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I am glad I have been on the sideline since 5th edition. Too many blown opportunities by GW. I hope they put it all out. After all they are a model company. The more they produce the more we will buy. It just needs to have excellent rules to go with the models. The clan specific sprue sounds good. If GW won't make the models someone else will just look at epic.
aracersss wrote: so much baseless bantering and little to none rumors out ... heck the thread even got a title swap ... how long before anything leaks out?
Every time someone complains about no rumours in this thread the Orks codex gets pushed back another week and we lose one of our new kits.
Automatically Appended Next Post: As for the AoS orks... does anyome else think they're not painted 50to be as green as they used to be? Like the older orks from the old photos on GW store are all a vibrant apple and lime green with very contrasting colours but the more updated the range gets the less green and the more faded they get. More like a celery stick green. Maybe this is why the new orks don't feel like ork! They're losing their deep green!
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lolman1c wrote: As for the AoS orks... does anyome else think they're not painted 50to be as green as they used to be? Like the older orks from the old photos on GW store are all a vibrant apple and lime green with very contrasting colours but the more updated the range gets the less green and the more faded they get. More like a celery stick green. Maybe this is why the new orks don't feel like ork! They're losing their deep green!
Yep - we've called the Maw-krusha a cabbage more than once.
aracersss wrote: so much baseless bantering and little to none rumors out ... heck the thread even got a title swap ... how long before anything leaks out?
Usually around your 60’s, but there are exercises one can do to strengthen the bowel muscles.
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lolman1c wrote: As for the AoS orks... does anyome else think they're not painted 50to be as green as they used to be? Like the older orks from the old photos on GW store are all a vibrant apple and lime green with very contrasting colours but the more updated the range gets the less green and the more faded they get. More like a celery stick green. Maybe this is why the new orks don't feel like ork! They're losing their deep green!
Yep - we've called the Maw-krusha a cabbage more than once.
well I did the analysis for you! Turns of you were correct:
I think the Iron Jawz faction from AoS looks pretty good, but there's something just a bit off that I have a hard time describing. I still think they look good, but not any better than Orks and there's something about some of their faces that seems weird.
Ironjawz have different proportions than older orcs. They have more upright posture and relatively smaller heads. They look more real and less cartoony. I really wish we would get new 40K ors with such proportions, IMHO, they look much better.
I agree IronJaws look fantastic. Im thinking of using some as Meganobs (with a little conversion work), and possibly picking up the megaboss depending on if we get a new Warboss/Ghazzy model or not
lolman1c wrote: Ah... the age old wasting an entire oage argueing among each other to do the one thing we were all complaining about and trying to stop... how easy we sway dakkadakka... how easy we sway....
Okay! I got a few rumours from untrustworthy sources we can discuss:
Did GW make the codex alongside the marine codex but have been putting it off for so long because they know it will get backlash and can't be bothered with it.
This is a genuine rumour i was sent that i didn't make up (this is not sarcasm, I'm being serious) that I personally do not believe. Prove me wrong or right!
Do you think GW cares about Ork player backlash?
Exsactly! I very much sales are impacted in anyway! If this was the case why did they bring out the nauts, stomoa and new flyer? Obviously sales were high enough to bring out these expensive kits.
Right nownon ebay btw, the bets I'm getting a NoS orks for is about £15 including post so at that point I'm already saving money going to my local game store and buying them for %15 off. The cheapest built is £8 and they're based weirdly and have problems so I, again, might aswell bulk buy for the %20 off from my local store.
I can find Ork boyz on Ebay for $18 for 10 easy enough, which works out to slightly less then 15 pounds. But if you want to play the bid wars game instead of Buy it now, I generally get mobz of 10 boyz for anywhere from $8 to $14 depending on quality and what not. All off sprue of course.
Also, the reason orkz are cheap on ebay is because so many ork players keep quitting the game because of frustration from lack of support from GW, Its been literally over a decade since we had a good codex. And then you throw in 7th editions treatment of the Ork faction quickly followed by 8th edition giving us an index where only 2 types of units are worth taking and everything else is garbage? yeah.
Even more common are the typical AOBR+other box set style armies all over ebay.
For 100-120€ you get
- AOBR warboss
- SAG mek or painboy (depending on which box was bought)
- 20-40 boyz
- 5-10 nobz
- 2-3 koptaz
- a trukk
- a battlewagon
- a deff dread or 3 kanz or both
- bikes or gretchin or lootas
- usually one or two additional boxes or characters
If I wasn't maxed out on most of these options, I would be buying them all day. If you can still use more battlewagons, kanz, koptas and nobz, hunt for these armies.
Damn I need to search more for whole armies.
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Hell no! Screw the Ironjaws design! The whole lore point is that Orks are crunched over! I know you guys want a grim dark teenage fulled universe but can't we keep at least some of what made the old stuff great? I mean I would argue the ridged squareness of an Ork (see my article for comparisons) is what makes then unique from the Fantasy Orcs and what makes them stand out. It's an industrial unnatural look that makes them look engineerd and tougher (like a miner in northern England always hunched over). Maybe it's an design only people in Northern England will understand which is what the Orks are often directly referencing (this is an English products after all).i know it's weird but people where I came from actually speek and look like the Orks... They're greta for amlaugh down ta pub but theyd rip yah ed off if yah ever got in scruff with um.
Actually that "engineered" look is because according to the sculptor, he base them on gorillas to make them appear less human.
If anything is natural, it's gorillas.
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7 Ork facts people always get wrong: Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other. A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot. Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests. Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books. Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor. Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers. Orks do not have the power of believe.
As I said, the look like the working class British ( like gorillas. We're not ashamed of it cus we have the strength to go along with it ) But the whole point is they're not natural! They look different from what we normally see yet familiar enough to instantly understand what they are. Whether this was by accident or on purpose the 40k orks are a very iconic staple of 40k and making them more round and natural would just be going backwards rather than forwars with design.
Never mind the fatc a new design would be horrible alongside all the previous models... but nothings stopping you from conversations from the orcs.
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Look how the 40k Ork has more emphasis on muscle gain, a pointed nose and sharper features.
It goes against the stuff you would normally see regrading fantasy orcs that have more rounder down turned noses with more emphasis on the size of the mouth.
These kind of upstanding fantasy orcs are what the AoS Orcs reference
So, by making orcs rounder and more natural you're just making them fantasy orcs in space.
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lolman1c wrote: As I said, the look like the working class British
I was recently in UK, I didn't see any people who looked like Orks...
But the whole point is they're not natural! They look different from what we normally see yet familiar enough to instantly understand what they are. Whether this was by accident or on purpose the 40k orks are a very iconic staple of 40k and making them more round and natural would just be going backwards rather than forwars with design.
They look awkward. And I don't mean the boxy armour, they can keep that, I talk about the basic physique.
Never mind the fatc a new design would be horrible alongside all the previous models... but nothings stopping you from conversations from the orcs.
Ironjwaz are nob-sized. If there was boy-sized orcs with similar proportions I would definitely convert a 40K force out of them.
lolman1c wrote: As I said, the look like the working class British
I was recently in UK, I didn't see any people who looked like Orks...
But the whole point is they're not natural! They look different from what we normally see yet familiar enough to instantly understand what they are. Whether this was by accident or on purpose the 40k orks are a very iconic staple of 40k and making them more round and natural would just be going backwards rather than forwars with design.
They look awkward. And I don't mean the boxy armour, they can keep that, I talk about the basic physique.
Never mind the fatc a new design would be horrible alongside all the previous models... but nothings stopping you from conversations from the orcs.
Ironjwaz are nob-sized. If there was boy-sized orcs with similar proportions I would definitely convert a 40K force out of them.
Where in the uk did you go? We don't all look the same...
This is all your opinion though like mine is all my opinion and I belive it doesn't look awkward and there is nothing you can say to co vert me and nothing I can say to convert you. I know I'm correct because I am correct in my mind.
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@ lolman1c - Short and broad, I'll give you - but I've been up here in the grim North aal my life, and I've never seen anyone looking like a boxy Ork . Hive citites though - now that I can relate to...
As for designs, I think I'd like to see 50:50 - the larger and more evolved an Ork gets, the more upright - almost like a fungus plant blooming... So your 'Ard Boys are slightly more upright than Boyz, Nobz more again and then by the time we get to a Warlord or Prime Ork it's a mountain of lethal, fluid and unstoppable muscle.
Id like to see more "action" poses too. Looking at a lot of the IronJaws models they look like theyre yelling with their weapons in the air and are about to strike or charge. Current 40k boyz and nobz look like theyre just standing around holding weapons.
Warpig1815 wrote: @ lolman1c - Short and broad, I'll give you - but I've been up here in the grim North aal my life, and I've never seen anyone looking like a boxy Ork . Hive citites though - now that I can relate to...
As for designs, I think I'd like to see 50:50 - the larger and more evolved an Ork gets, the more upright - almost like a fungus plant blooming... So your 'Ard Boys are slightly more upright than Boyz, Nobz more again and then by the time we get to a Warlord or Prime Ork it's a mountain of lethal, fluid and unstoppable muscle.
We're short broad and a bit ugly... we also have rectangular faces and we're always hunched. That's what I mean. It's why I got myself an Asian partner, the eldar of the human world... kinda romatic when you think an Ork got with an Eldar.
Warpig1815 wrote: @ lolman1c - Short and broad, I'll give you - but I've been up here in the grim North aal my life, and I've never seen anyone looking like a boxy Ork . Hive citites though - now that I can relate to...
As for designs, I think I'd like to see 50:50 - the larger and more evolved an Ork gets, the more upright - almost like a fungus plant blooming... So your 'Ard Boys are slightly more upright than Boyz, Nobz more again and then by the time we get to a Warlord or Prime Ork it's a mountain of lethal, fluid and unstoppable muscle.
We're short broad and a bit ugly... we also have rectangular faces and we're always hunched. That's what I mean. It's why I got myself an Asian partner, the eldar of the human world... kinda romatic when you think an Ork got with an Eldar.
Oi watch your mouth, there's a fair few of us northerners on here!
Warpig1815 wrote: @ lolman1c - Short and broad, I'll give you - but I've been up here in the grim North aal my life, and I've never seen anyone looking like a boxy Ork . Hive citites though - now that I can relate to...
As for designs, I think I'd like to see 50:50 - the larger and more evolved an Ork gets, the more upright - almost like a fungus plant blooming... So your 'Ard Boys are slightly more upright than Boyz, Nobz more again and then by the time we get to a Warlord or Prime Ork it's a mountain of lethal, fluid and unstoppable muscle.
We're short broad and a bit ugly... we also have rectangular faces and we're always hunched. That's what I mean. It's why I got myself an Asian partner, the eldar of the human world... kinda romatic when you think an Ork got with an Eldar.
Oi watch your mouth, there's a fair few of us northerners on here!
Hey, we cannot help it... a few hundred years down the mines and in the army has an affect on my family. XD but, I never said I didn't like the look of orks. Anyway, I'm proud to be an Ork and I'm proud to play Orks and I'm proud Orks look the way they do! And I'm proud to be a 25 year old man who is 5'5 when I'm hunched (and I'm always hunched) just like an ork!
Also, in retrospect now that I read it "get myself an Asian partner" sounds a little like I bought an Asian girl online. I'd just like to make it clear I didn't specifically go out and find a partner based in race and i didn't buy anyone. We met at university in a society and had a lot of common interests so started dating.
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Billagio wrote: Id like to see more "action" poses too. Looking at a lot of the IronJaws models they look like theyre yelling with their weapons in the air and are about to strike or charge. Current 40k boyz and nobz look like theyre just standing around holding weapons.
Kromlech's running and kneeling legs can help out a lot. I also have some "skyfire" shootas that point up, and some shootas that have their other hand not on the weapon.
I'm not a fan of Ironjawz stock. Mixing and matching can work though - Ironjawz heads on Boys bodies, Boys heads on Nob and Ironjawz bodies, Nob heads on Warboss bodies, all nudged just slightly up the torso, makes them look a whole lot more like the artwork in terms of proportions.
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Action poses would be cool. I don't like the idea of more upright orks, I like the hunched looked. Maybe I'm just too used to hunched 40k orks, but when I see some AoS models I wonder why the orc is bending over backwards and it looks unnatural to me.
Speaking of which, the Ironjawz 'Ard Boyz and Bonesplitterz Savage Orruks are pretty much as hunched as 40k orks, but they have their arms lifted up over their heads giving them a more stretched-out look. I don't own any Ironjawz Brutes so I can't compare the physical models, and for me this sort of thing is hard to tell from pictures.
That said, I don't think the AoS Ironjawz look bad mixed in with 40k orks. The differences aren't that big, and it is more the rounded look of the armor that looks out of place to me. That should be pretty easy to fix by mixing in 40k bits.
What's this Orks are northern nonsense, they've been Millwall fans from the very start, Orky speech is cockney wiv fangs! Their most famous special character is named after Thatcher, and after Armageddon is most known for trying to wipe out the miners on Golgotha!
Having purchased a few AOS Orc/Orruks the reason they are so off putting is because of their faces.
I don't know how to describe it perfectly but to me they have bat-like features that just don't fit with our good old fashioned 40k ladz who are much less angular. I'd say our lads are a lot more human looking with a fair bit of character while the AOS things are way more bestial and are either angry or insane. Not funny insane like our boys. Just plain bat gak.
There's a definite visual distinction between the two and though I love many of the AOS models, the faces I do not like.
lolman1c wrote: Also, in retrospect now that I read it "get myself an Asian partner" sounds a little like I bought an Asian girl online. I'd just like to make it clear I didn't specifically go out and find a partner based in race and i didn't buy anyone. We met at university in a society and had a lot of common interests so started dating.
Hentai, desu?
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Regarding the style differences - I don't think the problem stems so much from design choices AoS vs 40k. The main problem is that most of the ork boy sculpts are allready severely dated while GW has improved their modelling madskills a lot in the last couple years. The sculpt styles aren't so much one proportion vs the other as old&ugly vs new&shiny. Almost the entire ork infantry range needs an overhaul.
Tastyfish wrote: What's this Orks are northern nonsense, they've been Millwall fans from the very start, Orky speech is cockney wiv fangs! Their most famous special character is named after Thatcher, and after Armageddon is most known for trying to wipe out the miners on Golgotha!
Dwarfs are the northern ones.
You talking about Ghazgkhull because I thought that was an urban myth. Chambers came out and just said it was a random name he made up with his rp group but could be cus they told him to say that. Oh... the good old days where characters used to come from a palce of love and joy, had actual back story. And everyone playing understood British humour so we didn't have to burn half of it.
As for the Northern thing I might be tainted because people genuinely speak like orks in my area growing up but could be a mix of a bunch of working class diologue. My grandad used to miss half his words like an ork and cross over similar sounding letters...
No joke, I genuinely have real dwarfs in my family. Like the real genetic disorder that makes a few people in my family like 3' tall.
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An Actual Englishman wrote: Having purchased a few AOS Orc/Orruks the reason they are so off putting is because of their faces.
I don't know how to describe it perfectly but to me they have bat-like features that just don't fit with our good old fashioned 40k ladz who are much less angular. I'd say our lads are a lot more human looking with a fair bit of character while the AOS things are way more bestial and are either angry or insane. Not funny insane like our boys. Just plain bat gak.
There's a definite visual distinction between the two and though I love many of the AOS models, the faces I do not like.
lolman1c wrote: Also, in retrospect now that I read it "get myself an Asian partner" sounds a little like I bought an Asian girl online. I'd just like to make it clear I didn't specifically go out and find a partner based in race and i didn't buy anyone. We met at university in a society and had a lot of common interests so started dating.
Hentai, desu?
She's a great cook. also the reason why my flag right now shows the vietnamese flag... cus I'm in vietnam.
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Kosake wrote: Regarding the style differences - I don't think the problem stems so much from design choices AoS vs 40k. The main problem is that most of the ork boy sculpts are allready severely dated while GW has improved their modelling madskills a lot in the last couple years. The sculpt styles aren't so much one proportion vs the other as old&ugly vs new&shiny. Almost the entire ork infantry range needs an overhaul.
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Absolutely, 100% disagree. The Ork boy and Nob kit are probably two of my favorite kits for their versatility and unique character. I have the new SAG mek and while I have nothing objectively against it, it does seem more "square" compared to the previous model. I'd rather them, expecially since anything new would probably lack a lot of the extra bitz and be more static. This isn't universal of the whole range (warbuggies/Deff koptas are ugly as sin), but the infantry model I have little to complain about (outside of failcast)
) But the whole point is they're not natural! They look different from what we normally see yet familiar enough to instantly understand what they are. Whether this was by accident or on purpose the 
. Hive citites though - now that I can relate to...
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