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 TedNugent wrote:
Really? When's the codex release.

Early November, but that's somehow still in October if you listen to the people around here

 NurglesR0T wrote:
Well, the preorder for the codex is in October so does that count?

Negative.

 TedNugent wrote:
Really? When's the codex release.

Comes preorder saturday so october release. You are aware right it's preorder date that counts?


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 TedNugent wrote:

 NurglesR0T wrote:
Well, the preorder for the codex is in October so does that count?

Negative.

So you have been out of loop for years missing how gw does things. That's bad on you

seems like there's some talk about leaked points re:stompa. Did I miss something while I was away from the keyboard?

tneva82 wrote:

 TedNugent wrote:
Really? When's the codex release.

Comes preorder saturday so october release. You are aware right it's preorder date that counts?


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 TedNugent wrote:

 NurglesR0T wrote:
Well, the preorder for the codex is in October so does that count?

Negative.

So you have been out of loop for years missing how gw does things. That's bad on you

You're a funny guy.

No, I've been waiting since 2012 for a new codex.

I'm well aware of the way GW does things.

I would say something like "kids are so impatient and can't wait for anything anymore", but like, warhammer is an old manz game

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Lol, the terrain is a big hit I see. B&K already adjusted the price of it up and the buggies down.

They did? They were £10 for each terrain sprue when I first logged in, and that wasn't long after the E-mail was sent out.

 TedNugent wrote:


You're a funny guy.

No, I've been waiting since 2012 for a new codex.

I'm well aware of the way GW does things.

Well in that case you should know GW counts PREORDER date as to which month it goes. You would also know that as october WD was leaked well ahead there was 0 chance of orks before 13th. There was 3 days orks codex could be put on preorder and count as october release. 13th, 20th, 27th. Speed freaks would be coming first and codex later. That makes it 20th or 27th. Only thing of surprise was thus commander release. Even then codex comes in time for october release as anybody who has paid half the attention to GW's release system would know

Anybody know the new point cost of Boyz?

tneva82 wrote:

Well in that case you should know GW counts PREORDER date as to which month it goes. You would also know that as october WD was leaked well ahead there was 0 chance of orks before 13th. There was 3 days orks codex could be put on preorder and count as october release. 13th, 20th, 27th. Speed freaks would be coming first and codex later. That makes it 20th or 27th. Only thing of surprise was thus commander release. Even then codex comes in time for october release as anybody who has paid half the attention to GW's release system would know

wow, i didn't realize GW does the exact same thing for other releases. they must've named a month after the eldar release and then said the month will be filled with eldar stuff. i guess the same goes for tau/admek/greyknights etc. man, i must've not realy paid any attention becasue i was not aware they had a necromarch!

sarcasm over
you keep trying to predict what ork players should've expected from this release, yet GW has done nothing similar for any other faction. maybe i missed something. feel free to come back to the discussion with some evidence that GW has done anything similar in any way to what they've done for us.

in the end they made it seem like orctober was for orks, and all we got was a box game, our codex and the rest of our models were slated for November. maybe GW should've shut their mouth instead of making promises/expectations they were not going to keep.

GW did not expect the Speed Freeks kit to leak so early. The first pictures came out in August, two months before the preferred reveal date.

Orktober has definitely been a flop and I certainly agree that GW over-hyped it.

tneva82 wrote:

 TedNugent wrote:


You're a funny guy.

No, I've been waiting since 2012 for a new codex.

I'm well aware of the way GW does things.

Well in that case you should know GW counts PREORDER date as to which month it goes. You would also know that as october WD was leaked well ahead there was 0 chance of orks before 13th. There was 3 days orks codex could be put on preorder and count as october release. 13th, 20th, 27th. Speed freaks would be coming first and codex later. That makes it 20th or 27th. Only thing of surprise was thus commander release. Even then codex comes in time for october release as anybody who has paid half the attention to GW's release system would know

There was still a chance it released sooner than November based on the beasts release.

You're still stating possibility as fact but on this occasion it works as you were proven right. However, you could have as easily been wrong.

With regards the WD leak it consisted of 2 pages, it could have contained more than it did...

Please stop posting like this...

Sorry if i'm out of the loop, but how do we know the info the french guys have are real and not just really good, educated guesses?

Odd, to me it's been Orktober since August lol. Just release the damn fungi already.

FunJohn wrote:
Sorry if i'm out of the loop, but how do we know the info the french guys have are real and not just really good, educated guesses?

How would you ever know? But they've predicted Ork stuff that seems to check out, and they predicted some things with the Deathwatch codex and Imperial Knights codex as well. They seem legit. I do hope they mixed up the rukkatrukk squigbuggy and the kustom boosta-blasta though. That would even make more sense because the KBB is only 5PL but the squigbuggy is 7PL which would translate to 140ish points.. The squigbuggy would be terrible at 140 points but so would all the buggies and since that one is already confirmed at 7PL let's hope there's only one buggy at that price point

FunJohn wrote:
Sorry if i'm out of the loop, but how do we know the info the french guys have are real and not just really good, educated guesses?

They have good rep from previous leaks and so far their info has been tracking down including names. Bloody good educated guesses if they managed to guess names correctly! The fact they leaked names which proved to be true gives tons of credibility to their info.

FunJohn wrote:
Sorry if i'm out of the loop, but how do we know the info the french guys have are real and not just really good, educated guesses?

They already have the codex in their hand since one or two weeks i think. They said the ork faction codex video will be released saturday. (or maybe it's a bat rep' i don't remember.)

I've asked in the chat if he is sure about the 140 points, but he has not yet responded.

PiñaColada wrote:
I do hope they mixed up the rukkatrukk squigbuggy and the kustom boosta-blasta though.

That's a real possibility. For us frenchies (even for those who speak english), the new nomenclature used by GW is pretty hard to learn. And since the names are not translated in french anymore, it's even more confusing...

French Wargame Studios have a perfect track record though, so one of our vehicles definitely costs 140pts.

In the Signals from the frontline #613 Reece states that the waaagh banner gives you +1 to hit. (Aound 11 minutes in) so it seems like it's unchanged, unless he's mistaken. But a lot of people thought that maybe the banner would change because of the somewhat overlap with da lukky stikk.

Edit: He also states the Meganobz got a BIG point drop and that they'd ruin a lot of peoples day

Edit 2: He also mentions Da Jump and Warpath and says that they're really strong, so it seems like they are still in the codex at the very least

Edit 3: He reiterates that the Bad Moons stratagem is "really, really good"

PiñaColada wrote:
In the Signals from the frontline #613 Reece states that the waaagh banner gives you +1 to hit. (Aound 11 minutes in) so it seems like it's unchanged, unless he's mistaken. But a lot of people thought that maybe the banner would change because of the somewhat overlap with da lukky stikk.

Edit: He also states the Meganobz got a BIG point drop and that they'd ruin a lot of peoples day

As if there never would be 2 sources for +1/-1 noooo ;-)

And Reece and his "this is going to rock". Stompa anyone? We also have French guys specifically calling out meganobz as still junk didn't we? Unless I misremember that I'll take their words over "Stompa is going to be so awesome" Reece. Then again he's IG player isn't he? Awesome target practice for IG so guess he wasn't wrong after all...

Jeez, the stompa thing again? Yeah, that was dumb. Maybe the meganobz still suck, but this is still more nuggets of info than we already had. Also, Reece does play Orks (maybe that makes the Stompa thing worse though)

PiñaColada wrote:
Jeez, the stompa thing again? Yeah, that was dumb. Maybe the meganobz still suck, but this is still more nuggets of info than we already had. Also, Reece does play Orks (maybe that makes the Stompa thing worse though)

If we have contradicting claims and one on provenly unreliable source whom do you believe? The provenly unreliable source? Why would you do that? I go for the most reliable source whenever there's 2 conflicting information and Reece is NOT reliable source regarding orks. Stompa isn't even only thing his claims are off.

But yeah go ahead and believe the more unreliable source over reliable sources if you feel like. I would have some souls to sell if you are interested.

I'm not saying you should believe him. I'm saying he's saying this, filter it out if you want to. At the same time I feel like a big points drop doesn't necessarily equate to MANZ being good, but apart from how much you value the word big in that sentence it's also not an opinion

PiñaColada wrote:
Jeez, the stompa thing again? Yeah, that was dumb. Maybe the meganobz still suck, but this is still more nuggets of info than we already had. Also, Reece does play Orks (maybe that makes the Stompa thing worse though)

i like reece, but unfortunately he will probably never live that snafu down. whenever he brings up an opnion on orks anyone can simply bring up this instance. now admittedly there could've been many factors that lead him to think the stompa was awesome (maybe he only played orks against bad index armies/bad match ups) but hindsight is a face eating squig. now that we know as much as we can about the index it was very apparent he knew very little at the time.

the only real way he can get this off his case is do a type of apology "i didn't know enough at the time yadda yadda yadda" and then state something about the new codex orks that can be proven later to be very valid.

until then everything he says is suspect and the evidence will always be the "stompa thing".

i think this snafu got blown out of proportion due to his place in the hobby. he is part of ITC and they now have big ties to GW and even participated in play testing. not only are they under scrutiny for balance of a large portion of the worlds tournaments but they are also under suspicion of being shills for GW. anything wrong they do/say is going to be enhanced and paraded about for the whole community to ridicule. its unfortunate but inevitable for reactions and stigmas like this to stick to him.

Stompa, grots. It's not like he was wrong in just that one. Multiple things he claimed were proven to be false even before nobody got to try out index first time. It's pretty obvious he didn't do any kind of simple mathhammer let alone take model out on field before making conclusion. Likely just looked at W40 and went "wow 40 wounds" before even thinking how fast that goes out with no inv save. Or maybe he had no point costs in his playtesting version so assumed it was more like 400 pts model rather than 1000 pts model.

If you have ever read any codex review from FLG, you know how to read Reece's comments on units. The worst evaluation a unit can get is "great in the right situation" - so unless he calls something highly competitive, do not assume too much.

There also is the issue of orks working vastly different than most other armies, so many bloggers make assumptions based on how a unit would perform in an army they actually do play.

Always check if the person giving their opinion on a unit actually plays orks regularly.

tneva82 wrote:
Stompa, grots. It's not like he was wrong in just that one. Multiple things he claimed were proven to be false even before nobody got to try out index first time. It's pretty obvious he didn't do any kind of simple mathhammer let alone take model out on field before making conclusion. Likely just looked at W40 and went "wow 40 wounds" before even thinking how fast that goes out with no inv save. Or maybe he had no point costs in his playtesting version so assumed it was more like 400 pts model rather than 1000 pts model.

Or that time he said necrons were really strong.
Yeah, sure, a faction who has has to rely on on expensive, specialized units to deal with certain threats, overall limited options, expensive characters and models, short ranged buffs that aren't even good and who's army gimmick can be easily negated by a savvy opponent is strong.

Yep. He gets stuff right with IG but track record outside IG is really dubious. Thus whenever he says "this is going to be awesome" that's not IG I take it with huge grain of salt. If other source disagrees then Reece's opinion on unit can go to the bin where it belongs.

tneva82 wrote:
If we have contradicting claims and one on provenly unreliable source whom do you believe? The provenly unreliable source?

I know internet doesn't work like that but you know, "1 data point" =/= "proven"