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Excited for the Aberrants and the Abominant HQ guy. Will be buying the GSC half for sure..

BrianDavion wrote:
Nah just there's always been that small number of people who haven't gotten over the introduction of primaris Marines. there always will be. I used to play Battletech, to this day there are people who insist anything that came after the 3025 era is garbage. and that ended in 1990.

It's almost like people have tastes and preferences, and that not everyone's tastes and preferences are driven entirely by whatever is newest and shiniest. Stunning! I must report this discovery to the Royal Society at once.

 Yodhrin wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
Nah just there's always been that small number of people who haven't gotten over the introduction of primaris Marines. there always will be. I used to play Battletech, to this day there are people who insist anything that came after the 3025 era is garbage. and that ended in 1990.

It's almost like people have tastes and preferences, and that not everyone's tastes and preferences are driven entirely by whatever is newest and shiniest. Stunning! I must report this discovery to the Royal Society at once.

there's a differance between "I'm not a fan of this" and "THIS IS HORRIABLE! IT'S AN INSULT! IF YOU LIKE THIS YOU'RE JUST A SHEEP!" etc

BrianDavion wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
Nah just there's always been that small number of people who haven't gotten over the introduction of primaris Marines. there always will be. I used to play Battletech, to this day there are people who insist anything that came after the 3025 era is garbage. and that ended in 1990.

It's almost like people have tastes and preferences, and that not everyone's tastes and preferences are driven entirely by whatever is newest and shiniest. Stunning! I must report this discovery to the Royal Society at once.

there's a differance between "I'm not a fan of this" and "THIS IS HORRIABLE! IT'S AN INSULT! IF YOU LIKE THIS YOU'RE JUST A SHEEP!" etc

People around here really need to get into the habit of typing what they actually mean to say, rather than expecting telepathy from everyone else.

That aside, the reality is the latter sentiment is never as common as folk argue it is. What is common is people reading far more emotion and emphasis into what people they disagree with say than is actually there, in order to preserve their own mental image of "the other" as irrational and unreasonable, thus validating their own opinions. I assure you, the vast majority of what you read as spittle-flecked swivel-eyed ranting & raving is in reality just people expressing disappointment, mild annoyance, or making jokes at the expense of something they find faintly ridiculous.

I'm not a fan of Primaris lore (the little that I know of it anyway), but all the Primaris units (outside of Inceptors) look pretty sweet compared to oldmarines.

Not that I really need a new hobby project but I'm interested in buying into the Primaris scheme. Proper heavy weapon variant and assault variant would really sell the concept to me. Right now it's probably going to be Intercessors and Hellblasters only for me, IF I expand into Primaris territory. The options they can take in the SW codex is pretty much a deciding factor at this point, money or time issues notwithstanding.

This topic is for the discussion of an upcoming release, not another place to rant about the like / dislike of the Primaris.

 BrookM wrote:
This topic is for the discussion of an upcoming release, not another place to rant about the like / dislike of the Primaris.

Thank you, gets annoying to have every Space Marine thread hijacked.

I'm picking one up for the Wolves, turned all my Primaris Marines into Deathwatch anyway so some Space Wolf ones will be welcome.
I am hoping that the SW codex will have something to offer by way of flexibility in Primaris Marines
What seperates Grey Hunters from vanilla marines troops has always been a different kind of flexibility, in 7th troops kind of didn't matter but Grey Hunters had cheap, limited flexibility in exchange for the Space Wolves having a laughably limited Troops choice Grey Hunters could pack for everything.
No bikes, jump packs or heavy weapons in SW troops choice but
Your Grey Hunters can pack Bolt Pistols, Bolt Guns and Chainswords at the same time and can take a fairly deep dig into the special weapons and melee weapons armouries - it would be nice to see that on the Primaris Marines, not knowing about vanilla troops choices in 8th I hesitate to say it would be fair though.

I'm a bit concerned about the Wulfen Dread and its impact on Murderfang who is a wulfen dread himself.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
I'm picking one up for the Wolves, turned all my Primaris Marines into Deathwatch anyway so some Space Wolf ones will be welcome.
I am hoping that the SW codex will have something to offer by way of flexibility in Primaris Marines
What seperates Grey Hunters from vanilla marines troops has always been a different kind of flexibility, in 7th troops kind of didn't matter but Grey Hunters had cheap, limited flexibility in exchange for the Space Wolves having a laughably limited Troops choice Grey Hunters could pack for everything.
No bikes, jump packs or heavy weapons in SW troops choice but
Your Grey Hunters can pack Bolt Pistols, Bolt Guns and Chainswords at the same time and can take a fairly deep dig into the special weapons and melee weapons armouries - it would be nice to see that on the Primaris Marines, not knowing about vanilla troops choices in 8th I hesitate to say it would be fair though.

I'm a bit concerned about the Wulfen Dread and its impact on Murderfang who is a wulfen dread himself.

well what you just outlined is why I doubt Space Wolf Primaris Marines wll get any changes, because they want "added flexability" to be the draw of the "tac squads and equivilants"

If you want basic line infantry to engage other line infantry and take and hold an objective, you take intercessors. If you want a bit of a jack of all trades flexable unit, you take Tac Squads/Grey Hunters.

 Crimson wrote:

Justyn wrote:

It is because Wolf Priests have never been as good at healing as Apothecaries in any edition. I would love it if they were. Hell I'd buy a Primaris Apothecary in a heartbeat. The ability to get guys back up is pretty amazing.

Speaking of which, in their webstore there is Primaris Apothecary in the SW section... Has it been there for long? The PDF still says that they cannot take one... Sucks if it is just a mistake, I'm sure plenty of people will order one imagining they can use it.

Apothecaries have always been in the Space Wolves section; presumably you paint 'em black and use them as different Wolf Priests.

Apothecaries have always been in the Space Wolves section; presumably you paint 'em black and use them as different Wolf Priests.

Which there is no Primaris version of (yet). So that doesn't work. I suspect its an oversight on whomever is in charge of the website's part. Frankly if there are no Primaris Wolf Priests in the codex, I'll be surprised and concerned. Concerned that GW is just going through the motions with Codex's again and not trying to make them fluffy and fun. We know they are willing to put units in codexs that are not coming out right away again however (see Codex IK). So just because no model gets released doesn't mean they won't be in the book.

I'm still trying to figure out why the new LT has a normal Bolter though.


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Also, these pretty much cannot be the easy build Agressors as someone was concerned about earlier. The easy builds all have their flamers extended. One of these is retracted. Easy builds don't have bare heads, these do. Easy builds have built on shoulders, these have molded on SW symbols. They might be an all new set of easy builds. But I doubt it.

Man you marine players can take a topic about some perfectly nice Genestealer Cult new sculpts and turn it into a whinefest.

Sooooo Abominant and Aberrants look amazing, assuming they are multi part and the stop sign aberrant comes from this kit too. Thats a really exciting box and great value if you can split off the marine half.
I'm down for 3 sets already. Very excited.

Man you marine players can take a topic about some perfectly nice Genestealer Cult new sculpts and turn it into a whinefest.

Not sure what you are talking about. I'm expressing my opinion, like you.

Marine kits should be pretty easy to unload. Just don't expect too high a price. Probably better if you can find someone ahead of time who wants them and will pay for half the box. w

Sneggy wrote:
Man you marine players can take a topic about some perfectly nice Genestealer Cult new sculpts and turn it into a whinefest.

Sooooo Abominant and Aberrants look amazing, assuming they are multi part and the stop sign aberrant comes from this kit too. Thats a really exciting box and great value if you can split off the marine half.
I'm down for 3 sets already. Very excited.

Of course topic isn't about genestealer cult sculpts but about battle boxed set that contains those AND wolves.

 Yodhrin wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
Nah just there's always been that small number of people who haven't gotten over the introduction of primaris Marines. there always will be. I used to play Battletech, to this day there are people who insist anything that came after the 3025 era is garbage. and that ended in 1990.

It's almost like people have tastes and preferences, and that not everyone's tastes and preferences are driven entirely by whatever is newest and shiniest. Stunning! I must report this discovery to the Royal Society at once.

there's a differance between "I'm not a fan of this" and "THIS IS HORRIABLE! IT'S AN INSULT! IF YOU LIKE THIS YOU'RE JUST A SHEEP!" etc

People around here really need to get into the habit of typing what they actually mean to say, rather than expecting telepathy from everyone else.

That aside, the reality is the latter sentiment is never as common as folk argue it is. What is common is people reading far more emotion and emphasis into what people they disagree with say than is actually there, in order to preserve their own mental image of "the other" as irrational and unreasonable, thus validating their own opinions. I assure you, the vast majority of what you read as spittle-flecked swivel-eyed ranting & raving is in reality just people expressing disappointment, mild annoyance, or making jokes at the expense of something they find faintly ridiculous.

Please... let's be honest with each other. There is enough <REMOVED> over things like Primaris marines and rule changes(usually for the better) on here to start DakkaDakkas own Astronomican so aliens can know their loathing of toy soldiers.

ArmchairArbiter wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
Nah just there's always been that small number of people who haven't gotten over the introduction of primaris Marines. there always will be. I used to play Battletech, to this day there are people who insist anything that came after the 3025 era is garbage. and that ended in 1990.

It's almost like people have tastes and preferences, and that not everyone's tastes and preferences are driven entirely by whatever is newest and shiniest. Stunning! I must report this discovery to the Royal Society at once.

there's a differance between "I'm not a fan of this" and "THIS IS HORRIABLE! IT'S AN INSULT! IF YOU LIKE THIS YOU'RE JUST A SHEEP!" etc

People around here really need to get into the habit of typing what they actually mean to say, rather than expecting telepathy from everyone else.

That aside, the reality is the latter sentiment is never as common as folk argue it is. What is common is people reading far more emotion and emphasis into what people they disagree with say than is actually there, in order to preserve their own mental image of "the other" as irrational and unreasonable, thus validating their own opinions. I assure you, the vast majority of what you read as spittle-flecked swivel-eyed ranting & raving is in reality just people expressing disappointment, mild annoyance, or making jokes at the expense of something they find faintly ridiculous.

Please... let's be honest with each other. There is enough <REMOVED> over things like Primaris marines and rule changes(usually for the better) on here to start DakkaDakkas own Astronomican so aliens can know their loathing of toy soldiers.

Hmm.

In this hand, people who dislike things to do with their hobby and say so.

In this hand, a person who uses a disorder as a slur, right to the face of someone who has it.

Which is the bad person? I just don't know, it's impossible to tell, a complete conundrum

That high ground you've attempted to climb there looks more like a kerb.

Surprised this has not been shared yet.

The box wil be £90. That is a very good price and cheaper than buying either half individually.

Chikout wrote:
Surprised this has not been shared yet.

The box wil be £90. That is a very good price and cheaper than buying either half individually.

Forgebane was 90GBP/160USD. If Tooth and Claw is 90GBP, it'll probably be 150-155USD. Assuming 150 and a 20% discount, that's only ~60 bucks per person for each half when sharing a box. Not too shabby.

 Kriswall wrote:

Chikout wrote:
Surprised this has not been shared yet.

The box wil be £90. That is a very good price and cheaper than buying either half individually.

Forgebane was 90GBP/160USD. If Tooth and Claw is 90GBP, it'll probably be 150-155USD. Assuming 150 and a 20% discount, that's only ~60 bucks per person for each half when sharing a box. Not too shabby.

Only thing I could immediately find at 90GBP is the Harbingers of Decay Patrol Detachment--which comes out to $145USD.

Forgebane was 90GBP/160USD. If Tooth and Claw is 90GBP, it'll probably be 150-155USD. Assuming 150 and a 20% discount, that's only ~60 bucks per person for each half when sharing a box. Not too shabby.

Based on the most recent releases Adeptus Titanicus, GWs exchange rate is 1.7 to 1.75 (warlord edition and knights respectively). That would make 90 pounds around 155.

Definitely the first guy.

Chikout wrote:
Surprised this has not been shared yet.

The box wil be £90. That is a very good price and cheaper than buying either half individually.

So basically it's like buying a GSC Acolyte box and getting all the other models free!

 Yodhrin wrote:

Which is the bad person? I just don't know, it's impossible to tell, a complete conundrum

That high ground you've attempted to climb there looks more like a kerb.

Your recent posts haven't exactly been claiming the 'high ground' either, I can see /r/iamverysmart calling your name. You both might want to walk away from this one.

 Yodhrin wrote:
In this hand, people who dislike things to do with their hobby and say so.

In this hand, a person who uses a disorder as a slur, right to the face of someone who has it.

Which is the bad person? I just don't know, it's impossible to tell, a complete conundrum

That high ground you've attempted to climb there looks more like a kerb.

I like how you try and nitpick the way the message was presented to desperately not answer the message itself (what fallacy is that again?). He is 100% right, most primaris criticism verges so far into a deep end there is no reasonable way of addressing it. The word choice might have been kinda harsh, but I can see why people are tired of it, especially seeing 90% of "criticism" is about invented things from 4chan echo chamber that exist only in basher's imagination and thus have no possible counterarguments.

Also, 'dislike'? Seeing the 'disliking' messages were full of red mod edits, perhaps a look in mirror would be warranted. You know, straw, eye, log, etc. Do it honestly and you might climb out of that Somme era trench, and then you can start talking about high grounds

 BrookM wrote:
This topic is for the discussion of an upcoming release, not another place to rant about the like / dislike of the Primaris.

Next person to keep the tangent going gets time off.

Justyn wrote:

Forgebane was 90GBP/160USD. If Tooth and Claw is 90GBP, it'll probably be 150-155USD. Assuming 150 and a 20% discount, that's only ~60 bucks per person for each half when sharing a box. Not too shabby.

Based on the most recent releases Adeptus Titanicus, GWs exchange rate is 1.7 to 1.75 (warlord edition and knights respectively). That would make 90 pounds around 155.

You don't look at exchange rate, you look at product prices.

Find something that's 90GBP and then go from there.

You missed the point. finding something from 6months or a year or 5 years ago will not tell you what they will price something at now. Looking at what they mark things up recently will.

Justyn wrote:
You missed the point. finding something from 6months or a year or 5 years ago will not tell you what they will price something at now. Looking at what they mark things up recently will.

Given that the price brackets themselves have changed over the years as a reflection of this, you'd think that you would understand that older products don't tend to be in the ranges of new ones.

Looking at the marine half and it would be nice to see it boxed as a primaris start collecting in the future.

What does this mean for the Genestealer Cult Codex? Is it coming out before the Ork Codex now? Or will GSC have to wait until after Orktober to have an updated codex for these fancy new models?

Either way I am really hoping for some news about rules for Space Wolves tomorrow. Especially if I am meant to pre-order a Codex this coming Saturday.

ArmchairArbiter wrote:
What does this mean for the Genestealer Cult Codex? Is it coming out before the Ork Codex now? Or will GSC have to wait until after Orktober to have an updated codex for these fancy new models?

Either way I am really hoping for some news about rules for Space Wolves tomorrow. Especially if I am meant to pre-order a Codex this coming Saturday.

We've known that the Ork and SW codexes were coming out close together, and that the GSC Codex was coming after. We've also known that we were getting some GSC kits BEFORE the codex comes out. It was all in that article on WarCom a few.. months (?) ago.

Also, they only said that Tooth and Claw was getting it's pre-order this weekend. Nothing about the Codex as far as I have seen.