norwegians are predominately white, right?

**Ouze**

Steelmage99 wrote:
We are talking about the blonde woman, with the decidedly Nordic name of Kirstjen Nielsen, who was unable (or unwilling) to answer whether Norwegians are predominately white, right?

Yes, that's her. I didn't know about the Norwegian thing, she was the one who claimed a week ago that there were no separations occurring. Which, of course, is now a pretty common tactic, just flat out fething lying in a bid to appeal to I don't even know who since literally everyone knows it's a blatant lie.

**Bookwrack**

whembly wrote:
Ouze wrote:
d-usa wrote:
Glad to see we are ending a policy that didn’t exist, in a way that we couldn’t, to solve a problem that wasn’t a problem.

I assume all of the people that were absolutely adamant that Trump totally couldn't fix this on his own, and all he's doing is enforcing the law, are now absolutely furious that he is soft on illegals and is no longer enforcing the law, right? I am sure we're going to see 12-15 posts by the people on the last few pages expressing exactly those sentiments? Right?

He didn't undo the zero tolerance... he's instructing the DHS to keep the family together.

Yes, except no. 'in accordance with laws and available resources' isn't so much wiggle room as 'walk right on through' room.to keep right on doing what they're doing.

Hilariously, the head of ICE, on camera, whined that 'you can't blame us! We're just following orders!' It's like, dude, do you even Nazi?

**Easy E**

Bookwrack wrote:
whembly wrote:
Ouze wrote:
d-usa wrote:
Glad to see we are ending a policy that didn’t exist, in a way that we couldn’t, to solve a problem that wasn’t a problem.

I assume all of the people that were absolutely adamant that Trump totally couldn't fix this on his own, and all he's doing is enforcing the law, are now absolutely furious that he is soft on illegals and is no longer enforcing the law, right? I am sure we're going to see 12-15 posts by the people on the last few pages expressing exactly those sentiments? Right?

He didn't undo the zero tolerance... he's instructing the DHS to keep the family together.

Yes, except no. 'in accordance with laws and available resources' isn't so much wiggle room as 'walk right on through' room.to keep right on doing what they're doing.

Hilariously, the head of ICE, on camera, whined that 'you can't blame us! We're just following orders!' It's like, dude, do you even Nazi?

To quote a fellow posters avatar...... ICE did Nazi that coming!

**BaronIveagh**

whembly wrote:

The same dems: Trump should pick and choose laws to follow when it comes to immigration. :finger wagging galores:

Except the part where it was never really a law.

And, yeah, them Dems! And Independents, and Republicans. And pretty much every other human being who still has a sense of morality.

Rumor has it that we can thank Melania for the about face on this. I have this idea that the conversation went something like this:

'Honey, Barron was teased at school today for his daddy locking up ze little children. I vant you to explain to him how it's good to keep ze little children in cages."

'Oh, boy."

**BobtheInquisitor**

Baron, it's weird that you think they still talk to each other.

**BaronIveagh**

BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Baron, it's weird that you think they still talk to each other.

No, unnamed White House insiders have reported that she and he had a series of conversations today about this.

And my parents talk even when they're trying to drive knives into each other, so I imagine the Trump family works on a similar principal.

**d-usa**

I’d like to think that she basically went something like this:

“Look, feth whoever you want, grab whatever pussy you want, I don’t give a gak. But if you keep on throwing kids in cages, you will understand the true meaning of fire and fury because I got enough dirt on you to sink you and I don’t care if I go down.”

Maybe her motherly instinct was reached at some point this week.

**BaronIveagh**

d-usa wrote:
I’d like to think that she basically went something like this:

“Look, feth whoever you want, grab whatever pussy you want, I don’t give a gak. But if you keep on throwing kids in cages, you will understand the true meaning of fire and fury because I got enough dirt on you to sink you and I don’t care if I go down.”

Maybe her motherly instinct was reached at some point this week.

Well, every living first lady condemned it, so...

**NinthMusketeer**

Man this thread flies, take an OT break for a day and it's added five pages!

Anyways I don't support the 'deplorables' term, or any similar ones from either side, regardless of how much truth there is or isn't to them. Because name-calling simply isn't productive in any capacity. If term A really is true it would be better to say "X group is A" because just that change of phrasing dramatically changes how the message sounds over "X is a bunch of A's".

And as others have mentioned, that name-calling somehow drove people to trump is one of the flimsiest and hypocritical excuses I've heard.

**Vaktathi**

No special effort planned to reunite migrant families already separated: report

There will be no special effort from the Trump administration to reunite migrant families separated at the border, according to a report from The New York Times, despite President Trump signing an executive order halting the practice.

The Times cites a Health and Human Services (HHS) Department official as saying that the children will not immediately be reunited with their families while their parents are detained throughout their immigration proceedings.

“There will not be a grandfathering of existing cases,” Kenneth Wolfe, spokesman for the Administration for Children and Families, part of HHS, told The Times.

The Hill has reached out to HHS for further comment.

Wolfe said that the decision about the children would be ultimately be handled by the White House, but said “I can tell you definitively that is going to be policy.”

Welp, that ulcer's gonna keep bleeding...

**cuda1179**

Being driven to Trump because of name calling isn't a great theory, I'll give you that. That being said, when both candidates make you ill to vote for, something's got to push you one way or another

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Dreadwinter wrote:
WrentheFaceless wrote:
The question now is who is he going to deflect to/throw under the bus for this, since he certainly wont take responsibility for his/his administrations own policy

The true villains of course.

[Insert Skeletor Liberals Meme Here]

Hey, leave Nanci Pelosi out of this. LOL

**d-usa**

If a theory that basically boils down to "I'll vote for the donkey-cave because you called me an donkey-cave" helps people sleep better at night, then there really is nothing anyone can do to point out how stupid that theory really is.

The truth is that people decided that it having a pussy-grabbing white supremacist pandering POTUS is more acceptable than a Democrat for president.

A large part of the population may not be racist and sexist and filled with hate. But they were okay with having a racist sexist hateful president.