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Northern85Star wrote:
Leviathan dreadnoughts with two stormcannon arrays. Comes at twice the price of a dreadnought, but compared to a dread it has:

2 x wounds
+1 T
2+ save
4+ invul
Far above 2 x firepower (20 str 8, -2 ap, dmg 2 shots - plus two heavy flamers)

So it should be comfortably above twice the price of two dreads, since it is better both offensively and defensively. Only downside it has is 24” range, and CC... if you’re able to get there.

You might have a point if standard dreadnaughts were actually a competitive choice, but they aren't.
   
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Ice_can wrote:
Northern85Star wrote:
Leviathan dreadnoughts with two stormcannon arrays. Comes at twice the price of a dreadnought, but compared to a dread it has:

2 x wounds
+1 T
2+ save
4+ invul
Far above 2 x firepower (20 str 8, -2 ap, dmg 2 shots - plus two heavy flamers)

So it should be comfortably above twice the price of two dreads, since it is better both offensively and defensively. Only downside it has is 24” range, and CC... if you’re able to get there.

You might have a point if standard dreadnaughts were actually a competitive choice, but they aren't.


Yeah that whole moving and screwing shooting sucks


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Really any vehicle that's not t8 unless it has an invuln is just poop

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 Backspacehacker wrote:
Ice_can wrote:
Northern85Star wrote:
Leviathan dreadnoughts with two stormcannon arrays. Comes at twice the price of a dreadnought, but compared to a dread it has:

2 x wounds
+1 T
2+ save
4+ invul
Far above 2 x firepower (20 str 8, -2 ap, dmg 2 shots - plus two heavy flamers)

So it should be comfortably above twice the price of two dreads, since it is better both offensively and defensively. Only downside it has is 24” range, and CC... if you’re able to get there.

You might have a point if standard dreadnaughts were actually a competitive choice, but they aren't.


Yeah that whole moving and screwing shooting sucks


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Really any vehicle that's not t8 unless it has an invuln is just poop
Or -2 or more to hit shenanigans to not care as you can't hit it anyway
   
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Northern85Star wrote:Leviathan dreadnoughts with two stormcannon arrays. Comes at twice the price of a dreadnought, but compared to a dread it has:

2 x wounds
+1 T
2+ save
4+ invul
Far above 2 x firepower (20 str 8, -2 ap, dmg 2 shots - plus two heavy flamers)

So it should be comfortably above twice the price of two dreads, since it is better both offensively and defensively. Only downside it has is 24” range, and CC... if you’re able to get there.


Martel732 wrote:Agreed. Leviathan dreads need some points hikes.


First, its only S7, not S8. Important difference. Then it only has 2 attacks in CC with S8 AP0 D1 if it has twin storm cannon arrays. It cant walk over infantry like a knight can. And it needs a price drop, compared to a knight. The knight has 5++, but can get 4++, 3++ with a stratagem, has almost twice the wounds, at least 12 attacks at S8 AP-2 D3, warlord traits, relics, household traditions, etc.
   
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No the liviathen with storm Cannon array is not balanced point wise. The dread itself is pointed fine, but the cannons are not. Why it's broken is if you make it ultramarine, drop guli and it butchers stuff. Also just to clear up its 4 attacks base, even with cannons.


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It's mis printed In battle scribe

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 Backspacehacker wrote:
No the liviathen with storm Cannon array is not balanced point wise. The dread itself is pointed fine, but the cannons are not. Why it's broken is if you make it ultramarine, drop guli and it butchers stuff. Also just to clear up its 4 attacks base, even with cannons.


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It's mis printed In battle scribe


No, no, no. The basic gear a leviathan has is two siege claws, meltaguns built into the claws and two heavy flamers. It loses 1 attack for every claw it replaces. Two storm cannon arrays (which are S7, not S8) are -2 attacks.
   
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 Backspacehacker wrote:
No the liviathen with storm Cannon array is not balanced point wise. The dread itself is pointed fine, but the cannons are not. Why it's broken is if you make it ultramarine, drop guli and it butchers stuff. Also just to clear up its 4 attacks base, even with cannons.


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It's mis printed In battle scribe

Becasue hitting on 4's rerolling only 1's after falling back is busted?
Wounding most infantry on 3+ so a LT gets reroll 1's anyway you must roll a serious number of 2's

IMPERIAL ARMOUR ie THE actual rules says its 2A with duel storm cannons 3A with 1 claw or drill and 4A with 2 claws or drills.
   
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Ok I see what you mean 4 base -2

Also that thing should never be getting In combat, you screen it with chaf and it obliterates anything. That dread is not overcosted in any way. Play glui is rerolling hits and wounds for that thing, which acts as a guli shield. The thing is busted with the cannons.

It basically has rerolling to hit and wound 20 plasma guns

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 Backspacehacker wrote:
Ok I see what you mean 4 base -2

Also that thing should never be getting In combat, you screen it with chaf and it obliterates anything. That dread is not overcosted in any way. Play glui is rerolling hits and wounds for that thing, which acts as a guli shield. The thing is busted with the cannons.

It basically has rerolling to hit and wound 20 plasma guns
if plasma was only S7 and -2Ap
   
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Slightly worse standard plasma, but it still does not change that it obliterates units and vehicles it's a narly unit.

I'll admit it's not broke I'm being extreme but it's really fething strong

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Its not fething strong if you compare it to a knight alone, without buffing unit(s).
   
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 p5freak wrote:
Its not fething strong if you compare it to a knight alone, without buffing unit(s).


Eh knights arnt that strong though, they are an all eggs in one basket the other problem I have with them is to random everything is super random with shots.

Now if you wanna see the meme patrol run 3 gallent knights and guliman and yolo into their lines and watch pure chaos

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 Backspacehacker wrote:
 SHUPPET wrote:
Grimtuff wrote:
 Silentz wrote:


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 Grimtuff wrote:

I fething hate that name (along with the other one). If I could personally destroy every iteration of that model when people use that name I'd be a much happier man.

I just call them smash captains.


I despise the name in some kind of petty way I simply cannot describe. It smacks of internet groupthink and this "nu-GW fan" courtesy of places like Reddit that seems to only know the background of the game via memes and 1D4chan. Anytime I see that name you know exactly what kind of person you're getting.

Absolutely, worse still is people who still use "soup", and even worse is when it's literally one allied detachment. Though I'm not convinced Dakka is a better community than Reddit in 2018, even if the competitive sub mods are absolute TFG morons, Dakka has some less than admirable traits as well.


Wait are people upset that people called him smashf-cker prime? Dude I loved chapter master smashF-cker prime and the smash crew back in 7th it was hilarious.

Also what's wrong with soup? I don't see the issue with a fluffy soup list.

I thought we were talking about "Slamguinius" but yeah honestly smash captains is not so bad its a fitting description

"soup" on the other hand, is a buzzword that once had a purpose, but no longer has its meaning at all. Hey guys check out my Eldar SOUP (army is literally CWE + ynarri). It's just mindless buzzwording to sound "in" and make reaches to use the term, and it's new popularity is probably 40ks cringiest achievement, only in this community would that happen.

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Eldar Shining Spears should be the best unit in the game, in a stats/point consideration.
   
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Wow, you are reading way too much into this!

Soup just means using stuff in your army from multiple books. It's a useful shorthand for that. No more, no less.
   
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Stux wrote:
Wow, you are reading way too much into this!

Soup just means using stuff in your army from multiple books. It's a useful shorthand for that. No more, no less.


lol the fact that you genuinely think that just shows how much of a buzzword it has become

you don't even know what the term means and you are telling others they are reading too far into it while you misuse it, you're everything we were talking about.

Soup was originally to describe a single detachment with a bunch of ingredients from a bunch of armies mixed together, like Imperium detachments for the FAQ. Now it means nothing. If you are taking an ally, just say you have an ally, using "soup" instead gives me that feeling of embarrassment you get for other people.

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Stux wrote:
Wow, you are reading way too much into this!

Soup just means using stuff in your army from multiple books. It's a useful shorthand for that. No more, no less.


Soup means cherry-picking the best of your faction (Chaos/Imperium/Eldar) and throwing it all in one list. You now, like making a soup out of the best ingredients.

Using a main force and supporting it with a smaller force from a second codex is not a soup.

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Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
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 SHUPPET wrote:
Stux wrote:
Wow, you are reading way too much into this!

Soup just means using stuff in your army from multiple books. It's a useful shorthand for that. No more, no less.


lol the fact that you genuinely think that just shows how much of a buzzword it has become

you don't even know what the term means and you are telling others they are reading too far into it while you misuse it, you're everything we were talking about.

Soup was originally to describe a single detachment with a bunch of ingredients from a bunch of armies mixed together, like Imperium detachments for the FAQ. Now it means nothing. If you are taking an ally, just say you have an ally, using "soup" instead gives me that feeling of embarrassment you get for other people.


No authoritative figure ever clearly defined the term. What you think it means is just what you think it means. The popular definitions are a mixed detachment or a mixed army.

I go with the mixed army meaning since I see that way more often. It’s super rare nowadays to see someone tossing out their subfaction ability when it’s so easy to make a small detachment for the ally units you want.

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 niv-mizzet wrote:
 SHUPPET wrote:
Stux wrote:
Wow, you are reading way too much into this!

Soup just means using stuff in your army from multiple books. It's a useful shorthand for that. No more, no less.


lol the fact that you genuinely think that just shows how much of a buzzword it has become

you don't even know what the term means and you are telling others they are reading too far into it while you misuse it, you're everything we were talking about.

Soup was originally to describe a single detachment with a bunch of ingredients from a bunch of armies mixed together, like Imperium detachments for the FAQ. Now it means nothing. If you are taking an ally, just say you have an ally, using "soup" instead gives me that feeling of embarrassment you get for other people.


No authoritative figure ever clearly defined the term. What you think it means is just what you think it means. The popular definitions are a mixed detachment or a mixed army.

I go with the mixed army meaning since I see that way more often. It’s super rare nowadays to see someone tossing out their subfaction ability when it’s so easy to make a small detachment for the ally units you want.

I think you missed the part where it's meaning was definitely defined before the current set of rules, and no longer has place in an game limited 3 detachments and a single army per detachment


It's use now at BEST, is for someone taking 3 different army detachments, and even that's a reach to call that a soup of races. But this "hurr I took a single allied harlequin detachment for my Ynnari, check out my SOUP list it's so SOUPY" which is how it's commonly used now, is just that "le epic buzzword" levels of corny.

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 SHUPPET wrote:
 niv-mizzet wrote:
 SHUPPET wrote:
Stux wrote:
Wow, you are reading way too much into this!

Soup just means using stuff in your army from multiple books. It's a useful shorthand for that. No more, no less.


lol the fact that you genuinely think that just shows how much of a buzzword it has become

you don't even know what the term means and you are telling others they are reading too far into it while you misuse it, you're everything we were talking about.

Soup was originally to describe a single detachment with a bunch of ingredients from a bunch of armies mixed together, like Imperium detachments for the FAQ. Now it means nothing. If you are taking an ally, just say you have an ally, using "soup" instead gives me that feeling of embarrassment you get for other people.


No authoritative figure ever clearly defined the term. What you think it means is just what you think it means. The popular definitions are a mixed detachment or a mixed army.

I go with the mixed army meaning since I see that way more often. It’s super rare nowadays to see someone tossing out their subfaction ability when it’s so easy to make a small detachment for the ally units you want.

I think you missed the part where it's meaning was definitely defined before the current set of rules, and no longer has place in an game limited 3 detachments and a single army per detachment


It's use at BEST, is for someone taking 3 different army detachments, and even that's a reach. But not this "hurr I took a single allied harlequin detachment for my Ynnari, check out my SOUP list" which is how it's commonly used now.


Defined by who? I don’t remember any holy scriptures being released defining the term.

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 SHUPPET wrote:
 niv-mizzet wrote:
 SHUPPET wrote:
Stux wrote:
Wow, you are reading way too much into this!

Soup just means using stuff in your army from multiple books. It's a useful shorthand for that. No more, no less.


lol the fact that you genuinely think that just shows how much of a buzzword it has become

you don't even know what the term means and you are telling others they are reading too far into it while you misuse it, you're everything we were talking about.

Soup was originally to describe a single detachment with a bunch of ingredients from a bunch of armies mixed together, like Imperium detachments for the FAQ. Now it means nothing. If you are taking an ally, just say you have an ally, using "soup" instead gives me that feeling of embarrassment you get for other people.


No authoritative figure ever clearly defined the term. What you think it means is just what you think it means. The popular definitions are a mixed detachment or a mixed army.

I go with the mixed army meaning since I see that way more often. It’s super rare nowadays to see someone tossing out their subfaction ability when it’s so easy to make a small detachment for the ally units you want.

I think you missed the part where it's meaning was defined before the current set of rules, and no longer has place in an game limited to a single army per detachment

Since you apparently know both the exact definition and when it was defined, can you provide a link showing how this was formally defined and agreed? Because right now you're just relying on saying "I'm right, you're wrong", which isn't exactly a strong argument.
   
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 niv-mizzet wrote:
 SHUPPET wrote:
 niv-mizzet wrote:
 SHUPPET wrote:
Stux wrote:
Wow, you are reading way too much into this!

Soup just means using stuff in your army from multiple books. It's a useful shorthand for that. No more, no less.


lol the fact that you genuinely think that just shows how much of a buzzword it has become

you don't even know what the term means and you are telling others they are reading too far into it while you misuse it, you're everything we were talking about.

Soup was originally to describe a single detachment with a bunch of ingredients from a bunch of armies mixed together, like Imperium detachments for the FAQ. Now it means nothing. If you are taking an ally, just say you have an ally, using "soup" instead gives me that feeling of embarrassment you get for other people.


No authoritative figure ever clearly defined the term. What you think it means is just what you think it means. The popular definitions are a mixed detachment or a mixed army.

I go with the mixed army meaning since I see that way more often. It’s super rare nowadays to see someone tossing out their subfaction ability when it’s so easy to make a small detachment for the ally units you want.

I think you missed the part where it's meaning was definitely defined before the current set of rules, and no longer has place in an game limited 3 detachments and a single army per detachment


It's use at BEST, is for someone taking 3 different army detachments, and even that's a reach. But not this "hurr I took a single allied harlequin detachment for my Ynnari, check out my SOUP list" which is how it's commonly used now.


Defined by who? I don’t remember any holy scriptures being released defining the term.
Aelyn wrote:
Since you apparently know both the exact definition and when it was defined, can you provide a link showing how this was formally defined and agreed? Because right now you're just relying on saying "I'm right, you're wrong", which isn't exactly a strong argument.

It's literally a metaphor description meaning a large mix of ingredients, you know, what a soup is, and that term no longer makes sense and it's become a mindless catchphrase for the groupthink online. Don't feign ignorance, it's not like you'll find the terms Dakka or Steel Rain in a dictionary, these things still have meanings in 40k, if I just start calling my Tau Gunline my "Steel Rain" list because it rains volleys of steel bullets or some dumb nu-boy reinterpretation just so I can grip on to the buzzword, it's going to be equally stupid.

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Soup means an army where the only common keyword is a top level keyword like IMPERIUM, CHAOS or AELDARI.

Any other understanding of the meaning is down to the reader, frankly.

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Do you ever get bored of discussing what “soup” means?


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 SHUPPET wrote:
 Backspacehacker wrote:
 SHUPPET wrote:
Grimtuff wrote:
 Silentz wrote:


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 Grimtuff wrote:

I fething hate that name (along with the other one). If I could personally destroy every iteration of that model when people use that name I'd be a much happier man.

I just call them smash captains.


I despise the name in some kind of petty way I simply cannot describe. It smacks of internet groupthink and this "nu-GW fan" courtesy of places like Reddit that seems to only know the background of the game via memes and 1D4chan. Anytime I see that name you know exactly what kind of person you're getting.

Absolutely, worse still is people who still use "soup", and even worse is when it's literally one allied detachment. Though I'm not convinced Dakka is a better community than Reddit in 2018, even if the competitive sub mods are absolute TFG morons, Dakka has some less than admirable traits as well.


Wait are people upset that people called him smashf-cker prime? Dude I loved chapter master smashF-cker prime and the smash crew back in 7th it was hilarious.

Also what's wrong with soup? I don't see the issue with a fluffy soup list.

I thought we were talking about "Slamguinius" but yeah honestly smash captains is not so bad its a fitting description

"soup" on the other hand, is a buzzword that once had a purpose, but no longer has its meaning at all. Hey guys check out my Eldar SOUP (army is literally CWE + ynarri). It's just mindless buzzwording to sound "in" and make reaches to use the term, and it's new popularity is probably 40ks cringiest achievement, only in this community would that happen.


"Slamguinius" and "Captain Smashfether" are the same thing, just the former is the BA unique one.

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"It's literally a metaphor description meaning a large mix of ingredients"

So it can basically be used for any army that doesn't rely on the same unit in the same force org slot.
   
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 CynosureEldar wrote:
What are the most broken units right now, say, top five? It used to be conscript spam, and before that it was ravenwing or the storm plane things. I'm having a hard time keeping the 'meta' as it is straight. Where are we at in the game right now?


Custodes on jetbikes but armies like that have to have at least one broken unit as the army has such a low model count, kinda like dreadknights.
   
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Grimtuff wrote:
 SHUPPET wrote:
 Backspacehacker wrote:
 SHUPPET wrote:
Grimtuff wrote:
 Silentz wrote:


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 Grimtuff wrote:

I fething hate that name (along with the other one). If I could personally destroy every iteration of that model when people use that name I'd be a much happier man.

I just call them smash captains.


I despise the name in some kind of petty way I simply cannot describe. It smacks of internet groupthink and this "nu-GW fan" courtesy of places like Reddit that seems to only know the background of the game via memes and 1D4chan. Anytime I see that name you know exactly what kind of person you're getting.

Absolutely, worse still is people who still use "soup", and even worse is when it's literally one allied detachment. Though I'm not convinced Dakka is a better community than Reddit in 2018, even if the competitive sub mods are absolute TFG morons, Dakka has some less than admirable traits as well.


Wait are people upset that people called him smashf-cker prime? Dude I loved chapter master smashF-cker prime and the smash crew back in 7th it was hilarious.

Also what's wrong with soup? I don't see the issue with a fluffy soup list.

I thought we were talking about "Slamguinius" but yeah honestly smash captains is not so bad its a fitting description

"soup" on the other hand, is a buzzword that once had a purpose, but no longer has its meaning at all. Hey guys check out my Eldar SOUP (army is literally CWE + ynarri). It's just mindless buzzwording to sound "in" and make reaches to use the term, and it's new popularity is probably 40ks cringiest achievement, only in this community would that happen.


"Slamguinius" and "Captain Smashfether" are the same thing, just the former is the BA unique one.

So two different things? Lol. I know what the terms mean, I just didn't think one was as bad as the other.
Skaorn wrote:"It's literally a metaphor description meaning a large mix of ingredients"

So it can basically be used for any army that doesn't rely on the same unit in the same force org slot.

Except that's not what it meant or how it was used, again, don't feign ignorance.

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Except SHUPPET that language changes and ranting about it changing from what it used to be is a waste of energy. Where I grew up the stores that sold booze were called package stores. We had a slang term for it that a lot of people don't use anymore because it sounds the same as a racial slur. If I say "I had a gay old time" at an event, someone unfamiliar with the Flinstones theme might take it differently than intended. The definition of soup in this small culture has already changed from what you except. You already lost.
   
 
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