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It looks pretty impressive visually (so, not like a DC movie), but looks like it has far, far too many elements.
Origin story
Rival king backstory
Find the MacGuffin
Fight the Named Comic Villain (Black Manta?)
Awed by Atlantis tourism scene
Big battle scene for whichever war
Personal combat for kingship
Possibly giant monster attack (summoned by MacGuffin/ or part of battle scene)
Some of these are likely connected but that's going to be a really tightly packed 2 hours or so, to the point that the constant CGI spectacle is going to get boring.
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Voss wrote: It looks pretty impressive visually (so, not like a DC movie), but looks like it has far, far too many elements.
Origin story
Rival king backstory
Find the MacGuffin
Fight the Named Comic Villain (Black Manta?)
Awed by Atlantis tourism scene
Big battle scene for whichever war
Personal combat for kingship
Possibly giant monster attack (summoned by MacGuffin/ or part of battle scene)
Some of these are likely connected but that's going to be a really tightly packed 2 hours or so, to the point that the constant CGI spectacle is going to get boring.
Yup, so much this. I just have very little faith in the DC movies at this point, and Wan's previous stuff hasn't really done too much for me either. Saw, Insidious, and The Conjuring were passable at best. Different genre I know, but nevertheless does little to inspire confidence.
creeping-deth87 wrote: Saw, Insidious, and The Conjuring were passable at best. Different genre I know, but nevertheless does little to inspire confidence.
Insidious(1) lost me at the very end when the main character did something nonsensical to (potentially) set up a sequel. I wasn't too interested in the sequels after that.
But Wan seems to know what he's doing. IIRC, the Conjuring universe films have made nearly $1.5 billion on maybe $100 million total budget. They weren't all directed by him, but evidence suggests that as a director and/or producer, he knows how to make a crowdpleasing film. The challenge for Aquaman is that it's opening the same weekend as Bumblebee and Mary Poppins AND a PG-13 version of Deadpool. So far, none of the studios involved have blinked. But someone almost has to...it seems like box office mass suicide.
Also...it's a little silly to dissect issues with the screenplay before any of us have actually seen the film. I think the "new" stuff in that trailer was already shown at SDCC. They've kept more under wraps than we think.
Voss wrote: It looks pretty impressive visually (so, not like a DC movie), but looks like it has far, far too many elements.
Origin story
Rival king backstory
Find the MacGuffin
Fight the Named Comic Villain (Black Manta?)
Awed by Atlantis tourism scene
Big battle scene for whichever war
Personal combat for kingship
Possibly giant monster attack (summoned by MacGuffin/ or part of battle scene)
Some of these are likely connected but that's going to be a really tightly packed 2 hours or so, to the point that the constant CGI spectacle is going to get boring.
Two villains is worrying. I don't have a TON of faith in this one, but its worth noting that while Manta deserves better, he'd not be terrible serving as a henchman under Ocean Master. He's pretty silent in most of his appearances so having him show up to lead an attack or something but not really be a character in the film might work. Particularly true if he gets away to serve as the main antagonist of a sequel.
I've never really been a fan of Aquaman but I will admit, this trailer has really grabbed me. My only issue is that Patrick Wilson looks like a discount Eminem. Other than that, I can't wait to see more.
Between this and the Shazam trailer, DC might actually be getting back on track
Ok the new trailer looks fantastic - should be a great fun film.
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creeping-deth87 wrote: Saw, Insidious, and The Conjuring were passable at best. Different genre I know, but nevertheless does little to inspire confidence.
Insidious(1) lost me at the very end when the main character did something nonsensical to (potentially) set up a sequel. I wasn't too interested in the sequels after that.
But Wan seems to know what he's doing. IIRC, the Conjuring universe films have made nearly $1.5 billion on maybe $100 million total budget. They weren't all directed by him, but evidence suggests that as a director and/or producer, he knows how to make a crowdpleasing film. The challenge for Aquaman is that it's opening the same weekend as Bumblebee and Mary Poppins AND a PG-13 version of Deadpool. So far, none of the studios involved have blinked. But someone almost has to...it seems like box office mass suicide.
Also...it's a little silly to dissect issues with the screenplay before any of us have actually seen the film. I think the "new" stuff in that trailer was already shown at SDCC. They've kept more under wraps than we think.
Especially as a lot of worrisome things on that list that appears to be too full can be rather speedily accomplished together in a few flashback/background scenes.
I think too that since this film isn't going to suffer from having to go through (x) number of directors/committees/etc. will help a lot too.
Hopefully this step 1 (or 1A) on the road to DC finally getting back on track.
Ahtman wrote: It is a 5+ minute extended trailer so not really surprised there are extended scenes shown, though that certainly wasn't all of chase.
You mean there's going to be even more of that to make 'get on with it' gestures to? What was shown seemed more than sufficient as is.
Maybe for you - looked entertaining to me - its not like it was a dull, stupid and ultimately pointless chase like some films I could mention.
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This movie will be for Idoneth Deepkin players what Mad Max Fury Road was for Ork players. Lots of potential inspiration there.
After seeing that last trailer, I'm even more pumped for this movie. As a non-comic book reader, I have no real prior expectations, but the movie looks like a visual feast for sure, which is awesome!
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Ahtman wrote: It is a 5+ minute extended trailer so not really surprised there are extended scenes shown, though that certainly wasn't all of chase.
You mean there's going to be even more of that to make 'get on with it' gestures to? What was shown seemed more than sufficient as is.
Maybe for you - looked entertaining to me - its not like it was a dull, stupid and ultimately pointless chase like some films I could mention.
Really? It came across that way. Why are they running? Why not just turn around and punch him in the face? Or whip water powers out and choke some minions? We already know she has those, and that she can rip water from their bodies if need be.
Chase scenes need to feel necessary: Jason Bourne running from 20+ cops. Aquaman and Water Sorceress running from the guy he regularly gets into fights with (and who the audience will want to see him fight) seems entirely pointless.
Shark riding people vs. Seahorse riding people...?
I know who my money would be on, lol.
Looks like worth a trip to the Bay but I won't shell out cash for this silly looking film. I liked DoJ but I don't know if AqM can carry his own movie.
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Ahtman wrote: It is a 5+ minute extended trailer so not really surprised there are extended scenes shown, though that certainly wasn't all of chase.
You mean there's going to be even more of that to make 'get on with it' gestures to? What was shown seemed more than sufficient as is.
Maybe for you - looked entertaining to me - its not like it was a dull, stupid and ultimately pointless chase like some films I could mention.
Really? It came across that way. Why are they running? Why not just turn around and punch him in the face? Or whip water powers out and choke some minions? We already know she has those, and that she can rip water from their bodies if need be.
Chase scenes need to feel necessary: Jason Bourne running from 20+ cops. Aquaman and Water Sorceress running from the guy he regularly gets into fights with (and who the audience will want to see him fight) seems entirely pointless.
It’s almost like we haven’t seen the whole movie yet and have no context for why that scene is occurring.
I think the fact that we saw one of those guys chuck Aquaman around like yesterday's fish supper wrapper, and the ones chasing the redhead just run through the walls, is enough to suggest they might be quite tough.
Is this still a teaser? That would explain why I've got no idea what's going on. It's just about good enough to make me want to see the film to find out, though.
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Just from the looks of the bad guys I'm guessing it's Atlantis versus some sort of renegade "evil" kingdom trying to take over, as all their stuff is like a twisted version of Atlantis tech. aquaman probably wins the ascension duel, and so the other guy enlists the help of the bad guys to help him take power.
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Is he the long-lost "true heir" to the throne? Presumably his mum was a princess who fancied a bit of rough in a lighthouse.
Were there two Atlantises? The mythic one that somehow ended up in the Sahara, and the real one under the sea? or is that Indiana Jones-esque ruin just a lost outpost? (also, if that dates back to when the Sahara was green, we're looking at some point between 6000 BC (when the increased rainfall due to the retreating ice sheets ended) and 4,000 BC when the Sahara reached its current state.)
AegisGrimm wrote: Just from the looks of the bad guys I'm guessing it's Atlantis versus some sort of renegade "evil" kingdom trying to take over, as all their stuff is like a twisted version of Atlantis tech. aquaman probably wins the ascension duel, and so the other guy enlists the help of the bad guys to help him take power.
Is he the long-lost "true heir" to the throne? Presumably his mum was a princess who fancied a bit of rough in a lighthouse.
Were there two Atlantises? The mythic one that somehow ended up in the Sahara, and the real one under the sea? or is that Indiana Jones-esque ruin just a lost outpost? (also, if that dates back to when the Sahara was green, we're looking at some point between 6000 BC (when the increased rainfall due to the retreating ice sheets ended) and 4,000 BC when the Sahara reached its current state.)
The trailer looks very similar to the New 52 arc of Aquaman. Generally speaking, in the comics...
Spoiler:
Aquaman is the true heir of Atlantis. His mother, the queen fell in love with a lighthouse keeper and left their child with him in the hopes that he would learn to understand the land and help bring Atlantis into the wider world. She was later forced to marry a true Atlantean and had a second child Orm, who takes the throne and seeks to wage war against the surface for their abuse of the oceans.
Specific to the New 52 arc. This is probably REALLY spoilery given all these characters have been cast for the film and lines up with much of what we've seen in the trailers.:
Spoiler:
An Atlantean named Vulko comes to Arthur to inform him that Orm has hired Black Manta to recover 7 Atlantean artifacts to attack the surface. While Aquaman tries to stop him, a Navy missile malfunction attacks Atlantis directly, after which Orm invades the land in retaliation. Arthur ends up having to fight his brother for the throne, upon which its revealed that Orm had exiled Vulko who then hired Manta to recover the relics and sabotage the missiles to provoke the conflict and reinstate Aquaman as king.
I've not seen the 5m trailer because it feels too much for the film. But my gut instinct says that it feels like it's going to be Justice League Throne of Atlantis but just without the justice League
Looking good.. I just watched Justice League the other night finally and enjoyed it. Seems like folks generally don't like the DC movies as much as Marvel, but I like em. Never was much of an Aquaman fan but this guy does a good job.
Necros wrote: Looking good.. I just watched Justice League the other night finally and enjoyed it. Seems like folks generally don't like the DC movies as much as Marvel, but I like em. Never was much of an Aquaman fan but this guy does a good job.
I dont know what people dislike in JL - yeah its not all dull and doom and rain but rather fun, slick and enjoyabe like a Marvel movie.
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"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
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