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Never heard of that claim anywhere. GW put out "here's next two codexes" but didn't specify order anywhere. GW has so far in any of the codex batches specified codex order. It's always been seeing what starts to be teased for next.

 Eonfuzz wrote:
Calm your rustled jimmies.

Where's the conspiracy theory in my post? I flat out state I'm assuming Orks are getting a codex before GSC.

As a side note, I *do* remember seeing it mentioned somewhere that GW announced that the Ork codex was coming out before space wolves.

what it is it useally GW says "the next 2 codices are orks and space wolves" and what we typically HEAR is "Orks then space wolves" just for example

Yeah, I mean it could be alphabetical but I think it was a poor choice of word order. Especially with 40k fans who hunt for anything as a hint for the future.

They mentioned the Black Legion and Orks when talking about Vigilus. It might be interesting if we got a Black Legion vs Orks box. Probably won't happen, but it might be cool.

 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:
They mentioned the Black Legion and Orks when talking about Vigilus. It might be interesting if we got a Black Legion vs Orks box. Probably won't happen, but it might be cool.

seems to be reaching, my guess is they where named specificly to make the whole genestealer cult comes outta no where thing work.

Meh, I'm in acceptance mode. We will get a codex and nothing more. If anything I will be happy if I am wrong or happy i don't have to spend any more money.

As far as I am aware its always been SW before Orks.

And those new GSC look ugly. As in fyreslayer ugly. Not sure who came up with that bugmans glow/moot green colour scheme but its bad and they should feel bad.

Tyel wrote:
As far as I am aware its always been SW before Orks.

And those new GSC look ugly. As in fyreslayer ugly. Not sure who came up with that bugmans glow/moot green colour scheme but its bad and they should feel bad.

It was never officially stated which would be first. First real info on which comes first game with this announcement. Anything else was speculation.

Tyel wrote:
As far as I am aware its always been SW before Orks.

like others said it was not specifically stated who was 1st, just one picture of sw book to the left of the ork book, makes it look like the SW codex was 1st.

though i myself always figured they would do SW 1st. it imperium stuff, it usually gets priority, but also i assumed a "best for last" positive out look for orks (at least as far as those 2 codexs were concerned, i am fully aware that sisters were probably going to be last)

i was not so concerned with who would be next, but more concerned of "when are they going to tease anything!!!????"

but now that they have finally started to do SW stuff i expect ork stufff soon after.

 lolman1c wrote:
Meh, I'm in acceptance mode. We will get a codex and nothing more. If anything I will be happy if I am wrong or happy i don't have to spend any more money.

It's really strange but even though I've liked almost everything GW has done with the armies that did get pretty big releases for both 40k and AoS, the ork situation makes me worry about a new direction. I think I worry that orks might be some of the poorest sellers of the 40k line and GW might do something drastic to shake things up. Like Warhammer Fantasy Dwarfs to Kharadron Overlords levels of drastic change. And the irrational thing is that all the recent times they've done a change like that, I've actually liked it. Fyreslayers are pretty much the only thing that falls flat for me in terms of the major faction changes in AoS and that was quite a long while ago.

So in a way, I will be very happy with a codex that is just a fixed index with stratagems, relics and so forth. Like the tyranid or dark eldar codex or whatever. Maybe a new start collecting box where they put an actual warboss in there or something. Many armies, as their only release alongside their codex, just got a new start collecting box.

I like pretty much everything about the current orks in terms of models, background fiction, painting and the like. I'm not a tournament player so I don't actually care that the index is really weak. It just doesn't evoke the background fiction as well as the codex does for other armies. Once there are stratagems to push the big red button and clan rules and relics and stuff, I think the army will be where I want it.

Here's a thought. If orks get the AoS Bonesplitterz treatment we'll be amazing. And fairly OP for a while.

Looking at the shtuff from yesterdays teaser looks like SW's get dice cards and a codex and I guess a squad?
I'll be fine with Dice cards and a codex. that probably puts my spending in the $100.00 or less range. So the question is... Special Edition codex or no. I have spent next to nothing on this whole edition so far. Might be worth it for a special edition, I expect there will be one, for all the extra bitz. what ever they might be.

Orks might be the perfect army for a special edition codex. If people have a budget and they already have most of the model lien, why not sell them a really nice full art cover and nice dice? A new Start Collecting or something to bundle along with the new codex can be sold to those who are new or returning to Orks.

I do fully admit that my nervousness about an ork revamp like fyreslayers is probably unwarranted. I like every revamp they've done except Fyreslayers. Bonesplitterz is actually a pretty cool way to do the Savage Orc side of WHFB in AoS.

 frozenwastes wrote:
Orks might be the perfect army for a special edition codex. If people have a budget and they already have most of the model lien, why not sell them a really nice full art cover and nice dice? A new Start Collecting or something to bundle along with the new codex can be sold to those who are new or returning to Orks.

I do fully admit that my nervousness about an ork revamp like fyreslayers is probably unwarranted. I like every revamp they've done except Fyreslayers. Bonesplitterz is actually a pretty cool way to do the Savage Orc side of WHFB in AoS.

what I mean about the Bonesplitterz is they had these models that needed something to make them sell. That army book was really good for a long time, seems to me. I kept reading about how OP they were while I was building and painting my army. And even with out the strongest battalions they played really well. I didn't fool around with a battalion until after my first 20 games as I was just still learning the rules and didn't get to play frequently. If they weren't their own army I wouldn't have started AoS at all. If Orks get a little of that sprinkled on we should be happy for quite a while.
I bought the deluxe GHB for the new edition of AoS just to get all of the extra bitz which were all useful, I think it was worth the money for all of that extra loot.

Bring on the deluxe codex with extra loot!

Nah, I still stand by the argument that we don't need any new footslogging orks. Maybe a new model for the fine cast but that's as far as I willmgo right now... i'm too nervous about what gw will do.

I agree that no new footslogger units are needed. And that's not what Bonesplitterz did for the Savage Orcs of fantasy for AoS. It provided rules for the 10 different units in the line that already existed. By having extra options like a spell lore for the waaagh, powerful batallion abilities and artefacts, it made what would have otherwise been a dead range of models into a mainstay of the destruction grand alliance ranges.

The upper power level was that of a tournament mainstay army, so even if you didn't build that kind of combination of abilities, you still had lots of cool stuff to choose from that wasn't bad and actually felt like a bunch of primitive orcs doing their thing.

Basically there's not reason why the new codex won't do that for 40k. There's a chance Orks end up on the Grey Knights part of the spectrum though.

Yeah, I don't need any new Ork models, not even Trakks or Buggies - I can build them easy enough out of Trukks and other parts.

I just want good, fun, useful rules for the units I already have. Make Orks exciting again!!

 Oguhmek wrote:
Yeah, I don't need any new Ork models, not even Trakks or Buggies - I can build them easy enough out of Trukks and other parts.

I just want good, fun, useful rules for the units I already have. Make Orks exciting again!!

This, thought I think we really need plastic HQ kits.... As it stands I cant walk into GW and buy an HQ.....

 Billagio wrote:

 Oguhmek wrote:
Yeah, I don't need any new Ork models, not even Trakks or Buggies - I can build them easy enough out of Trukks and other parts.

I just want good, fun, useful rules for the units I already have. Make Orks exciting again!!

This, thought I think we really need plastic HQ kits.... As it stands I cant walk into GW and buy an HQ.....

True, although I already have all the AoBR Warbosses I will ever need, plus a couple of Grukks (and a AoS Meganob), but it is good for the regrowth - when little Timmy (correctly) decides that Orks are way cooler than Space Marines, it's bad if there is no big, stompy Warboss for him to put on his Chrismas wishlist.

The problem is that AoS orcs are not Orks. They have the same skin colour but they're different in design. Orcs have a very fantasy rounded look while Orks have a very squarish pointy sci fi look. There are a few good comparisons online going into the detail of the models. But just google fantasy orcs and you will see what i mean by rounded style.

This is why i want official models. AoS conversions are nice and all but I want a true mega boss! A scrap heap of weapons and pointy ears with a mouth with more teeth than you can count!


Here is a quick example:





So while it wouldbbe okay for feral orks it isn't true to the old classic style

 lolman1c wrote:
The problem is that AoS orcs are not Orks. They have the same skin colour but they're different in design. Orcs have a very fantasy rounded look while Orks have a very squarish pointy sci fi look. There are a few good comparisons online going into the detail of the models. But just google fantasy orcs and you will see what i mean by rounded style.

This is why i want official models. AoS conversions are nice and all but I want a true mega boss! A scrap heap of weapons and pointy ears with a mouth with more teeth than you can count!

So while it would be okay for feral orks it isn't true to the old classic style

I agree.
The reason I brought up the AoS Bonesplitters wasn't that I want feral Orks or to use those models but as an example of rule that are good helping to sell old or out of place models. That range has an infantry box with 20 models, a mounted unit box with 10 model and 4 character models in total, unless I am forgetting something. They turned that into 2 mounted units and 4 units on foot along with those heroes. It's a small army list but it all packs a punch and some of it is ridiculously good. Granted from then till now they have had a few points adjustments to balance them. They also have 8 or 9 spells and how ever many that are universal.
If those madboys over at GW set us up like that we will have a fat codex.

Also Orks were mentioned today in the tooth and claw fluff. Seems a pesky Ork WAAAGH forced the local GSC to spring into action before they were ready. They mentioned Orks deciding to have insane death raced in the wastelands too.. "If your not first your last !"

I know, I just wouldn't putnit past gw to go "here, you can use this AoS model with a new weapon... problem solved!"

Get on the hype train boyz

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/762091.page#10107071

 Billagio wrote:
Get on the hype train boyz

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/762091.page#10107071

CHOOO CHOOOOOOO!

I know it's dangerous to get hyped up over rumors, but I can't help it I am excited!

Remember kids: Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.

I'm the most hyped I've been since 8th dropped. Previously it was when the Craftworld codex dropped as my mate plays them. I really hope the models are for 40k, that's my only real concern as to their validity.

The Ork community will lose their minds I think if this turns out to be legit and for 40k. I know I will.

I dunno, something about that reads "Chinese Bootleg" to me. Something about the art style just doesn't seem very "GW", and does GW have a history or Japan only box sets? I'm not going to believe it's real until I either see something more conclusive or GW themselves announce it.

could be Orks are getting a new vehicle and this box set is the "buy two, some terrain and get some rules" pack they sometimes do.

 Vitali Advenil wrote:
I dunno, something about that reads "Chinese Bootleg" to me. Something about the art style just doesn't seem very "GW", and does GW have a history or Japan only box sets? I'm not going to believe it's real until I either see something more conclusive or GW themselves announce it.

GW does make some Japan-only products.

Why the hell would this be chinese only though... would be a huge kick in the face to finally bring out new ork models but china of all places are the only country to get it. Surprisingly though orks are popular here in vietnam. Especially with women. XD it's unusual but a lot of female gamers play Orks here.