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Sunny Side Up wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:


...what Hellblaster?

Looking closely at the new GW SW pics it seems that it's not a new front armour torso but just rather a necklace. There is another primaris with the same bit.

Another character for the cult? Plus the McReeee gunslinger coming later, and I'm guessing lots of my Cult lists are going to have a lot of HQs.

I really like the new abberants from what I've seen, and if the Abhorient is any good, he's going to see play beside them.

 Mr Morden wrote:
At least its not more Super Wolf Wolf Wolf nonsense or a Wolfen Dreadnought that is partially covered in fur ....or some similar BS.

They already have that, so why do it again?

 Mr Morden wrote:
And its still more than most non marine armies got - oh and Sisters just have a single picture of a possible future model and some vague allusions to a possible future dex - nothing more. No sign of any more Sisters of Silence. Still waiting for Skitarri commanders.

Can't you go one thread without, y'know, being a typical Sisters player? Your army is coming. They're working on plastics. It's not a "possible future model" nor are they "vague allusions to a possible future dex". You make it sound like they're not confirmed as happening. They are. They're coming out next year at least.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Wierd no terrain in that box?

Is it? Most of these boxes don't come with terrain.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
And its still more than most non marine armies got - oh and Sisters just have a single picture of a possible future model and some vague allusions to a possible future dex - nothing more. No sign of any more Sisters of Silence. Still waiting for Skitarri commanders.

Can't you go one thread without, y'know, being a typical Sisters player? Your army is coming. They're working on plastics. It's not a "possible future model" nor are they "vague allusions to a possible future dex". You make it sound like they're not confirmed as happening. They are. They're coming out next year at least.

They're coming out next year *at best*, not 'at least'. The whole 'Emperor Willing' means 'As long as there aren't production delays, trouble with designs that need to be addressed, bad rules design that needs to be re-done, etc, then we'll probably get them by 2019, but tbh it's not a priority. We showed you guys one render of a plastic model and nothing else, despite promising to clue you all in on the design process and all the behind-the-scenes goodness, but haven't really made good on that promise either.'

I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was a 2020 release. Late 2020.

But, back to Space Wolves.

Pretty disappointed. No Russ. Honestly I don't think Space Wolves need any new models. I was just expecting the next Primarch. Honestly, I was only hoping for Russ because if we got Russ then that'd mean we'd probably get another Chaos Primarch like Angron or Fulgrim next. Specifically Fulgrim, since that would mean new Emperor's Children models. But, maybe it's best for the game if we don't get more super-powered primarchs that you can Soup into other Imperium armies.

The Genestealer Cult stuff is looking good though. Those Aberrants look cool and I'll be interested to see where the gunslinger guy fits in. The paintjob on those minis is pretty atrocious though. It feels really rushed and flat...

I'm of the opinion primarchs, loyalist ones at least, don't come back in codices. it's too big an event just to slide in a codex with "ohh by the way Russ is back"

Shame this box has Primaris models, but I will always welcome a source of cheap Genestealers.

Hopefully the price will be reasonable. I would like to see what USD GW puts on this after their preorder for Adeptus Titanicus.

angel of death 007 wrote:
Hopefully the price will be reasonable. I would like to see what USD GW puts on this after their preorder for Adeptus Titanicus.

proably the same price as the necron/Admech set

proably the same price as the necron/Admech set

What is new in the box on the GSC side? There is just the character on the SW side. To me that doesn't seem like a great selling point. I'm not sure about anyone else, but i bought what Primaris I wanted when they were released. Forgebane had two new characters plus the Armigers to push its sales along.

Justyn wrote:

proably the same price as the necron/Admech set

What is new in the box on the GSC side? There is just the character on the SW side. To me that doesn't seem like a great selling point. I'm not sure about anyone else, but i bought what Primaris I wanted when they were released. Forgebane had two new characters plus the Armigers to push its sales along.

Character and upgrade sprues for SW. For GSC bunch of new models. More can be read on that article.

And for GW's sake I hope they haven't already sold all primaris they are going to sell or they are in serious poo-poo.

Justyn wrote:

proably the same price as the necron/Admech set

What is new in the box on the GSC side? There is just the character on the SW side. To me that doesn't seem like a great selling point. I'm not sure about anyone else, but i bought what Primaris I wanted when they were released. Forgebane had two new characters plus the Armigers to push its sales along.

The only new models were the Necron Cryptek and the Armigers; all the rest of it was standard stuff. So this is basically the same, and will likely cost the same ($160 US). We're getting a new Wolves character, a new GSC character, plus a new kit for Aberrants. Basically the same as Forgebane but with different armies. I for one hope to split the box with someone, as I would like to have the Wolves stuff, but don't want to start a Genestealer Cult army.

The only new models were the Necron Cryptek and the Armigers; all the rest of it was standard stuff. So this is basically the same, and will likely cost the same ($160 US). We're getting a new Wolves character, a new GSC character, plus a new kit for Aberrants. Basically the same as Forgebane but with different armies. I for one hope to split the box with someone, as I would like to have the Wolves stuff, but don't want to start a Genestealer Cult army.

Well the upgrade sprue will be sold with every Primaris kit for a while. I'm very interested to see what is on it. If it mimics the BA/DA sprues it won't be all that needed. We already have a great sprue with shoulder pads and two melee weapons. I'll pick up some Intercessors to get one, since I kit-bashed all of mine into Berserkers because I hate Wulfen models. That will give me at least one upgrade sprue. Then I'll grab the character on Ebay. But yeah I mostly see this kit getting split between two people both building their armies up. Unlike Forgebane which sold a lot to people looking for the Armigers and selling/trading the rest off.

And for GW's sake I hope they haven't already sold all primaris they are going to sell or they are in serious poo-poo.

Wasn't trying to say they had. Just that release times are when they sell the bulk of their kits.

I've just started a space wolf army, well I've got all my basic troops I have some extra Primaris I've been planning on maybe tossing in there if I like how space wolves intergrate Primaris Marines, so for me the box might be worth while if I can find someone who wants to split the box with me.

I think you should be able to find takers for the GSC pretty easily. Seems to be a lot of interest around here in them anyway.

Justyn wrote:

proably the same price as the necron/Admech set

What is new in the box on the GSC side? There is just the character on the SW side. To me that doesn't seem like a great selling point. I'm not sure about anyone else, but i bought what Primaris I wanted when they were released. Forgebane had two new characters plus the Armigers to push its sales along.

from the looks of it you get...\
SW
Lieutenant or leader model
squad of 5 primus marines
redemptor dread
3 man new squad of some primus variant models

GSC
Aberath leader model
squad of 5 aberath
squad of 5 acolyte hybrids
metamorph or acolyte leader
squad of genestealers

angel of death 007 wrote:

Justyn wrote:

proably the same price as the necron/Admech set

What is new in the box on the GSC side? There is just the character on the SW side. To me that doesn't seem like a great selling point. I'm not sure about anyone else, but i bought what Primaris I wanted when they were released. Forgebane had two new characters plus the Armigers to push its sales along.

from the looks of it you get...\
SW
Lieutenant or leader model
squad of 5 primus marines
redemptor dread
3 man new squad of some primus variant models

GSC
Aberath leader model
squad of 5 aberath
squad of 5 acolyte hybrids
metamorph or acolyte leader
squad of genestealers

the 3 man primaris squad are agressors.

3 man new squad of some primus variant models

If they were Primus marines they would be way cooler. Sadly they are just Primaris Agressors.

angel of death 007 wrote:

Justyn wrote:

proably the same price as the necron/Admech set

3 man new squad of some primus variant models

It's 3 Aggressors with the SW upgrades.

EDIT: Ninja'd

Justyn wrote:

3 man new squad of some primus variant models

If they were Primus marines they would be way cooler. Sadly they are just Primaris Agressors.

agressors aren't that bad a pick, if I was going hunting a genestealer cult as a primaris CO, I'd proably take a squad of agressors or two.

Guess I'll just wait for bitz sites to start splitting up the contents. Might get a cheap Redemptor Dread out of it.

Few small corrections on the above posted GSC contents -

The Abominant (HQ - New)
5 Aberrants (New)
1 Acolyte Iconward
5 Acolyte Hybrids or 5 Acolyte Metamorphs
8 Genestealers

So the SW upgrade sprue has a single chainsword and no power/frost sword? If SW intercessors can take chainswords each and a Power/Frost weapon on sarge I'm going to go full primaris. If not, I'll probably just stick with Grey Hunters. So sad if GW botched this chance to really push the intercessor kit to SW players.

 Weazel wrote:
So the SW upgrade sprue has a single chainsword and no power/frost sword? If SW intercessors can take chainswords each and a Power/Frost weapon on sarge I'm going to go full primaris. If not, I'll probably just stick with Grey Hunters. So sad if GW botched this chance to really push the intercessor kit to SW players.

so in other words "if intercessotrs are completely OP..."

BrianDavion wrote:

 Weazel wrote:
So the SW upgrade sprue has a single chainsword and no power/frost sword? If SW intercessors can take chainswords each and a Power/Frost weapon on sarge I'm going to go full primaris. If not, I'll probably just stick with Grey Hunters. So sad if GW botched this chance to really push the intercessor kit to SW players.

so in other words "if intercessotrs are completely OP..."

Umm in what universe would an extra attack per Intercessor make them OP? As far as I understand they are not considered very competitive at the moment.

I mean the Primaris loadouts don't make any sense in any other context than GW trying to avoid overlap. They are bigger and stronger than oldmarines yet nobody carries even a heavy bolter? Grey Hunters can carry chainswords but for some reason their big brothers cannot? It's just a load of gak. I hope they'd ditch oldmarines altogether and give all the options to the Primaris.

 Weazel wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Weazel wrote:
So the SW upgrade sprue has a single chainsword and no power/frost sword? If SW intercessors can take chainswords each and a Power/Frost weapon on sarge I'm going to go full primaris. If not, I'll probably just stick with Grey Hunters. So sad if GW botched this chance to really push the intercessor kit to SW players.

so in other words "if intercessotrs are completely OP..."

Umm in what universe would an extra attack per Intercessor make them OP? As far as I understand they are not considered very competitive at the moment.

How much would you up the cost or what you would take away to make sure wolf interceptors aren't just interceptors+1?

tneva82 wrote:

 Weazel wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Weazel wrote:
So the SW upgrade sprue has a single chainsword and no power/frost sword? If SW intercessors can take chainswords each and a Power/Frost weapon on sarge I'm going to go full primaris. If not, I'll probably just stick with Grey Hunters. So sad if GW botched this chance to really push the intercessor kit to SW players.

so in other words "if intercessotrs are completely OP..."

Umm in what universe would an extra attack per Intercessor make them OP? As far as I understand they are not considered very competitive at the moment.

How much would you up the cost or what you would take away to make sure wolf interceptors aren't just interceptors+1?

Well make it +1p for a Chainsword. +3p for a Powersword on sarge. I mean DA sarge can take a powersword, why the heck can a frigging SW pack leader not?

E: We have only seen a couple of pictures so it's unclear what is in the upgrade sprue, so I'll still keep my hopes up.

tneva82 wrote:

 Weazel wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Weazel wrote:
So the SW upgrade sprue has a single chainsword and no power/frost sword? If SW intercessors can take chainswords each and a Power/Frost weapon on sarge I'm going to go full primaris. If not, I'll probably just stick with Grey Hunters. So sad if GW botched this chance to really push the intercessor kit to SW players.

so in other words "if intercessotrs are completely OP..."

Umm in what universe would an extra attack per Intercessor make them OP? As far as I understand they are not considered very competitive at the moment.

How much would you up the cost or what you would take away to make sure wolf interceptors aren't just interceptors+1?

this, keep in mind chainsword inceptors would would 3 attack 2 wounds.. 3+ armor that'd edging in on some of the dedicated melee units out there.

BrianDavion wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Weazel wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Weazel wrote:
So the SW upgrade sprue has a single chainsword and no power/frost sword? If SW intercessors can take chainswords each and a Power/Frost weapon on sarge I'm going to go full primaris. If not, I'll probably just stick with Grey Hunters. So sad if GW botched this chance to really push the intercessor kit to SW players.

so in other words "if intercessotrs are completely OP..."

Umm in what universe would an extra attack per Intercessor make them OP? As far as I understand they are not considered very competitive at the moment.

How much would you up the cost or what you would take away to make sure wolf interceptors aren't just interceptors+1?

this, keep in mind chainsword inceptors would would 3 attack 2 wounds.. 3+ armor that'd edging in on some of the dedicated melee units out there.

I just wanna step in here and make sure you guys are still talking a bout the same thing, 'cause primaris interceptors aren't a thing and inceptors are a totally different unit.

People are talking about intercessors, interceptors and inceptors like they're the same thing. GW and their naming, sheesh.

10 Grey Hunters are 10 wounds and they deliver 20 attacks with chainswords. 5 Intercessors (10 wounds) would deliver 15 attacks with chainswords. Again I ask, in what universe would they be OP? Seriously guys.

I guess the Murderfang datasheet will not be in the Code, instead we get a no-name WUlfen dread with the same model.

Keep in mind that the old SW upgrade sprue with frostaxe/sword was already designed for Primaris. The hands holding the weapons are noticably bigger than standard marine hands.

Look like we are getting a Primaris upgrade sprue similiar to the BA one but with also a chest piece.