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I think I know what they're doing with the borg cube...

Several spots on Episode 9 of the cube showed the Borg sphere port that was very much intact and above the ground.

 Compel wrote:
I think I know what they're doing with the borg cube...

Several spots on Episode 9 of the cube showed the Borg sphere port that was very much intact and above the ground.

You thinking time travel like when the Queen did it in the film? In general you don't need the sphere for that, any ship that uses the gravity sling-shot manoeuvre can establish a tunnel to do time travel. However I get the feeling that they don't want to do time travel in this story. It's always a bit of a cop-out at times too as either it dominates the story with a temporal fight; or it flies in at the very end to re-set things (much like "and then he woke up and it was all a dream" kind of endings. Ones that resolve things but end up being rather, well, unsatisfying.

Not time travel, just giving the means for 7 and the XB's to take part in the final battle with a suitable ship.

I suppose if it wasn't for Picard helming the Enterprise in First Contact, maybe the Sphere might be a relatively impressive ship.

Wonder whose mind is going to end up in the golem.

Presumably Son of Soong aims to achieve immortality with it, presumably Dr. Murderer is going to assist and betray him at the last minute.

Does anyone else think that Picard is going to end up in there? That way, they swerve his impending death and get another actor to play him in subsequent series; it's not as if any of us are getting any younger...

If they DO do that to Picard, I sincerely hope they can get Tom Hardy to reprise the role.

getting Picard in another body would be a mistake. part of what MAKES the character is the gravatas Patrick Stewart can bring to the role

 AduroT wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Going loooooooong with this one. Like, a Hail Mary, Jospeh, Jesus, Abraham, Adam and Eve....

Is this all just in Picard’s mind?

That would be dumb. Like, I didn’t hate the Discovery ending where Riker was watching a holodeck recording despite how panned that was, because it was still events that happened, but if it was all just a fever dream, no.

That was Enterprise

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 AduroT wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Going loooooooong with this one. Like, a Hail Mary, Jospeh, Jesus, Abraham, Adam and Eve....

Is this all just in Picard’s mind?

That would be dumb. Like, I didn’t hate the Discovery ending where Riker was watching a holodeck recording despite how panned that was, because it was still events that happened, but if it was all just a fever dream, no.

That was Enterprise

Right. Right. I was thinking of the right show, I just used the wrong name.

 AduroT wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 AduroT wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Going loooooooong with this one. Like, a Hail Mary, Jospeh, Jesus, Abraham, Adam and Eve....

Is this all just in Picard’s mind?

That would be dumb. Like, I didn’t hate the Discovery ending where Riker was watching a holodeck recording despite how panned that was, because it was still events that happened, but if it was all just a fever dream, no.

That was Enterprise

Right. Right. I was thinking of the right show, I just used the wrong name.

It could have been amazing if they'd handled it better - from Riker's POV it was set during The Pegasus, and he's trying to decide who's side he's on.


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Getting back to Picard - I wonder if they'd try to please the fans by having Riker turn up with the Titan and the rest of the TNG crew with their ships.

That would be crazy and I hadn’t considered it. I highly doubt it though. Riker is kind of out of the Starfleet loop to really know where Picard is right now and to get “his” ship and contact everyone and get them there. It’s a bit much. I think it would feel too highly contrived, forced fan service sort of deal.

I would more readily accept some members of Picard’s old crew happening to be among the fleet of Starfleet ships I’m expecting to show up though, as it would have to be a pretty big fleet to deal with 200+ Romulan ships, so you get good odds of familiar faces there.

Although, Riker does know where Picard is, it was his daughter that suggested the planet...

I'd imagine Worf might turn up for combat. Last I recall he was captain of the Defiant and even if Starfleet has made more of that class, or more warship class ships; I'd wager he'd still be involved with that end of the Federation.

Have we heard anything of the actors getting contacted to appear? So far we know Whoopie is going to appear in her old role at some point.

After Riker and Worf many of the crew were more utilitarian roles. Medics, engineers etc... So whilst they'd be of great support, they might not be able to bring a ship of their own or command much influence within Starfleet. Data was actually one of the few on the old crew who could have captained his own ship (indeed in more than one episode he did stand in as acting captain).

 Overread wrote:
After Riker and Worf many of the crew were more utilitarian roles. Medics, engineers etc... So whilst they'd be of great support, they might not be able to bring a ship of their own or command much influence within Starfleet. Data was actually one of the few on the old crew who could have captained his own ship (indeed in more than one episode he did stand in as acting captain).

La Forge was captain of the Galaxy-class USS Challenger in 2390 in an alternate timeline, and Beverly Crusher was already a certified bridge officer, and captained the Olympic-class USS Pasteur (medical ship) in an alternative 2395.

So, after that last episode, I have one question.

How does Oh manage to be both Chief of Starfleet security, and manage to command a Romulan battle fleet in person?

That doesn't seem like the kind of thing one could just take PTO for and nobody know about...

 Compel wrote:
So, it's one hundred percent gone Mass Effect, with Soji's people in the role of the Geth and Soji as Legion.

I'm guessing it'll follow a similar format, The Reapers arrive, part of Soji's people stay with Picard (and Soji), and part of them become the Heretics allied with The Reapers.

I got kinda the same vibe, and it immediately irked me because now I'm almost expecting Picard to end going down in plot-flames just as badly, but desperately hoping not.

Was Oh in charge of the romulan fleet? I may not have been paying enough attention and assumed it was the sister.

 Vaktathi wrote:
So, after that last episode, I have one question.

How does Oh manage to be both Chief of Starfleet security, and manage to command a Romulan battle fleet in person?

That doesn't seem like the kind of thing one could just take PTO for and nobody know about...

I've been watching Trekyards quite a bit and they made a couple of observations about this:

One is that she's a commodore in both Starfleet and the Romulan forces - what are the chances? Also, since when did the Romulans have the same ranks?

The other observation is she would have to have worked her way up to commodore in the Romulan Star Empire before she went deep undercover in Starfleet. Presumably, having to work her way up the ladder from the ground up - that's got to have been annoying enough to test her emotionless Vulcan act to the limits!

Well she Is half Vulcan still.

They do live longer than humans- every chance she worked her way up both times from the ground - although her connections to her secret order (which by the initiation looked like parent to child) might well have given her a few leg-ups in the Romulan side at least.

Or it could be honourary, as befitting her actual rank as a Starfleet Commodore as well as (presumably) being the Tal Shiar's highest ranked infiltrator and operative in the Federation.

 Chillreaper wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
So, after that last episode, I have one question.

How does Oh manage to be both Chief of Starfleet security, and manage to command a Romulan battle fleet in person?

That doesn't seem like the kind of thing one could just take PTO for and nobody know about...

I've been watching Trekyards quite a bit and they made a couple of observations about this:

One is that she's a commodore in both Starfleet and the Romulan forces - what are the chances? Also, since when did the Romulans have the same ranks?

Well, it depends, on the position and branch of service. Some are a bit 'why historical Earth cultural cues?' (Centurions and Uhlans).
But there have been actual Romulan characters with ranks of General, Admiral, Commander, Sub-commander, Sub-lieutenant (but no lieutenants), and Colonels and Majors in the Tal Shiar (though the Major was actually Troi in disguise, but presumably they didn't give her a rank Romulans don't use).

Still enjoying

Needs more Seven

Lots of plot devices they can use - eg they have a portal in the Cube to go apparently anywhere so why worry about fixing the ship....did we discover how Seven got to the cube?
Its a Borg cube it regenerates.

Quite liked that the student of vulcans was basically - feth the organics - its them or us from the start (or has she been for longer)

When the orchids turned up - I immediately thought Species 8472.

Given that the “Vulcan” synthetic is the one who lost her sister to Rios’ Captain, I’m betting that she’s had an axe to grind for a long while.

Also:

 Jadenim wrote:
Given that the “Vulcan” synthetic is the one who lost her sister to Rios’ Captain, I’m betting that she’s had an axe to grind for a long while.

Also:

Spoiler:

Is it obvious to everyone else that she killed the “innocent” synthetic and let Narek go? I’m assuming a “no synth kills another” will be a key part of the resolution.

It is obvious but not sure thats been said that thats part of their ethos- perhaps its a further step in their evolution...

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Jadenim wrote:
Given that the “Vulcan” synthetic is the one who lost her sister to Rios’ Captain, I’m betting that she’s had an axe to grind for a long while.

Also:

Spoiler:

Is it obvious to everyone else that she killed the “innocent” synthetic and let Narek go? I’m assuming a “no synth kills another” will be a key part of the resolution.

It is obvious but not sure thats been said that thats part of their ethos- perhaps its a further step in their evolution...

I don’t think that she did the actual act, but I think she intentionally allowed it to happen.

 Compel wrote:
Or it could be honourary, as befitting her actual rank as a Starfleet Commodore as well as (presumably) being the Tal Shiar's highest ranked infiltrator and operative in the Federation.

or it could just be a translation. Commadore is sometimes used in some navies as a honorriffic for a ship captain whose commanding a squadron. as such if she's simply a romulan Commander (their captain equivilant) and is commanding a squadron we could simply hear the rank commandore used as "the closest translation" for her rank.

 Jadenim wrote:
Given that the “Vulcan” synthetic is the one who lost her sister to Rios’ Captain, I’m betting that she’s had an axe to grind for a long while.

Also:

Spoiler:

Is it obvious to everyone else that she killed the “innocent” synthetic and let Narek go? I’m assuming a “no synth kills another” will be a key part of the resolution.

She was killed with the lapel/pin that Narek was very clearly shown to be eyeing up in a scene before. She didn't kill anyone, but she did release Narek and likely told him to kill her (since Narek wasn't looking to kill anyone save to escape). What's a touch more confusing is how Narek allowed himself to be caught.

He's either heading more and more mentally off the rails and flip flopping mentally between his curiosity, love and mission; or he's a very good spy acting insane.

 Overread wrote:

 Jadenim wrote:
Given that the “Vulcan” synthetic is the one who lost her sister to Rios’ Captain, I’m betting that she’s had an axe to grind for a long while.

Also:

Spoiler:

Is it obvious to everyone else that she killed the “innocent” synthetic and let Narek go? I’m assuming a “no synth kills another” will be a key part of the resolution.

She was killed with the lapel/pin that Narek was very clearly shown to be eyeing up in a scene before. She didn't kill anyone, but she did release Narek and likely told him to kill her (since Narek wasn't looking to kill anyone save to escape). What's a touch more confusing is how Narek allowed himself to be caught.

He's either heading more and more mentally off the rails and flip flopping mentally between his curiosity, love and mission; or he's a very good spy acting insane.

he's defiantly torn, IMHO he'll end up coming to the conclusion that "a person is a person no matter how small" and working with the heros and finding a "third way"

Right now he actually reminds me a bit of the birth Alien from the 4th Alien film. That casual level of violent reaction underlaying a very confused mental state. Especially when he was in the prison crooning to get released. At one moment pathetic and innocent and seeking care and in the very next violent and vicious and lashing out.

He could go either way and might change sides multiple times resulting in powerful backstabbing on both fronts. He might well aim for different resolution, but he might even go fully off the rails with his own that works against the other forces entirely.

Looks like CBS All Access is free for the next month (April 24th) if you use the coupon code "GIFT". In case anyone thinks I'm joking...

https://www.ign.com/articles/star-trek-picard-discovery-free-cbs-all-access-patrick-stewart

Looks like I'll be catching up on all this and seeing if it really is the dumpster fire that it sounds like from reviews. Just remember to cancel before April 24th to avoid a charge for a month that isn't free.

It’s really not.