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 AduroT wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
Final trailer is here. We see some new stuff in this one, including the Ocean Master helmet.

It’s just so colorful!

Part of why I am interested in Aquaman is not ever part of the movie is in a dark and gloomy landscape, or at night.

 AduroT wrote:
You think Nolan’s Batman was worse than Aflec’s Murder Hobo?

100% worse than Aflec.

 Mysterio wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
served as a bridge between the bad old films (Nolans trilogy, Man of Steel,Bats vs Sups) and far superior films - Wonder Woman, Justice League and if the film lives up to the trailers - Aquaman.

Are you saying with a straight face you think Justice League was a better movie than the Nolan Batman movies?

I don't think they meet Morden's "Hawt Chix" requirement...

Nope - or in fact any real female characters - Nolan never bothers in his films - he either can't or won't write them.

The Nolan Batman is a massively lazy creation, is no detective, usual nonsense of White guy goes to Asia and becomes a super ninja much better than all those asian guys - poor chumps.

Scarecrow is done well - in direct opposiiton to the the Rhas aGhul character who is luaghably bad.

And then it goes downhill in quality in Film 2. I decided not to waste time or money on film 3.

New Angry Batman is far far better than Nolan's - but then he never wanted to make a Superhero film. Strange really as he struggles wth creating anything more than pretty visuals - see inception. All flash and no substance.

New Aquaman looks like great fun and looking forward to it - oh and it has female characters - at least one of whom is also hot but either is beyond or beneath the interest of Nolan.

YOMD.

why underwater people have such fantastic hair ? (its only of my pet 'merfolk' peeves along with how lack of fire would leave them at stoneage tech levels)

looks fun but not cinema excursion fun

Voss wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
Final trailer is here. We see some new stuff in this one, including the Ocean Master helmet.

Yeesh. Yet more 'stuff' to pack into a film that already looks like it's going to have a groan-worthy running time.
Either that or the movie is going to run straight for the trident while jamming in all those freaking flashbacks back-to-back, then jump to the giant CGI battle with no context.

Weird but neat Highlander homage in that beach training scene.

2:23. Not too bad for a film with a decent amount of world building to do.

And if Infinity War can handle a cast of thousands, I’m pretty sure Aquaman can handle a main adversary and a secondary villain (who is probably out for both Arthur and Orm, and being set up for a main villain role in a sequel). Think you’re being a little dire here over nothing much. James Wan is a good filmmaker...I don’t know if this is going to be a transcendent film or just a solid one or something in between, but he’ll get a good product into the theaters. He had creative control of this one.

 gorgon wrote:

Voss wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
Final trailer is here. We see some new stuff in this one, including the Ocean Master helmet.

Yeesh. Yet more 'stuff' to pack into a film that already looks like it's going to have a groan-worthy running time.
Either that or the movie is going to run straight for the trident while jamming in all those freaking flashbacks back-to-back, then jump to the giant CGI battle with no context.

Weird but neat Highlander homage in that beach training scene.

2:23. Not too bad for a film with a decent amount of world building to do.

And if Infinity War can handle a cast of thousands, I’m pretty sure Aquaman can handle a main adversary and a secondary villain (who is probably out for both Arthur and Orm, and being set up for a main villain role in a sequel). Think you’re being a little dire here over nothing much. James Wan is a good filmmaker...I don’t know if this is going to be a transcendent film or just a solid one or something in between, but he’ll get a good product into the theaters. He had creative control of this one.

Does loook great

So is the guy with the trident in the hologram Poisidon - hence his trident?

 Turnip Jedi wrote:
why underwater people have such fantastic hair ? (its only of my pet 'merfolk' peeves along with how lack of fire would leave them at stoneage tech levels)

looks fun but not cinema excursion fun

It's not a great answer, but in most instances where "Atlantis goes to war" we usually get to see fish-smiths forging weapons over underwater volcanoes.

 gorgon wrote:

Voss wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
Final trailer is here. We see some new stuff in this one, including the Ocean Master helmet.

Yeesh. Yet more 'stuff' to pack into a film that already looks like it's going to have a groan-worthy running time.
Either that or the movie is going to run straight for the trident while jamming in all those freaking flashbacks back-to-back, then jump to the giant CGI battle with no context.

Weird but neat Highlander homage in that beach training scene.

2:23. Not too bad for a film with a decent amount of world building to do.

And if Infinity War can handle a cast of thousands, I’m pretty sure Aquaman can handle a main adversary and a secondary villain (who is probably out for both Arthur and Orm, and being set up for a main villain role in a sequel). Think you’re being a little dire here over nothing much. James Wan is a good filmmaker...I don’t know if this is going to be a transcendent film or just a solid one or something in between, but he’ll get a good product into the theaters. He had creative control of this one.

The name means little to me, the amount of elements being jammed into 2 hours 23 minutes means a lot,

For example, it's not just handling a general overview of his childhood, but specifically dealing with:
1- how mummy and daddy met,
2- how mummy dies (or fights off assassins before dying, which we see despite AC not being there for that)
3- his rebellious teenage years on the surface,
4- his teenage training years and creepy uncle teaching him his heritage under the water.

If it's done well, those will be well timed flashbacks or the first half hour more or less on the dot. If it isn't done well, it can drag on for half the bloody film.

Then we've got an extended desert arc, with hiking, puzzles, divine exposition drops and sudden villain extended chase scene.

Then (hopefully finally) we've got undersea politics, army prepping, extended cgi armies fighting, giant leviathan 'surprise' and political and film resolution.

Plus an early submarine scene to establish an introduction to plot and general 'reluctant' heroics. Plus whatever filler, which includes introductions for at least 4-5 other characters and a their relevant exposition (beyond the dead/absent parents)

That's honestly a lot for that run time. Especially if there is even more present that isn't in the trailers already.


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And honestly, IW didn't do a cast of thousands. It did a cast of about a dozen to twenty, with other characters standing in the background dropping one-liners.

Justice League Throne of Atlantis did it all in 72 minutes.




And this film doesn't even have the Justice League in it to bloat the cast.

 Mr Morden wrote:


So is the guy with the trident in the hologram Poisidon - hence his trident?

That's a good guess, and would be a nice connection to Wonder Woman too.

Voss wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

Voss wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
Final trailer is here. We see some new stuff in this one, including the Ocean Master helmet.

Yeesh. Yet more 'stuff' to pack into a film that already looks like it's going to have a groan-worthy running time.
Either that or the movie is going to run straight for the trident while jamming in all those freaking flashbacks back-to-back, then jump to the giant CGI battle with no context.

Weird but neat Highlander homage in that beach training scene.

2:23. Not too bad for a film with a decent amount of world building to do.

And if Infinity War can handle a cast of thousands, I’m pretty sure Aquaman can handle a main adversary and a secondary villain (who is probably out for both Arthur and Orm, and being set up for a main villain role in a sequel). Think you’re being a little dire here over nothing much. James Wan is a good filmmaker...I don’t know if this is going to be a transcendent film or just a solid one or something in between, but he’ll get a good product into the theaters. He had creative control of this one.

The name means little to me, the amount of elements being jammed into 2 hours 23 minutes means a lot,

Spoiler:

For example, it's not just handling a general overview of his childhood, but specifically dealing with:
1- how mummy and daddy met,
2- how mummy dies (or fights off assassins before dying, which we see despite AC not being there for that)
3- his rebellious teenage years on the surface,
4- his teenage training years and creepy uncle teaching him his heritage under the water.

If it's done well, those will be well timed flashbacks or the first half hour more or less on the dot. If it isn't done well, it can drag on for half the bloody film.

Then we've got an extended desert arc, with hiking, puzzles, divine exposition drops and sudden villain extended chase scene.

Then (hopefully finally) we've got undersea politics, army prepping, extended cgi armies fighting, giant leviathan 'surprise' and political and film resolution.

Plus an early submarine scene to establish an introduction to plot and general 'reluctant' heroics. Plus whatever filler, which includes introductions for at least 4-5 other characters and a their relevant exposition (beyond the dead/absent parents)

That's honestly a lot for that run time. Especially if there is even more present that isn't in the trailers already.


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And honestly, IW didn't do a cast of thousands. It did a cast of about a dozen to twenty, with other characters standing in the background dropping one-liners.

Whoops - sorry - I should have been more clear - I think it is Poseidon's Trident that Arthur is after - as that would be a nice upgrade over his...other one!

The critics they say (wait for it, this is a DC movie)….

FUN!

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/dcs-aquaman-movie-reviews-read-critics-first-react/1100-6463472/?utm_source=gamefaqs&utm_medium=partner&utm_content=news_module&utm_campaign=homepage

yup we seem to have a welcome break from the pattern of ambitious and dull or just WTF am I watching?.

As marvel has shown making fun the first thing to strike for other stuff can fall into place later, hopefully this is a turning point for the DC-verse

Yeah, the common keywords from critics seem to be 'fun', 'big', and 'creative'.

Like I said before, James Wan is a good filmmaker who will get a good product into theaters. It's probably no Citizen Kane, but it sounds like it doesn't want or try to be that.

WB needs to stack a few good solid well-received films, and it sounds like Aquaman will be a great start. It'll be a really hard opening weekend to do boffo box office, but the Xmas season may give it some good legs.

 gorgon wrote:
Yeah, the common keywords from critics seem to be 'fun', 'big', and 'creative'.

Like I said before, James Wan is a good filmmaker who will get a good product into theaters. It's probably no Citizen Kane, but it sounds like it doesn't want or try to be that.

WB needs to stack a few good solid well-received films, and it sounds like Aquaman will be a great start. It'll be a really hard opening weekend to do boffo box office, but the Xmas season may give it some good legs.

Looking forward to seeing it No interest in what critics have to say.

Now watch Lex Luthor is in it somewhere...

I kinda hope the post-credits scene is a 60 second extreme closeup of Jesse Eisenberg just to make Morden convulse and foam at the mouth.

 gorgon wrote:
I kinda hope the post-credits scene is a 60 second extreme closeup of Jesse Eisenberg just to make Morden convulse and foam at the mouth.

Thats harsh but yeah that would tick me off. Unless of course its his head on a stick - now that would be glorious,

 gorgon wrote:
I kinda hope the post-credits scene is a 60 second extreme closeup of Jesse Eisenberg just to make Morden convulse and foam at the mouth.

Even better!

Lex is, in this Brave New New DC Film Universe, a Morden Approved Hawt Chik, but...she's channeling Eisenberg for her performance!

Now that would be something to see - if you could see Morden watch that.

He wouldn't be able to stand up, but his...head would explode?



Looking forward to seeing Aquaman now - even more than before!

Aquaman does look like a cool adventure romp about a guy becoming a big damn hero, rather than a chronicle of the main character(s) tormented soul through pain and loss.

I kinda think that Aquaman might be becoming DC movie-realm's Thor.

 Mysterio wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
I kinda hope the post-credits scene is a 60 second extreme closeup of Jesse Eisenberg just to make Morden convulse and foam at the mouth.

Even better!

Lex is, in this Brave New New DC Film Universe, a Morden Approved Hawt Chik, but...she's channeling Eisenberg for her performance!

Now that would be something to see - if you could see Morden watch that.

He wouldn't be able to stand up, but his...head would explode?



Looking forward to seeing Aquaman now - even more than before!

It does look good - great fun even.

re Hawt girl is that Nicole from Wynonna Earyp (oh and Discovery) cos happy with that, luckily I don't know if any actress could act that badly

They would have to motion capture his stupid monkey like capering and dub his whiny pathetic voice as well as spend a lot of time writing him Dumb Dumb DaDumb. Seems like a lot of work.

I’m going to wager that the end credits is Lex recruiting Manta into his Legion of Doom.

 AduroT wrote:
I’m going to wager that the end credits is Lex recruiting Manta into his Legion of Doom.

That was my thought as well.

I would've agreed a few months ago, but WB/DC seem to be distancing themselves from all of that.

I'd love for it to be true - and I'd LOVE for there to actually be a surprise Cavill/Superman cameo in Shazam, but...

 Just Tony wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
I’m going to wager that the end credits is Lex recruiting Manta into his Legion of Doom.

That was my thought as well.

Supposedly the Legion of Doom post-credit thing is kaput. I'm not sure it makes much sense anyway in a franchise that probably won't have another JL film for years, if ever.

I think these films are going to be almost completely standalone for while. It's really hard to have a DCU when Superman and Batman are probably headed for a full reboot. And if more standalone franchises is what it takes to get more good DC films...I say so be it. *shrug*


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 Mysterio wrote:
I would've agreed a few months ago, but WB/DC seem to be distancing themselves from all of that.

I'd love for it to be true - and I'd LOVE for there to actually be a surprise Cavill/Superman cameo in Shazam, but...

The Cavill situation is really frustrating. I think WB is better off with Cavill as Superman. And I think Cavill is better off with the Superman role in his repertoire.

BUT...apparently Cavill is asking for a lot, and I can see why WB would be wary of backing up the Brinks truck. His Superman films underperformed at the BO. I can see how it's not Cavill's fault, but I can also see why WB is wary about lingering negativity that could be attached to the guy. And it's not like a good Superman movie can't be made without Henry Cavill.

Hopefully what will happen is that Aquaman will alleviate lingering doubts about Snyderverse survivors, and both sides bend a little, leading to a really good, true sequel to Man of Steel. But I suspect WB is just going to let Cavill's contract run out, and reboot Superman down the road.

Given that one of the only 'good' things to be universally (Ha!) recognized out of Justice League was Cavill's 'new' approach to Superman, and given the early good buzz on Aquaman, I'm still holding out hope for something to happen with him and WB.

Because, like you, I really want a Cavill lead sequel to MoS!

 Mysterio wrote:
Given that one of the only 'good' things to be universally (Ha!) recognized out of Justice League was Cavill's 'new' approach to Superman, and given the early good buzz on Aquaman, I'm still holding out hope for something to happen with him and WB.

Because, like you, I really want a Cavill lead sequel to MoS!

Not up to date on this - what actors are still in contract and could appear in a cameo / post credits? Is Ben A def gone?

 Mysterio wrote:
Given that one of the only 'good' things to be universally (Ha!) recognized out of Justice League was Cavill's 'new' approach to Superman, and given the early good buzz on Aquaman, I'm still holding out hope for something to happen with him and WB.

Because, like you, I really want a Cavill lead sequel to MoS!

Per the rumormongers I read/listen to, early this year WB was ready to go all in on Superman after JL, and even make him the thread that holds the new, Snyderless DCU together. The Shazam cameo would probably have been one of a few before the new SM film arrived.

Then the contract thing happened (Cavill only has one film left on his deal, and the studio understandably isn't going to roll him out as Superman again without having him locked up long term) and everything crumbled. The new head of the DC film franchise (Walter Hamada) doesn't seem to be the type to mess around, so the studio seems to be moving on.

@Morden: Everyone assumed Affleck to be gone a long time ago. But per one reporter, he recently warmed up to the idea of suiting up again, maybe in a bookend sequence in the next firm (Old Bruce telling a story from his early days as Batman kind of thing). But the director of the new film (Reeves, who has creative control) said no. I think that might have been cool, but I can also understand why the director would pass.

Damn, WB needs to stay the hell away from the Reset Button. Just salvage what you got, make the next JL movie good (Not that I thought the last one was bad, I think it's just the "in" thing to bag on anything DCU) and build the franchise.

Well, it opened really strong in China.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/box-office-aquaman-swims-record-94m-china-1167802

Also apparently had positive audience reviews there. Think we'll get full reviews from critics this week.