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 Da Boss wrote:
Just admit the USA cannot defeat a third world country in a war. It is obvious to anyone with a brain.

That's where you're wrong, kiddo.

I proudly point to our glorious victories over Panama and Grenada.

 feeder wrote:
I'm curious as to how Trump's 'Dealmaker' myth has survived his total inability to make a deal since he took office.

By using the "spin to win" news approach enjoyed and viewed/read by the majority of his supporters.


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 Ouze wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
Just admit the USA cannot defeat a third world country in a war. It is obvious to anyone with a brain.

That's where you're wrong, kiddo.

I proudly point to our glorious victories over Panama and Grenada.

You mean that time back when America was still great?

It should not be forgotten that France is also a nuclear power. So independent of the US, we have nuclear capability in Europe. And Germany could likely develop such capability if it ever decided it needed to.

I doubt Germans would stand for developing nuclear power. We barely tolerate the nuclear reactors. How much drama does a CASTOR transport get nowadays?

We are talking about a world where the US no longer cares about it's European allies. I think pragmatism and a desire to defender ourselves from a hostile Russia would win out.

As soon as America's compromised president is deposed, I am confident (read: hoping against hope) that the following administration will provide robust safeguards against this happening in the future. Pax Americana has been one of the safest and most prosperous times in human history. I am loathe to discover what hegemonic Chinese rule is like.

 Disciple of Fate wrote:
Maybe we should avoid the war with Russia scenario, given that it always ends up in Russian fantasy land and drag this thing off topic.

you raise a fair point.

In other news...

Oregon ranchers pardoned by Trump fly home on Pence donor's private jet

The Times attributes the Hammonds' private ride home with Lucas to an abundance of lobbying that took place to secure the ranchers' pardon.

Lucas reportedly donated $50,000 to Pence and his wife while Pence was running for governor of Indiana. According to the Times, Lucas also gave Pence two tickets worth $774 to attend an Indianapolis Colts game in 2017.

Lucas, whose company also reportedly owns the naming rights to the NFL team's Lucas Oil Stadium, has lobbied extensively against animal-rights activists. The Times reported that Lucas used Protect the Harvest to lobby for the Hammonds' release.

 Ouze wrote:
Oh look, Rand Paul is doing his usual shtick and pretending he might not vote for Brett Kavanaugh. How unexpected! What high drama! Whatever will he do when it comes down the the wire?

As is tradition

 Vaktathi wrote:

In other news...

Oregon ranchers pardoned by Trump fly home on Pence donor's private jet

The Times attributes the Hammonds' private ride home with Lucas to an abundance of lobbying that took place to secure the ranchers' pardon.

Lucas reportedly donated $50,000 to Pence and his wife while Pence was running for governor of Indiana. According to the Times, Lucas also gave Pence two tickets worth $774 to attend an Indianapolis Colts game in 2017.

Lucas, whose company also reportedly owns the naming rights to the NFL team's Lucas Oil Stadium, has lobbied extensively against animal-rights activists. The Times reported that Lucas used Protect the Harvest to lobby for the Hammonds' release.

That a pretty solid investment I would say.

 Da Boss wrote:
Do you not have a problem with the rudeness of your president? From your response you seem to endorse it. I thought you had better manners than that in America.

Not people in New York - basically the most rude people on earth. That is where Trump is from. Realistically - this is how every meeting in Trumps life has gone - he points at the people he thinks are gaking up and tells people exactly what he thinks. It's not personal to him - he just wants to make money or solve a problem quickly. Want to meet nice people in the US? Go to Texas or Georgia or something.

Its not personal to him? Half of his twitter feed is personal attacks to imaginary slights. For the other half he has his trained attack dogs on TV. His approach has been the most personal one in many administrations.


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So this just in:

North Korean officials have failed to turn up for talks with a US team on the repatriation of the remains of American soldiers killed in the Korean war.

Returning the remains was a commitment from the 12 June summit between Kim Jong-un and Donald Trump in Singapore.

....
There is speculation that North Korea may also want payment for the return of the remains, our correspondent says.

That awkward moment when Trump claims "great progress" 5 minutes later.

 feeder wrote:
As soon as America's compromised president is deposed, I am confident (read: hoping against hope) that the following administration will provide robust safeguards against this happening in the future. Pax Americana has been one of the safest and most prosperous times in human history. I am loathe to discover what hegemonic Chinese rule is like.

What's funny is - Trump is your best be at not being ruled by the Chinese in the next 30 years.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
Do you not have a problem with the rudeness of your president? From your response you seem to endorse it. I thought you had better manners than that in America.

Not people in New York - basically the most rude people on earth. That is where Trump is from. Realistically - this is how every meeting in Trumps life has gone - he points at the people he thinks are gaking up and tells people exactly what he thinks. It's not personal to him - he just wants to make money or solve a problem quickly. Want to meet nice people in the US? Go to Texas or Georgia or something.

I've met more friendly people in New York than in Georgia. I've never been to Texas, but the Texans I've known in real life were not very friendly at all.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
Do you not have a problem with the rudeness of your president? From your response you seem to endorse it. I thought you had better manners than that in America.

Not people in New York - basically the most rude people on earth. That is where Trump is from. Realistically - this is how every meeting in Trumps life has gone - he points at the people he thinks are gaking up and tells people exactly what he thinks. It's not personal to him - he just wants to make money or solve a problem quickly. Want to meet nice people in the US? Go to Texas or Georgia or something.

I'm from NY, father lives in NYC, Trump is rude by NYC standards. He's also a clown and a failure by their standards and we're all rather upset anyone fell for the same crap he's pulled here for years.

And NY isn't rude, we just don't have time for people meandering their way to the point. Get to the point, we act, we move on to the next thing, we have things to do. Work with some people down south, wish this was more wide spread in the US.

 Disciple of Fate wrote:

 feeder wrote:
I'm curious as to how Trump's 'Dealmaker' myth has survived his total inability to make a deal since he took office.

By using the "spin to win" news approach enjoyed and viewed/read by the majority of his supporters.


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 Da Boss wrote:
Just admit the USA cannot defeat a third world country in a war. It is obvious to anyone with a brain.

That's where you're wrong, kiddo.

I proudly point to our glorious victories over Panama and Grenada.

You mean that time back when America was still great?

This is how all news is man. Fake news is the news someone else listens to. Heck - my Dad taught me when I was very young I shouldn't believe anything I hear on TV without researching it from multiple sources. This was when I was like 4 years old so...About 1990. It's always been like this.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 feeder wrote:
As soon as America's compromised president is deposed, I am confident (read: hoping against hope) that the following administration will provide robust safeguards against this happening in the future. Pax Americana has been one of the safest and most prosperous times in human history. I am loathe to discover what hegemonic Chinese rule is like.

What's funny is - Trump is your best be at not being ruled by the Chinese in the next 30 years.

How is he the best bet though? His approach is not that exceptional and not very specific on East Asia. He is quite run of the mill and neither good or bad when it comes to containing China. Although partly that is also down to Xi Jinping damaging China to compensate for some Trump missteps.


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 Xenomancers wrote:

This is how all news is man. Fake news is the news someone else listens to. Heck - my Dad taught me when I was very young I shouldn't believe anything I hear on TV without researching it from multiple sources. This was when I was like 4 years old so...About 1990. It's always been like this.

Ignoring the all news is equally bad argument. Even if you did your own research on Trump from multiple sources its abundantly clear that Trump as a businessman is terrible, he is a celebrity brand because of opportunities offered to him by the media. Trump objectively is a bad dealmaker because he can't compromise and his multiple bankruptcies. The idea only survives due to confirmation bias.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
Do you not have a problem with the rudeness of your president? From your response you seem to endorse it. I thought you had better manners than that in America.

Not people in New York - basically the most rude people on earth. That is where Trump is from. Realistically - this is how every meeting in Trumps life has gone - he points at the people he thinks are gaking up and tells people exactly what he thinks. It's not personal to him - he just wants to make money or solve a problem quickly. Want to meet nice people in the US? Go to Texas or Georgia or something.

I've met more friendly people in New York than in Georgia. I've never been to Texas, but the Texans I've known in real life were not very friendly at all.

I was more or less trying to be funny. Though I find that really hard to believe you find NYers to be nicer than Texans. Terms like "Southern Charm" didn't just come out of nowhere.

If we are talking about manners though -
In the South - people say please/sir/mam on a regular basis - hold doors open for people.
In the North - people cuss in random conversations with strangers and have no time to hold the door.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 feeder wrote:
As soon as America's compromised president is deposed, I am confident (read: hoping against hope) that the following administration will provide robust safeguards against this happening in the future. Pax Americana has been one of the safest and most prosperous times in human history. I am loathe to discover what hegemonic Chinese rule is like.

What's funny is - Trump is your best be at not being ruled by the Chinese in the next 30 years.

I'm confused. How does alienating the allies that made America great and cosying up to her traditional adversaries further those aims?

 Da Boss wrote:
Just admit the USA cannot defeat a third world country in a war. It is obvious to anyone with a brain.

Normally don't back these things, but we could, if it was the actual goal and there was actual support for it.

As it is, the US is not a nation on war footing, we're pussy footing wars in random places to get some young men killed so some elected officials can look very somber in front of caskets.

So in a way it's worse than not being able to, it's just that a lot of dead foreigners and a couple dead Americans makes for a really good photo op.

 Xenomancers wrote:
This is how all news is man. Fake news is the news someone else listens to. Heck - my Dad taught me when I was very young I shouldn't believe anything I hear on TV without researching it from multiple sources. This was when I was like 4 years old so...About 1990. It's always been like this.

You cannot research multiple sources and come to the conclusion that Trump is anything but a liar and a fraud. I call BS.

 Xenomancers wrote:
What's funny is - Trump is your best be at not being ruled by the Chinese in the next 30 years.

I'm not sure being owned by someone is any better than being ruled by them.

YeOldSaltPotato wrote:And NY isn't rude, we just don't have time for people meandering their way to the point. Get to the point, we act, we move on to the next thing, we have things to do. Work with some people down south, wish this was more wide spread in the US.

Been to NY a couple times and never really found it to be nearly as bad as people like to portray it. In fact most of the people I have met were nice. Of course it is always been New York City so I'm not sure about places like Albany or Rochester so maybe the people there are just terrible.

BobtheInquisitor wrote:I've met more friendly people in New York than in Georgia. I've never been to Texas, but the Texans I've known in real life were not very friendly at all.

Especially the ones with wiener dogs. They're just mean and will make you cry.

 Disciple of Fate wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 feeder wrote:
As soon as America's compromised president is deposed, I am confident (read: hoping against hope) that the following administration will provide robust safeguards against this happening in the future. Pax Americana has been one of the safest and most prosperous times in human history. I am loathe to discover what hegemonic Chinese rule is like.

What's funny is - Trump is your best be at not being ruled by the Chinese in the next 30 years.

How is he the best bet though? His approach is not that exceptional and not very specific on East Asia.


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 Xenomancers wrote:

This is how all news is man. Fake news is the news someone else listens to. Heck - my Dad taught me when I was very young I shouldn't believe anything I hear on TV without researching it from multiple sources. This was when I was like 4 years old so...About 1990. It's always been like this.

Ignoring the all news is equally bad argument. Even if you did your own research on Trump from multiple sources its abundantly clear that Trump as a businessman is terrible, he is a celebrity brand because of opportunities offered to him by the media. Trump objectively is a bad dealmaker because he can't compromise and his multiple bankruptcies. The idea only survives due to confirmation bias.

Not saying that you should ignore all news. There really isn't an impartial source anywhere these days. Just agenda pushers.

China practically owns the united states. We owe them huge amounts of money. Pretty soon - we will all be speaking Chinese.

Xenomancers wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
Do you not have a problem with the rudeness of your president? From your response you seem to endorse it. I thought you had better manners than that in America.

Not people in New York - basically the most rude people on earth. That is where Trump is from. Realistically - this is how every meeting in Trumps life has gone - he points at the people he thinks are gaking up and tells people exactly what he thinks. It's not personal to him - he just wants to make money or solve a problem quickly. Want to meet nice people in the US? Go to Texas or Georgia or something.

we generally dont see the same out of most other NY politicians, at least not at the same level, and of those we have, theyve run into issues...

Disciple of Fate wrote:Its not personal to him? Half of his twitter feed is personal attacks to imaginary slights. For the other half he has his trained attack dogs on TV. His approach has been the most personal one in many administrations.


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So this just in:

North Korean officials have failed to turn up for talks with a US team on the repatriation of the remains of American soldiers killed in the Korean war.

Returning the remains was a commitment from the 12 June summit between Kim Jong-un and Donald Trump in Singapore.

....
There is speculation that North Korea may also want payment for the return of the remains, our correspondent says.

That awkward moment when Trump claims "great progress" 5 minutes later.

That has the potential to get real awkward. feth NK for playing games with war dead, but if they think they can get it after the meeting with Trump, I can see where they would try. Alternatively, it could just be NK being weird NK again and they just didnt have their gak together

YeOldSaltPotato wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
What's funny is - Trump is your best be at not being ruled by the Chinese in the next 30 years.

I'm not sure being owned by someone is any better than being ruled by them.

Exactly my point.

 Xenomancers wrote:

Not saying that you should ignore all news. There really isn't an impartial source anywhere these days. Just agenda pushers.

China practically owns the united states. We owe them huge amounts of money. Pretty soon - we will all be speaking Chinese.

But that is exactly what Donald "the dealmaker" Trump is, agenda pushing.

No they don't. What China holds in US debt is vastly overblow (and that debt sword cuts both ways). Japan holds almost as much and you're not speaking Japanese right now. And for all the power the US wields, you would be surprised how little English the pre internet generations speak.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Disciple of Fate wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 feeder wrote:
As soon as America's compromised president is deposed, I am confident (read: hoping against hope) that the following administration will provide robust safeguards against this happening in the future. Pax Americana has been one of the safest and most prosperous times in human history. I am loathe to discover what hegemonic Chinese rule is like.

What's funny is - Trump is your best be at not being ruled by the Chinese in the next 30 years.

How is he the best bet though? His approach is not that exceptional and not very specific on East Asia.


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 Xenomancers wrote:

This is how all news is man. Fake news is the news someone else listens to. Heck - my Dad taught me when I was very young I shouldn't believe anything I hear on TV without researching it from multiple sources. This was when I was like 4 years old so...About 1990. It's always been like this.

Ignoring the all news is equally bad argument. Even if you did your own research on Trump from multiple sources its abundantly clear that Trump as a businessman is terrible, he is a celebrity brand because of opportunities offered to him by the media. Trump objectively is a bad dealmaker because he can't compromise and his multiple bankruptcies. The idea only survives due to confirmation bias.

Not saying that you should ignore all news. There really isn't an impartial source anywhere these days. Just agenda pushers.

China practically owns the united states. We owe them huge amounts of money. Pretty soon - we will all be speaking Chinese.

Try again. China only owns 7.2% of US debt.

Http://www.thebalance.com/how-much-u-s-debt-does-china-own-417016

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Disciple of Fate wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 feeder wrote:
As soon as America's compromised president is deposed, I am confident (read: hoping against hope) that the following administration will provide robust safeguards against this happening in the future. Pax Americana has been one of the safest and most prosperous times in human history. I am loathe to discover what hegemonic Chinese rule is like.

What's funny is - Trump is your best be at not being ruled by the Chinese in the next 30 years.

How is he the best bet though? His approach is not that exceptional and not very specific on East Asia.


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 Xenomancers wrote:

This is how all news is man. Fake news is the news someone else listens to. Heck - my Dad taught me when I was very young I shouldn't believe anything I hear on TV without researching it from multiple sources. This was when I was like 4 years old so...About 1990. It's always been like this.

Ignoring the all news is equally bad argument. Even if you did your own research on Trump from multiple sources its abundantly clear that Trump as a businessman is terrible, he is a celebrity brand because of opportunities offered to him by the media. Trump objectively is a bad dealmaker because he can't compromise and his multiple bankruptcies. The idea only survives due to confirmation bias.

Not saying that you should ignore all news. There really isn't an impartial source anywhere these days. Just agenda pushers.

China practically owns the united states. We owe them huge amounts of money. Pretty soon - we will all be speaking Chinese.

Haven't seen that old tape rolled out in a while, you are like my old elementary school teacher who was always ranting and raving about the red chinese taking over the world back in the 90s.

 Vaktathi wrote:

Disciple of Fate wrote:Its not personal to him? Half of his twitter feed is personal attacks to imaginary slights. For the other half he has his trained attack dogs on TV. His approach has been the most personal one in many administrations.


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So this just in:

North Korean officials have failed to turn up for talks with a US team on the repatriation of the remains of American soldiers killed in the Korean war.

Returning the remains was a commitment from the 12 June summit between Kim Jong-un and Donald Trump in Singapore.

....
There is speculation that North Korea may also want payment for the return of the remains, our correspondent says.

That awkward moment when Trump claims "great progress" 5 minutes later.

That has the potential to get real awkward. feth NK for playing games with war dead, but if they think they can get it after the meeting with Trump, I can see where they would try. Alternatively, it could just be NK being weird NK again and they just didnt have their gak together

The article makes it sound like NK is just using it as leverage to get another high profile photo op. Maybe not on glorious leader level, but useful for domestic use.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
Do you not have a problem with the rudeness of your president? From your response you seem to endorse it. I thought you had better manners than that in America.

Not people in New York - basically the most rude people on earth. That is where Trump is from. Realistically - this is how every meeting in Trumps life has gone - he points at the people he thinks are gaking up and tells people exactly what he thinks. It's not personal to him - he just wants to make money or solve a problem quickly. Want to meet nice people in the US? Go to Texas or Georgia or something.

I've met more friendly people in New York than in Georgia. I've never been to Texas, but the Texans I've known in real life were not very friendly at all.

Damn straight. We are not friendly. Jusr ask all the people that have moved here in the last five years...


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 Xenomancers wrote:

 feeder wrote:
As soon as America's compromised president is deposed, I am confident (read: hoping against hope) that the following administration will provide robust safeguards against this happening in the future. Pax Americana has been one of the safest and most prosperous times in human history. I am loathe to discover what hegemonic Chinese rule is like.

What's funny is - Trump is your best be at not being ruled by the Chinese in the next 30 years.

I'm confused. How does alienating the allies that made America great and cosying up to her traditional adversaries further those aims?

Why are you assuming Trump has aims?

 Ustrello wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Disciple of Fate wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 feeder wrote:
As soon as America's compromised president is deposed, I am confident (read: hoping against hope) that the following administration will provide robust safeguards against this happening in the future. Pax Americana has been one of the safest and most prosperous times in human history. I am loathe to discover what hegemonic Chinese rule is like.

What's funny is - Trump is your best be at not being ruled by the Chinese in the next 30 years.

How is he the best bet though? His approach is not that exceptional and not very specific on East Asia.


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 Xenomancers wrote:

This is how all news is man. Fake news is the news someone else listens to. Heck - my Dad taught me when I was very young I shouldn't believe anything I hear on TV without researching it from multiple sources. This was when I was like 4 years old so...About 1990. It's always been like this.

Ignoring the all news is equally bad argument. Even if you did your own research on Trump from multiple sources its abundantly clear that Trump as a businessman is terrible, he is a celebrity brand because of opportunities offered to him by the media. Trump objectively is a bad dealmaker because he can't compromise and his multiple bankruptcies. The idea only survives due to confirmation bias.

Not saying that you should ignore all news. There really isn't an impartial source anywhere these days. Just agenda pushers.

China practically owns the united states. We owe them huge amounts of money. Pretty soon - we will all be speaking Chinese.

Haven't seen that old tape rolled out in a while, you are like my old elementary school teacher who was always ranting and raving about the red chinese taking over the world back in the 90s.

Pretty good foresight. From a country with practically no economy to unquestioned number 2 with a growth rate 5 times higher than number 1....yeah...that person was brilliant.