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One thing that bothers me a bit in the film is how little Aquaman actually does. There were many points where I thought the film should have been called Princess Mira and the Aquaman.
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Formosa wrote: Aquaman by far, it didnt try and beat you over the head with its message or try to claim such a regressive nation like wakanda was somehow able to even work, Aquaman just went "underwater superpower.... go with it"
Ah yes, the “hidden underwater technologically advanced nation” is so much more believable than the “hidden African technologically advanced nation” when you are a… what's the name for “people who don't like regressive nations again?
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Formosa wrote: Aquaman by far, it didnt try and beat you over the head with its message or try to claim such a regressive nation like wakanda was somehow able to even work, Aquaman just went "underwater superpower.... go with it"
Ah yes, the “hidden underwater technologically advanced nation” is so much more believable than the “hidden African technologically advanced nation” when you are a… what's the name for “people who don't like regressive nations again?
Pause that. The hidden advanced African nation was only advanced because of vibranium (which IMO is problematic and poorly thought out). I think they're ultimately equally absurd and both are actually based on myths.
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My main problem with Black Panther was about how they could have managed the manufacturing capacity to have everything they had. Atlantis can do more handwaving because the DC universe is much more (overtly) mythically supernatural.
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AegisGrimm wrote: My main problem with Black Panther was about how they could have managed the manufacturing capacity to have everything they had. Atlantis can do more handwaving because the DC universe is much more (overtly) mythically supernatural.
AegisGrimm wrote: My main problem with Black Panther was about how they could have managed the manufacturing capacity to have everything they had. Atlantis can do more handwaving because the DC universe is much more (overtly) mythically supernatural.
Vibranium.
Yup. Magical super metal that can be used to do all kinds of gak. Besides obviously having them send people out into the world to pretend to be people from other nations, spy, and collect their technology. Vibranium allows them to advance farther and build on the ideas of the rest of the world without their material limitations.
You need certain metals to make a computer? Nope Vibranium. You need x,y,z for the best armor? Nope, vibranium.
It's a comic metal. It's all stupid all the time with comic metals.
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AegisGrimm wrote: My main problem with Black Panther was about how they could have managed the manufacturing capacity to have everything they had. Atlantis can do more handwaving because the DC universe is much more (overtly) mythically supernatural.
Vibranium.
Yup. Magical super metal that can be used to do all kinds of gak. Besides obviously having them send people out into the world to pretend to be people from other nations, spy, and collect their technology. Vibranium allows them to advance farther and build on the ideas of the rest of the world without their material limitations.
You need certain metals to make a computer? Nope Vibranium. You need x,y,z for the best armor? Nope, vibranium.
It's a comic metal. It's all stupid all the time with comic metals.
Well the original explanation in BP was that T'challa sold vibranium to fund programs for Wakanda, not that it could do literally anything. It just had a unique interaction with kinetic energy.
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In BP they said that the Vibranium stolen by Klaw and purchased and then used by Ultron was "all the Vibranium" Wakanda had" according to the rest of the world. Their country can't be selling everyone else vibranium if that is the case.
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Yeah I was under the impression they were specifically withholding vibranium from the rest of the world and the little bit that was out there was generally stuff that had been lost/stolen.
Lance845 wrote:In BP they said that the Vibranium stolen by Klaw and purchased and then used by Ultron was "all the Vibranium" Wakanda had" according to the rest of the world. Their country can't be selling everyone else vibranium if that is the case.
AduroT wrote:Yeah I was under the impression they were specifically withholding vibranium from the rest of the world and the little bit that was out there was generally stuff that had been lost/stolen.
Yes. The nature of Wakanda's tech is very different in the comics. Also Aquaman has cleared $1 billion world wide and is now #9 all time. 3 2018 superhero films cleared $1 billion worldwide.
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Aquaman was ok for me. I loved the development of the villains and the spectacle of everything. The lead did a great job. But the dialogue was not good. At all. They showed how difficult it is the write good flirty banter.
I really did not like the special effects. While it was bright and colorful, everything looked so fake.
One thing that irked me was the kiss between the leads. She just said "We must stop this bloodshed" then makes out with him as her people die in the background. That felt...off.
The thing about Aquaman is, it’s very very silly...but it’s also fun, and the overall plot and characterisations are the most part on target too. I think overall, it’s a good film. And it’s good for DC who were in a bad place before WW turned things around.
24 million shy of the 1.1 billion mark worldwide. It made $13 mil domestic the last week. I think it'll limp over $1.1, but surely it won't be in many more theaters?
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Some parts were terrific; all of the visuals were really good. Seeing all the weird sea creatures was great. I especially liked some of the slow-motion cinematic money shots, like the ones of the trench creatures attacking the boat. Some felt a little OTT but it's a comic book movie so what are you gonna do. Big shout out to the drumming octopus as OTT-but-it-works.
Story wise, I am glad he felt some remorse for letting Black Manta's father die - that felt a little out of character to me at the time, but that he felt bad and grew from it... it was OK as part of the larger story.
I liked everything about Black Manta, especially his absolutely ridiculous helmet. That he actively made it bigger might have been my favorite plot point, honestly.
Some rougher parts were when he finally puts on the ridiculous orange and green costume. Yes, I get he wore it in the comic, but it does not translate well and they should have dropped it.
The hideous red wig they inflicted on Amber Heard should have been fixed in the very first test shoot. How did that make it to the final movie? A mystery for the ages.
Some of the dialogue felt a bit clunky and too on-the nose. I don't know if I can recall anything so egregious it stayed with me but I definitely remember sort of rolling my eyes a few times throughout.
Aquaman's strength level doesn't seem to be very consistent - in some of these scenes he appears to be on a Superman-level power scale. That seems a little off to me, but I am mostly a Marvel guy so I don't know how accurate it is or isn't. He sure didn't seem that strong in Justice League, though - I feel like a dude who can casually lift a 17 ton submarine might have been significant enough of a threat to Steppenwolf that they may not have need Supes. Maybe he moves at the speed of plot.
It felt very, very long though. I think there was at least some editing that needed to have happened.
On the whole I liked it, a fun if flawed ride.
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With the orange+green costume, I kinda felt like it was meant to be like Clark getting the Superman suit--"embracing his heritage" or something of that ilk.
I thought it worked better than I thought it would. I think it ended up looking a lot better throughout the battle her wears it than it did in the promo shot and it helps keep him easy to visualize among the chaos.
My main complaint about the orange and green suit (after it was pointed out by my wife) was the over-stuffed codpiece. There must have been a whole bulge team with the final measurements being one girth unit (no pun intended) smaller than whatever size the focus group found too ridiculous.
I thought the designers did a terrific job adapting the costume from the comics. Honestly, that's the first time I've heard someone say that it didn't work.
Some parts were terrific; all of the visuals were really good. Seeing all the weird sea creatures was great. I especially liked some of the slow-motion cinematic money shots, like the ones of the trench creatures attacking the boat. Some felt a little OTT but it's a comic book movie so what are you gonna do. Big shout out to the drumming octopus as OTT-but-it-works.
Story wise, I am glad he felt some remorse for letting Black Manta's father die - that felt a little out of character to me at the time, but that he felt bad and grew from it... it was OK as part of the larger story.
I liked everything about Black Manta, especially his absolutely ridiculous helmet. That he actively made it bigger might have been my favorite plot point, honestly.
Some rougher parts were when he finally puts on the ridiculous orange and green costume. Yes, I get he wore it in the comic, but it does not translate well and they should have dropped it.
The hideous red wig they inflicted on Amber Heard should have been fixed in the very first test shoot. How did that make it to the final movie? A mystery for the ages.
Some of the dialogue felt a bit clunky and too on-the nose. I don't know if I can recall anything so egregious it stayed with me but I definitely remember sort of rolling my eyes a few times throughout.
Aquaman's strength level doesn't seem to be very consistent - in some of these scenes he appears to be on a Superman-level power scale. That seems a little off to me, but I am mostly a Marvel guy so I don't know how accurate it is or isn't. He sure didn't seem that strong in Justice League, though - I feel like a dude who can casually lift a 17 ton submarine might have been significant enough of a threat to Steppenwolf that they may not have need Supes. Maybe he moves at the speed of plot.
It felt very, very long though. I think there was at least some editing that needed to have happened.
On the whole I liked it, a fun if flawed ride.
On the whole strength level, DC seems to work on plot convenience more then anything else. Doomsday was portraid as significantly stronger then Superman and WW actually handle herself very well in that fight, probably better then Sup himself. Yet, in JL she struggles to keep up with Steppenwolf and can't match at all Superman. I guess she had the flue or something like that. It seems to be the same thing for Aquaman. Maybe he's stronger in the water then on land? That could make some sense. Or maybe really, they just wanted to make Superman look better in JL for plot reason.
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I watched Justice League again relatively recently. And, to be honest, though Supes was doing *lots* of things at once in the final fight, just focusing on the battle with Steppenwolf, all he really did was 'turn the tide' - It was actually Aquaman that ended up getting the final hit in that defeated Steppenwolf.
I saw this this weekend with my family. I enjoyed it. I had low expectations, but was pleasantly surprised.
I liked how they just went with it. Submarines that look like fish, and swim like fish? Yup! Does it matter if the crew are being thrown around while it sways back and forth? Nope! No justification for it... just is what it is. I liked that.
I really liked Manta and the "Ocean Master" as villains. Lots of fun.
Do you think young Dafoe was CG'd, or did they just go to town with a trowel and filled in the cracks with makeup?
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Saw this recently. It was...a spectacle to be sure. As a work of narrative fiction, it was awful and cringe-inducing. As the cinematic equivalent of a flashy fireworks show, it worked.
Dafoe was tragically wasted in this flick. Black Manta might be interesting down the line.
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People IRL obsessed too much over reviews and don’t understand subjectivity. ‘No, Ashiraya, don’t go see Aquaman! It’s not good and the reviews criticise it!’
I do what I want. >=( I went to see it alone a few weeks ago.
Spoiler:
The plot was familiar, sure, but I really enjoyed how it was retold. There was still a surprise or two in there, for example I totally expected them to kill off the queen or the friendly old advisor guy in the end - but they didn’t! Nothing wrong with a happy ending in this day and age.
It was a visual spectacle, the actors were good (but then, Jason Momoa <3 <3 <3 )
Sure the ending was bombastic to say the least but… People had the same complaint about Crysis. I liked Crysis. It was fine. The ending battle also was kinda Avatar (the space movie) like but I was fine with that too.
The best character was the sea monster. Real Pacific Rim vibes! Love the way the appearance was teased until the finale. And it was voiced by the delightful 83 year old Julie Andrews who was perfect for the role!
Also black manta lol, just as goofy as he was in injustice…
It was not flawless but I walked out of the cinema smiling. That makes it good in my books.
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Some parts were terrific; all of the visuals were really good. Seeing all the weird sea creatures was great. I especially liked some of the slow-motion cinematic money shots, like the ones of the trench creatures attacking the boat. Some felt a little OTT but it's a comic book movie so what are you gonna do. Big shout out to the drumming octopus as OTT-but-it-works.
Story wise, I am glad he felt some remorse for letting Black Manta's father die - that felt a little out of character to me at the time, but that he felt bad and grew from it... it was OK as part of the larger story.
I liked everything about Black Manta, especially his absolutely ridiculous helmet. That he actively made it bigger might have been my favorite plot point, honestly.
Some rougher parts were when he finally puts on the ridiculous orange and green costume. Yes, I get he wore it in the comic, but it does not translate well and they should have dropped it.
The hideous red wig they inflicted on Amber Heard should have been fixed in the very first test shoot. How did that make it to the final movie? A mystery for the ages.
Some of the dialogue felt a bit clunky and too on-the nose. I don't know if I can recall anything so egregious it stayed with me but I definitely remember sort of rolling my eyes a few times throughout.
Aquaman's strength level doesn't seem to be very consistent - in some of these scenes he appears to be on a Superman-level power scale. That seems a little off to me, but I am mostly a Marvel guy so I don't know how accurate it is or isn't. He sure didn't seem that strong in Justice League, though - I feel like a dude who can casually lift a 17 ton submarine might have been significant enough of a threat to Steppenwolf that they may not have need Supes. Maybe he moves at the speed of plot.
It felt very, very long though. I think there was at least some editing that needed to have happened.
On the whole I liked it, a fun if flawed ride.
Traditionally/historically the DC characters -- especially superman -- have always been wwaayy more pwerful than any of the Marvel characters.
Hell Superman , " back in the day" -- was sneezing planets out of their orbit, igniting suns with his heat vision and so forth.
Marvel used to cap out thier heroes -- with perhaps the odd exception for the cosmic entity types -- at being able to life about 100 tons or so -- aka the old "class 100 strength "..
.. I think that lasted about ...oohh.. maybe a week or so ? ..before being ignored.
Superhuman Strength: Aquaman possesses superhuman strength on the order of 150 times human maximum (assuming a human max of 800 lbs, meaning approximately 60 tons), although he's shown feats of at least 80 tons worth of striking and lifting power, but his strength is always underrated, considering the company that he keeps(Superman, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter). His strength is more than a match for most common barriers such as wood, common metals, brick or concrete walls. Only steel reinforced barriers have a serious chance of slowing him for any length of time. Aquaman frequently displays feats of Super-Atlantean (the average Atlantean can lift/press approximately 4 tons) and Superhuman strength. While not on par with Superman or Captain Marvel, he has proven capable of performing standing high jumps of 4 stories (both on land and from water), lifting and throwing a tank (which range from 30 to 60 tons), and has held his own in hand to hand combat with Wonder Woman. His strength would appear somewhat dependent on how immersed in water he is as he was capable of lifting a considerable chunk of a city block in Sub-Diego (which would weigh thousands of tons), gained the upper hand against Despero(who can defeat superman, captain marvel, and wonder woman at the same time), and has proven capable of shifting an oil rig platform, a cruise liner, and a submerged land mass, which would all weigh thousands of tons as well.
Aquaman's superhuman strength allows him to lift a Blue Whale which can weigh in upwards of 400,000 pounds or 200 tons, strength sufficient enough to allow him to rip a tank apart with his bare hands. You try it.
Note: Aquaman's superhuman strength has varied widely over the decades from being able to lift a blue whale up to now lifting a cruise ship in some of the more recent writing. Behold!
Spoiler:
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Comics have generally started leaning harder into the whole, able to withstand deep sea pressures angle a lot harder lately. He's basically Goku training at about 1100x the atmospheric pressure of the land.
I think Dragonball Z really upped the ante for what audiences expected from superheroes. A hero pushing his limits to lift a tanker truck or yacht just doesn't excite any more.
