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The Wall of Easter Eggs. Gonna take me 3 hours to watch that specific episode just to check every single name.

It’s a shame no one else did anything important in that 900 year gap so all the name drops can be memberberries.

Name drops with random ranks associated with them

When is Starfleet Academy supposed to be taking place?

Star Trek: Section 31 got nominated for an Emmy!

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Apparently it had good sounds...

Best Continuous Sound Effect Of Someone Crapping?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Best Continuous Sound Effect Of Someone Crapping?

Sorry, "sound editing."

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Incredible ✨#StarTrek #Section31 has received an Emmy nomination for Outstanding Sound Editing for a Limited or Anthology Series, Movie or Special

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Maybe this will give the studio an incentive to make a sequel.

Because sequels are always better than the original.

As I said before, exploring Section 31 isn’t a flawed idea at all.

They’re the dagger in the dark doing the dirty jobs, allowing The Federation and Starfleet to be The Good Guys.

A Garak. DS9 showed us that a Garak in your pocket, willing to not only think but carry out the unthinkable is a valuable tool. Because, applied with very carefully judged malice forethought? A single murder or “convenient for you, not for them, accident” can spare untold lives.

You want a TV Movie from it? Look to Measure of a Man and The Drumhead. Make it a court room drama of a sort, where a supposedly rogue Section 31 agent is having to justify the extent of their fiddling. Show us whether it has any scruples beyond “Don’t Get Caught Or Cause Anyone To Know We Exist”.

Just not Suicide Squad In Space. Anything but Suicide Squad In Space.

My issue with S31 is that narratively S31 was at its best when it was seedy, unknown, nefariously patriotic, and it was never entirely clear if they were a full blown rogue agency or if Starfleet was fully in on them.

The mystique of S31 and the challenge they presented to the ideals of the Federation made them good villains. The only good times S31 has ever really had in the franchise have been in the OG DS9 episodes.

Take away the mystique and it's just try hard Jason Borne in space.

I think the problem with Second 31 is that its one of those things where if you want to explore it you have to lose some of the mystical mystery around it.

It also runs a high risk that if you're not very careful with the story telling you can end up with them being so good that they go from a subtle guiding hand and occasional direct action; into a direct action influence that is the key control behind everything.

Heck Second 31 are supposed to be so effective that they aren't even really clear on IF it properly exists or not. It's not like the Obsidian Order where you veyr much knew it was there. Second 31 is that thing where you look at it from the outside and it looks like the madness of a few people; or extremists. Something that is very plausibly deniable as being Starfleet.

I did like Section 31 in Enterprise. Where Malcolm Reed regretted joining and was essentially stuck working for them.

Even when he was out, you got the feeling he really wasnt.

It definitely needs a canny writer. After all, it’s about whether the Ends Justify The Means. And here, that must be juxtaposed against The Federation’s lofty ideals.

I’m currently slowly rewatching SG1, and I’ve just done the episode where, to stop Apophis dominating the System Lords, and turn a race of squabbling warlords into a single cohesive threat? A Stargate is farted into a sun, whilst dialled up to another being sucked into a Blackhole.

Plan works, Sun goes nova, and not only Apophis’ fleet, but the vast majority if not all of his military forces go splat.

Which, whilst yes it did pave the way for Anubis to return, massively reduced the threat of the Goa’uld, giving a great deal of breathing space for those arrayed against them.

What if that was Star Trek? It’s a distinctly Not Federation Thing To Do. Even if it had meant say, wiping out the Changelings and gutting the main Jem Hadar cloning facilities? No Federation officer would even contemplate such a plan. Because genocide is still genocide. Klingons would find it dishonourable. Romulans would probably be bogged down in trying to calculate what the destruction of a sun might do for local gravity and that, and chart possible fallout.

What if the action was similar though? Like someone else picking up where I, Borg left off and delivered the virus to the hive mind, seeing it shattered? Is that justifiable? Would Section 31 be unanimous? What happens when it’s not? Who would be the radical there, the Yay or the Nay?

What if Section 31 got their mitts on Berlinghoff Rasmussen from A Matter Of Time, or pinched a timeship of their own, and used it to fine tune plans. Essentially using it to skip forward in time to see what one proposed action causes, and if unfavourable or outright counter productive, nipping back, removing that option from the table, and trying the next one?

There are a lot of possibilities. Some complex, some relatively simple. But all needing a damned good story and a script with attention to detail, and an understanding of tension and moral quandaries.

Second 31 arguably has to be even better than Garrak. You have to never be able to tell they were there or that their agent could possibly be one of them to the point where even their agents don't really know and no one knows who is in charge if anyone is in charge, but clearly there HAS to be someone in charge right?

It should be layers upon layers of mystery with multiple dead ends; missleading elements and conflicting information.

Or you could have a Section 31 who is not good at keeping secrets.

In Star Trek Into Darkness, Admiral Marcus, Head of Starfleet and Section 31, has a model of the USS Vengeance sitting on his desk at Starfleet HQ.

(They also have a secret shipyard that apparently has no security. So it must not be that big of a deal.)

 Overread wrote:
Second 31 arguably has to be even better than Garrak. You have to never be able to tell they were there or that their agent could possibly be one of them to the point where even their agents don't really know and no one knows who is in charge if anyone is in charge, but clearly there HAS to be someone in charge right?

It should be layers upon layers of mystery with multiple dead ends; missleading elements and conflicting information.

Another concept is Section 31 on some kind of trial as an organisation. Perhaps it’s been busted and exposed doing something ostensibly really bad.

And part of the counter argument is a Trials and Tribulations style retrospective, but almost as a Clip Show. The argument being “a stitch in time saves nine”. Show off the myriad tiny malicious and illegal acts which ensured the best result for the Federation, and nobody noticing.

That would be damned hard to write, film and successfully pull off though. But it would mean we don’t get bogged down in the lives of individual Section 31 agents, because Who Is Doing It is less central than the what and why.

Anything, absolutely anything, except more Spehss Suicide Squad drivel.

I don't need CIA copaganda in my democratic socialist utopia.

The only acceptable Section 31 content would be them put on trial that proved they're just a bunch of self-righteous loons and psychopaths using "national security" as an excuse to rob and murder people and their services had never ever been required for the survival of the Federation, and then they all get locked away forever and the democratic socialist utopia continues to function unfazed.

Yeah, at no point should Section 31 ever be heroes.

You don't watch DS9 and come away thinking "Yeah, these guys are all right".

The Dominion and the Founders are the enemy, but that doesn't justify Section 31 creating a bio-weapon to wipe them out before the Dominion War even starts.

 Gert wrote:
Yeah, at no point should Section 31 ever be heroes.

You don't watch DS9 and come away thinking "Yeah, these guys are all right".

The Dominion and the Founders are the enemy, but that doesn't justify Section 31 creating a bio-weapon to wipe them out before the Dominion War even starts.

I kept waiting for Voyager to admit that Janeway was a Section 31 agent. It's the only explanation for her actions.

 Hulksmash wrote:
Name drops with random ranks associated with them

Yeah. I'm deeply confused by that wall. What is it supposed to be?

Slipspace wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
Name drops with random ranks associated with them

Yeah. I'm deeply confused by that wall. What is it supposed to be?

Memberberries! It’s the only way Discovery connects to previous series.

The assumption is that it's some kind of memorial wall, but there doesn't seem to be any kind of order to the names. Memberberries is probably the best bet.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I don't need CIA copaganda in my democratic socialist utopia.

The only acceptable Section 31 content would be them put on trial that proved they're just a bunch of self-righteous loons and psychopaths using "national security" as an excuse to rob and murder people and their services had never ever been required for the survival of the Federation, and then they all get locked away forever and the democratic socialist utopia continues to function unfazed.

Agree, that should always be the end game with Section 31.
Anyways, I've said this before but Section 31 jumped a million sharks in Disco when they had their own secret fleet and navy that appears to be bigger than Starfleet complete with identifiable combadges.

Starfleet Academy is a good idea. Something they haven't fully explored but is fully rooted in ST lore. Could be a YA themed Star Trek which is fine if done right. Was that a Jem'Hadar cadet I saw? Always wiondered what happened to them.

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Was that a Jem'Hadar cadet I saw? Always wiondered what happened to them.

Star Trek wrote:Recurring Guest Star Gina Yashere as Commander Lura Thok, a Klingon/Jem’Hadar hybrid who is the chancellor’s First Officer and Cadet Master.

That’s Gina Yashere?

Well good for her! Whilst a decent comedian of years past, she was always hampered by being in, overall, not very funny shows.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
That’s Gina Yashere?

Well good for her! Whilst a decent comedian of years past, she was always hampered by being in, overall, not very funny shows.

Has a great bit about her Nigerian mother and introducing her partner to her.

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Starfleet Academy is a good idea. Something they haven't fully explored but is fully rooted in ST lore. Could be a YA themed Star Trek which is fine if done right. Was that a Jem'Hadar cadet I saw? Always wiondered what happened to them.

But won't it be better in a far future Starfleet where you go from Ensign to XO in one promotion? That is the kind of quality storytelling we need more of.

 Ahtman wrote:

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Starfleet Academy is a good idea. Something they haven't fully explored but is fully rooted in ST lore. Could be a YA themed Star Trek which is fine if done right. Was that a Jem'Hadar cadet I saw? Always wiondered what happened to them.

But won't it be better in a far future Starfleet where you go from Ensign to XO in one promotion? That is the kind of quality storytelling we need more of.

Why JJAbrams Kirk went from Starfleet Cadet to Captain of the Enterprise before he graduated from the Academy.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Starfleet Academy is a good idea. Something they haven't fully explored but is fully rooted in ST lore. Could be a YA themed Star Trek which is fine if done right. Was that a Jem'Hadar cadet I saw? Always wiondered what happened to them.

But won't it be better in a far future Starfleet where you go from Ensign to XO in one promotion? That is the kind of quality storytelling we need more of.

Why JJAbrams Kirk went from Starfleet Cadet to Captain of the Enterprise before he graduated from the Academy.

What I really hated about that was that he didn't even "earn" the position. He basically tries to trick Spock into giving him the position and it works even though there really actually wasn't any logic behind it since up to that point JJ's Kirk had almost been the comic relief Character. He's one of those characters who doesn't do great things before the audience, but rather every character around them keeps telling us that he's great or has "potential"

I think a lot of people confused "youngest captain" with Kirk basically being a kid whereas he was in his thirties by the time he was given his own ship after rising through the ranks.