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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
@Togusa apparently the new Picard show is set in the real time line, on the Enterprise E even!!

We shall see of course.

I'm headed overseas again this summer so waiting on Disco until I get watch it on Netflix rather than buy into a new service.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/star-trek-patrick-stewarts-picard-series-reveals-new-details-1174452

This article seems to indicate otherwise, that it is set in the JJ verse and deals with the destruction of Romulus. Pure. Gak. If true.

The destruction of Romulus happened in the original timeline, not the "JJverse" timeline.

If anything the article posits exactly what you want, a series picking right on the last piece of info we have of the original Star Trek timeline. Look on the bright side. It can't be worse than what STO did with it.

Yeah, introducing the Enterprise (and Spock) are "break glass in case of emergency" aspects added on late last season in direct contradiction to what the creators said they'd do (or in this case wouldn't) just a few months earlier.

I agree that the new Enterprise look is nice and I see it as equal parts TOS, TMP, and STD (mainly just the metallic color) for better or worse. I prefer the fan model (as in phsyical 1/350th? scale model) version created by Bill Krause that additionally has the TOS colors.



Of course, since it does mix in parts of classic trek it instantly clashes with the more angular STD asthetics and some fans of the new look don't like the Enterprise. YMMV.

 LordofHats wrote:
The destruction of Romulus happened in the original timeline, not the "JJverse" timeline.

?? Romulus was not destroyed in any of the canon from TNG to Voyager.


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 Togusa wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:
The destruction of Romulus happened in the original timeline, not the "JJverse" timeline.

?? Romulus was not destroyed in any of the canon from TNG to Voyager.

"In 2387, a star close to Romulus went supernova, endangering the entire galaxy. Ambassador Spock created a red matter singularity which consumed the star, but not before the supernova reached Romulus, destroying the planet, bringing the fall of the empire. (Star Trek)"

This is Gak. And I don't care what anyone says. IT. NEVER. HAPPENED.

 Togusa wrote:
?? Romulus was not destroyed in any of the canon from TNG to Voyager.

Romulus was destroyed in the Star Trek reboot yes, but it's destruction is part of the classic Trek timeline carrying on from a two parter in TNG's last season. A story focused on the aftermath of that event won't be set in the altered timeline of the JJverse films, but the original timeline.

Of course how much we learn about the aftermath of the Dominion War and Voyager could be down to nothing. It sounds like they're pitching a sort of character piece focused specifically on Picard's life and times. We might not get much about the present state of Cardassia, the Dominion, or the Voyager crew. At the very least we'll probably get plenty about the fate of the Romulans. Personally I'd rather see a movie about DS9 along these lines. After Bajor joins the Federation and what's going on in the lives of all those characters. I'll watch something about Picard though.

 LordofHats wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
?? Romulus was not destroyed in any of the canon from TNG to Voyager.

Romulus was destroyed in the Star Trek reboot yes, but it's destruction is part of the classic Trek timeline carrying on from a two parter in TNG's last season. A story focused on the aftermath of that event won't be set in the altered timeline of the JJverse films, but the original timeline.

Of course how much we learn about the aftermath of the Dominion War and Voyager could be down to nothing. It sounds like they're pitching a sort of character piece focused specifically on Picard's life and times. We might not get much about the present state of Cardassia, the Dominion, or the Voyager crew. At the very least we'll probably get plenty about the fate of the Romulans. Personally I'd rather see a movie about DS9 along these lines. After Bajor joins the Federation and what's going on in the lives of all those characters. I'll watch something about Picard though.

Ah, I think I understand our disagreement. I'm saying I don't accept that terrible, terrible writing from the movie to be cannon. I know that Paramount considers it so, but I don't. I refuse. When Janeway came home, ST was over. Whatever happened after 2002, it wasn't star trek.

ST was over before Janeway left home.

So, seems CBS aired it yesterday. Anyone tune in?

Continues to be a decent sci-fi action show with a veneer of Star Trek. It’s interesting to see the bits of Discovery next to Enterprise and it’s OST themes.


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Oh, and I don’t know if I just never noticed it in the first season, or if there was never a sequence that framed it so well, but Saru’s arm movement when they’re walking is really freaky.

 AduroT wrote:
Continues to be a decent sci-fi action show with a veneer of Star Trek. It’s interesting to see the bits of Discovery next to Enterprise and it’s OST themes.


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Oh, and I don’t know if I just never noticed it in the first season, or if there was never a sequence that framed it so well, but Saru’s arm movement when they’re walking is really freaky.

I never noticed it in Season 1, so I'm assuming that it's new framing. I can't imagine that I'd have missed it - so odd, disturbing and alien!

I loved the episode, Star Trek meets BSG meets Mass Effect, which totally works for me.

Well the destruction of Spock has begun, Skywalker syndrome I'll call it, they couldn't even wait one episode before Mary suiing up old mikey, even the SJW stuff that belongs in trek they can't even get right, series is off to a bad start.

I like Captain Pike. He seems the kind of enlightened military type I thought that Starfleet personnel were in the original series and early films.

Not sure about the Spock/Mike dynamic. In TOS if somebody was kicking off on an emotional level it seemed to be Spock. Until.i started researching the first series a couple of years ago, I didn't realise how 'unstable' he can come across compared to the rest of the crew. But the first season of Discovery didn't give me the impression that their sibling relationship was that difficult.

I enjoyed it but would like to see a bit.more about the rest of the other crew members - bridge, medical staff.

I do hope that the engineer they stumbled upon ends up joining discovery's crew. Thought she was a great character.

I assume she’s sticking around. She was too unique and randomly skilled to be a throw away.

 Souleater wrote:
I like Captain Pike. He seems the kind of enlightened military type I thought that Starfleet personnel were in the original series and early films.

Not sure about the Spock/Mike dynamic. In TOS if somebody was kicking off on an emotional level it seemed to be Spock. Until.i started researching the first series a couple of years ago, I didn't realise how 'unstable' he can come across compared to the rest of the crew. But the first season of Discovery didn't give me the impression that their sibling relationship was that difficult.

I enjoyed it but would like to see a bit.more about the rest of the other crew members - bridge, medical staff.

I do hope that the engineer they stumbled upon ends up joining discovery's crew. Thought she was a great character.

Jet Reno her name was and her introduction was pathetically stupid, open heart surgery, sure im an engineer, brain surgery, sure im an engineer.... utterly stupid, that aside though she had a thing about her that instantly got my attention, maybe its because every other character in the show is so wooden it was nice to have someone who seemed so animated, either way I would like to see more of her too.

Very solid opener. Need to watch it again to catch all the exposition being thrown around, but the episode itself was nicely put together, plenty of action and tension without resorting to big firefights, some proper Treky science stuff and a good mystery being set up. Everything looked amazing as well.

Maybe it's just because of last season, but I'm already starting to wonder if...


And yeah, Saru's arms got weird...

 Formosa wrote:

Jet Reno her name was and her introduction was pathetically stupid, open heart surgery, sure im an engineer, brain surgery, sure im an engineer.... utterly stupid, that aside though she had a thing about her that instantly got my attention, maybe its because every other character in the show is so wooden it was nice to have someone who seemed so animated, either way I would like to see more of her too.

I didn't watch but, looking at some reviews, this super engineer turned impromptu brain surgeon/intensivist couldn't figure out how to make the transporter work but Mary Burnham did within minutes after injury or somesuch. Apparently it's a good thing that the toxic white male of the season died earlier so he wasn't there to mess things up again. Is that actually the case?

I enjoyed that.

Decent action, plot went along at a decent clip.

I do hope we see the rest of the bridge crew get their time in the sun this season.

 warboss wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

Jet Reno her name was and her introduction was pathetically stupid, open heart surgery, sure im an engineer, brain surgery, sure im an engineer.... utterly stupid, that aside though she had a thing about her that instantly got my attention, maybe its because every other character in the show is so wooden it was nice to have someone who seemed so animated, either way I would like to see more of her too.

I didn't watch but, looking at some reviews, this super engineer turned impromptu brain surgeon/intensivist couldn't figure out how to make the transporter work but Mary Burnham did within minutes after injury or somesuch. Apparently it's a good thing that the toxic white male of the season died earlier so he wasn't there to mess things up again. Is that actually the case?

Pretty much correct, not touching the toxic make comment though lol.

Thing is she is as bad if not worse than Wesley for the Deus ex crap, so it's not like trek hasn't done it before, I'm hoping she develops a character at some point in this series though, because at the moment she makes Rei look like a well thought out in depth character by comparison.

Thanks. As for the last part, it was equal parts sarcasm/disgust with the hypocrisy of the show in case it wasn't obvious.

I don't think it was a case of her not being able to make the transporter work, so much as not having anywhere to transport to. She'd need to know there was another ship nearby and that it wasn't klingon. She appeared to have no functional sensors or comms.

I definitely hope she stays. She was awesome. I really enjoyed this episode.

pgmason wrote:
I don't think it was a case of her not being able to make the transporter work, so much as not having anywhere to transport to.

That was my thought as well - Scotty hasn't invented long-range transporters or transporter stasis yet

pgmason wrote:
I definitely hope she stays. She was awesome. I really enjoyed this episode.

Wikipedia says she's a recurring character.


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 Formosa wrote:
Jet Reno her name was and her introduction was pathetically stupid, open heart surgery, sure im an engineer, brain surgery, sure im an engineer.... utterly stupid, that aside though she had a thing about her that instantly got my attention, maybe its because every other character in the show is so wooden it was nice to have someone who seemed so animated, either way I would like to see more of her too.

Well, we don't know how many of her patients died before they were rescued, or how many she made worse.

I enjoyed it, good start to a new season.

As soon as that male engineer opened his mouth in that pod, he pretty much sealed his own fate.

A good thing, too. He failed the first rule of starfleet.
Which isn't "Don't interfere" it's "DBAD".
(Kirk also never read that one).

I was disappointed his shirt wasn’t the red one.

 AduroT wrote:
I was disappointed his shirt wasn’t the red one.

This just makes me want a Red Shirts TV series. Not Star Trek. The book Red Shirts XD

 LordofHats wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
I was disappointed his shirt wasn’t the red one.

This just makes me want a Red Shirts TV series. Not Star Trek. The book Red Shirts XD

I want a Red Shirts web series. Just a series of short episodes finding new and entertaining ways to kill of no-name crew.

 AduroT wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
I was disappointed his shirt wasn’t the red one.

This just makes me want a Red Shirts TV series. Not Star Trek. The book Red Shirts XD

I want a Red Shirts web series. Just a series of short episodes finding new and entertaining ways to kill of no-name crew.

Except for Ensign Jimmy. See, Jimmy's crafty. And paranoid. He's still alive because he questions everything but no one ever listens to Jimmy

Redshirts did get optioned for a movie but the time period to do anything with it lapsed so it's all Scalzi's ball again.

@LoH: So Ensign Jimmy is part Zathras? Zathras always there, Zathras hears everything but nobody ever listen to Zathras. Zathras always alone, will probably die alone. It is a horrible life, and probably a horrible death.

 chromedog wrote:
Redshirts did get optioned for a movie but the time period to do anything with it lapsed so it's all Scalzi's ball again.

@LoH: So Ensign Jimmy is part Zathras? Zathras always there, Zathras hears everything but nobody ever listen to Zathras. Zathras always alone, will probably die alone. It is a horrible life, and probably a horrible death.

But, at least there is symmetry.

Cue Ivanova staring in shock.

I enjoyed it but would agree its going to get really tiresome having Michael being the best of the best at well....... everything and apparently the only one who can operate a tricorder etc etc.

Having some one be a better pilot or another come up with solutions was sorely needed.

Was Rebecca Romijn just so bad (or good/) they had to keep chopping her character out of scenes.....hoepfully she will appear properely in the enxt episode.

They defo need to make use of the supporting cast.

Traditionally, Trek has spent the first season establishing their leads. So I've got high hopes for this season - spesh as Pike asked them all to sound off with their names.