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Day two doesn’t usually have anything new except golden demon. They sometimes put mini from the previews into the display cases.

 Davespil wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
you need to put a lot more primer on a red or blue coloured plastic than on a grey one. And I don't like to put a lot of primer on my minis, as i find it affects the quality of my painting

A good primer won't affect the detail on plastic miniatures. Like anything, you get what you pay for. Cheap primer does a cheap job. GW primer is a little expensive in comparison to stuff like Army Painter, but I have always found the end result is worth the extra cost, especially on the colored primer.

I like P3 primer better. And it's a bit cheaper than GW's.

I find auto-primers do as good a job if not better than any 'wargaming' branded primers. Cheaper too.

Chikout wrote:
Day two doesn’t usually have anything new except golden demon. They sometimes put mini from the previews into the display cases.

Aye but its the day to corner staff and use such nefarious torture implements such as a comfy chair, fluffy cushions and a free drink to prise details out of them!

Indeed. Chatting to the peeps in the studio areas, outside of the Seminars can get interesting nuggets of info. Like when we first found out (well, I did, because I broke the news :p) that AT was going into a new scale...

Fingers crossed somebody gets info out of them about darkoath barbarians, blood bowl lizardmen, and non landmarine mortals for AoS...

Some pics for you to enjoy. You can download all the pics i snapped here : http://www.p5freak.de/WF2018.zip (60 megs)

Imagining the guy saying "I'll pick my GME order at Warhammer Fest in Dusseldorf, guys"


@p5freak, thanks for the pics

Wonder if a Warhammerfest USA is now an inevitability, what with the Cafe and that.

Mendi Warrior wrote:

Spoiler:

So that's where all the stock went!

Great photos p5freak! Thanks for sharing them!

I wonder if the wall of AT survive the weekend!?

 xttz wrote:

Mendi Warrior wrote:

Spoiler:

So that's where all the stock went!

Am I the only one wondering what the woman with the pram swapped her offspring for?

Please refrain from requoting big pictures..

 silverstu wrote:


Am I the only one wondering what the woman with the pram swapped her offspring for?

Swapping a mini-titan for tinier ones

 JohnnyHell wrote:


Well, apart from...

Spoiler:

...which shows the exact same bolter. And is from May.

Why is it that GW (the self proclaimed best miniature maker in the world), can produce such amazing intricate detail on models, yet we still get these dumb bolters with no hole in the end.

 silverstu wrote:

 xttz wrote:

Mendi Warrior wrote:

Spoiler:

So that's where all the stock went!

Am I the only one wondering what the woman with the pram swapped her offspring for?

And now you finally know why Germans go extinct right after the Japanese. She exchanged her crawler for a walker.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:


Why is it that GW (the self proclaimed best miniature maker in the world), can produce such amazing intricate detail on models, yet we still get these dumb bolters with no hole in the end.

Mold and/or model complexity.

Not that it can't be done, but it's unlikely to be cost effective to implement.

 inflatablefriend wrote:

 Gimgamgoo wrote:


Why is it that GW (the self proclaimed best miniature maker in the world), can produce such amazing intricate detail on models, yet we still get these dumb bolters with no hole in the end.

Mold and/or model complexity.

Not that it can't be done, but it's unlikely to be cost effective to implement.

Indeed, it would require slide moulding, something GW reserves for special kits only.

There were at least 100 models shown in the golden demon competition, the level of detail was absolutely insane. This one was the best, IMHO. The banner is probably hand painted

 BrookM wrote:

 inflatablefriend wrote:

 Gimgamgoo wrote:


Why is it that GW (the self proclaimed best miniature maker in the world), can produce such amazing intricate detail on models, yet we still get these dumb bolters with no hole in the end.

Mold and/or model complexity.

Not that it can't be done, but it's unlikely to be cost effective to implement.

Indeed, it would require slide moulding, something GW reserves for special kits only.

Or making the barrels two-part, like on the Horus Heresy combi-bolters, but those are a pain to glue without destroying details or getting overspill.

tneva82 wrote:
Something to do with rarity what with being experimental weapon. Not every legion has them. Read bit of HH fluff one day and then start the real game for those that want good rules.

By 'real game', you mean 8th?

Or is that some subtle joke on combination of worst rule set that GW had ever produced and utter inability by FW to balance it despite literally everyone being a MEQ?

 sockwithaticket wrote:
In 30k it's not an established weapon, only BA have it and it's not jusxt for their Leviathans. It shouldn't be made available to anyone else in 30k.

In 40k Leviathans are chapter relics, you don't get permission to toy around with those and bolt on different wepaons. Tech-heresy!

Ergo, assault cannons on Leviathans stay BA.

Yeah, because the only example of the relic Leviathan we have (the Red Scorpion one) totally has standard, 'holy' loadout.

Oh, wait, it doesn't And to make things even funnier the addition was literally a pair of assault cannons...

 sockwithaticket wrote:
Other chapters in 40k don't have permission to just go sticking assault cannons on their predators like the BA have, so why should they get to do it to a 30k era relic?

Tell that to that random Black Templar techie who decided welding a bunch of bolters to Land Raider is a good idea. And if anything, LR ranks higher than Predator on relic rank list.

Also, you're wrong. See the blurb here, it outright states others were so butthurt by BA decision to not share Baal they decided to bolt toghether their own copy, and arguably even better one. No permission you say?

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 BrookM wrote:

 inflatablefriend wrote:

 Gimgamgoo wrote:


Why is it that GW (the self proclaimed best miniature maker in the world), can produce such amazing intricate detail on models, yet we still get these dumb bolters with no hole in the end.

Mold and/or model complexity.

Not that it can't be done, but it's unlikely to be cost effective to implement.

Indeed, it would require slide moulding, something GW reserves for special kits only.

Or making the barrels two-part, like on the Horus Heresy combi-bolters, but those are a pain to glue without destroying details or getting overspill.

Agreed, sometimes higher detail can be a nightmare to work with when it comes to the practicalities of assembly. Heck I hate how a lot of warhammer models have joins at the mid-arm. It's a nightmare getting the two halves to line up - sure it gives a better shoulder than a ball and socket join; but its a LOT harder to get flush

 Irbis wrote:
By 'real game', you mean 8th?

 Irbis wrote:
Oh, wait, it doesn't And to make things even funnier the addition was literally a pair of assault cannons...

 Irbis wrote:
Also, you're wrong. See the blurb here, it outright states others were so butthurt by BA decision to not share Baal they decided to bolt toghether their own copy, and arguably even better one. No permission you say?

Do you have any other posting style besides obnoxiously belittling everyone you talk to?

 Irbis wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Something to do with rarity what with being experimental weapon. Not every legion has them. Read bit of HH fluff one day and then start the real game for those that want good rules.

By 'real game', you mean 8th?

That unbalanced mess of game with illogical rules that don't even work? The game that's flat out impossible to play without house ruling? The game you can't even shoot basic weapon without house rules? (Literally. Rules break down if you try to follow them as written)Nah i talk about games done by real game designers rather than amateurs that are in gw main studio.

Dudes, plenty of threads to go wave e-peens in... this thread is for Warhammer Fest pics and chatter, not comparing dic... rulesets.

 Irbis wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Something to do with rarity what with being experimental weapon. Not every legion has them. Read bit of HH fluff one day and then start the real game for those that want good rules.

By 'real game', you mean 8th?

Or is that some subtle joke on combination of worst rule set that GW had ever produced and utter inability by FW to balance it despite literally everyone being a MEQ?

 sockwithaticket wrote:
In 30k it's not an established weapon, only BA have it and it's not jusxt for their Leviathans. It shouldn't be made available to anyone else in 30k.

In 40k Leviathans are chapter relics, you don't get permission to toy around with those and bolt on different wepaons. Tech-heresy!

Ergo, assault cannons on Leviathans stay BA.

Yeah, because the only example of the relic Leviathan we have (the Red Scorpion one) totally has standard, 'holy' loadout.

Oh, wait, it doesn't And to make things even funnier the addition was literally a pair of assault cannons...
ON

 sockwithaticket wrote:
Other chapters in 40k don't have permission to just go sticking assault cannons on their predators like the BA have, so why should they get to do it to a 30k era relic?

Tell that to that random Black Templar techie who decided welding a bunch of bolters to Land Raider is a good idea. And if anything, LR ranks higher than Predator on relic rank list.

Also, you're wrong. See the blurb here, it outright states others were so butthurt by BA decision to not share Baal they decided to bolt toghether their own copy, and arguably even better one. No permission you say?

On Culln
1 There's barely any fluff on it, none of which explains why they've given it a unique loadout nor how well it's received by Mars. It is literally the ONLY example of a Leviathan being modified.
2 The BA Leviathan has asault cannons replace the secondary armaments not the primary. This has not been replicated on anything.

All Leviathans are relics, not just the Culln one. Anything thaty survives from the 30k era is considered a relic. Almost every description of these things in IA2 states that they're highly revered and only ever taken out of the armoury in the direst of circumstances. Given all the other fluff about reverence for STCs and relic weapons (IA2 is as good a source as any), there's clearly very, very little leeway to modify things. There are a handful of exceptions, sure, but the Imperium's weapon and war machine supply chain is not run by Orks, no one has carte blanche to just start slapping weapons on things because they feel like it.

The Deimos
1) It still doesn't have assault cannons on it. My point in bringing in the Baal was that the ubiquity of assault cannons doesn't give anyone in 40k the option to just slap them on a predator.
2) It was developed back in ye olden times, it is not a 40k modification
3) The description does not explicityl state who developed it, but the heavy implication is that it was in conjunction with Mars. Y'know, the arbiters of what is and isn't sanctioned.

Certain ancient data sources speculate that the Predator Infernus was an attempt to replicate the Baal Predator STC, stubbornly held by the honoured Blood Angels and their successors, and the same conjectural sources imply the superiority of this latter design in terms of speed, armour and armament. The Machine Cult of Mars’ gall at the Blood Angels’ refusal to release this precious relic is widely known, and so the Infernus boasts a fearsome armament

Also, the underlined; yep that's clearly a definitive statement about the origins of the Deimos Infernus.

The Crusader is, like the Culln Leviathan, highly unusual in being a modern modification of an existing machine. This at least has fluff which explains they didn't just do it and everything was cool. It was approved because of the Templars openness and co-operation with Mars once they'd made it and this only after a "long debate". Created in 304 M.39, finally approved by Mars in 769 M.39. That's a looong vetting period.

Alright lads, any word on the new Imperial Armour beyond what we heard from the Open Day? (It's in for editing)

Dark days indeed when people are complaining about secondary weapons.

If you play BA in 30k you get assault cannons. Forgeworld took the initiative and just made the parts they knew every single blood angel player would convert anyways. Not everything needs a perfect fluff description, thats part of the mystery of 30/40k. Enough.

9/10 chance it gets 40k rules cause theyve been doing that a ton lately, probably so they dont get a 1000 daily emails and facebook posts of screaming people.

 sockwithaticket wrote:

1) It still doesn't have assault cannons on it. My point in bringing in the Baal was that the ubiquity of assault cannons doesn't give anyone in 40k the option to just slap them on a predator.

But that is stupid too! Everyone should be able to slap assault cannons on their Predators! You're just defending one pointless restriction by citing another pointless restriction.

I am going to the Cafe today. Was anyone there for the grand opening yesterday?

 Overread wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 BrookM wrote:

 inflatablefriend wrote:

 Gimgamgoo wrote:


Why is it that GW (the self proclaimed best miniature maker in the world), can produce such amazing intricate detail on models, yet we still get these dumb bolters with no hole in the end.

Mold and/or model complexity.

Not that it can't be done, but it's unlikely to be cost effective to implement.

Indeed, it would require slide moulding, something GW reserves for special kits only.

Or making the barrels two-part, like on the Horus Heresy combi-bolters, but those are a pain to glue without destroying details or getting overspill.

Agreed, sometimes higher detail can be a nightmare to work with when it comes to the practicalities of assembly. Heck I hate how a lot of warhammer models have joins at the mid-arm. It's a nightmare getting the two halves to line up - sure it gives a better shoulder than a ball and socket join; but its a LOT harder to get flush

Joins like that are why I use liquid cement (methylene chloride/dichloromethane);you can hold the two parts together with four fingers of one hand and brush on the stuff and it’s so thin it will wick itself into the joint to melt both surfaces. Only problem is if you accidentally hit your fingers you’ll leave prints moulded into the surface…