Warhammer {{{40k}}} Quest - Blackstone Fortress

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**H.B.M.C.**

Can't say I'm a huge fan of the miniature. Or the thought or more mono-pose mono-option figures.

And I guess we're getting xenos companions? Alright then.

Tiles save us...

**Haighus**

At least in this case you could happily paint it as scales

**Yodhrin**

JWBS wrote:
Yodhrin wrote:
Very promising, but it's the enemies that will sell me on this box - if we get Primaris-sized Chaos Marines and a selection of new & interesting gribblies then sold.

Starfarer wrote:
Thargrim wrote:
Perfect Organism wrote:
Thargrim wrote:
I'm kinda excited about this but also hesitant. GW has a bad history of supporting this kind of game.

What kind of support would you want for a game like this? It's a board game, complete in itself.

For them to keep it and its accessories available and support it in store. The hero cards for silver tower got dropped from the US webstore before I could get them. And that was a long time ago. Or at the least it feels like a while ago.

They would continue to support it if people were buying it. The cards got dropped because they stopped selling. If you didn't get around to buying them for the year they were out that's kinda on you. Seems a lot of people have these "I'll buy that one day" items that they never actually buy then get upset when GW discontinues them because they aren't selling.

No business can afford to keep dead stock either on their shelf or warehouse. I can promise you GW has a team analyzing what is selling and what isn't and they don't stop carrying something just because.

I know this is an alien concept to some people, but a few of us have to operate on this thing called a "budget" which is, shockingly, not infinite and requires we prioritise spending. Finding out about a GW product and thinking "I can treat myself to that at next Christmas/[insert alternative festive event here]", then being disappointed when it randomly vanishes a few months later is hardly unreasonable.

Besides which - forget all the back & forth about whether or not GW was justified in removing items like this from sale entirely, or what the real point of Direct Only is if it doesn't actually result in GW keeping niche stuff up for sale: why does keeping this stuff available have to mean selling the physical objects? They're cards, so have The Office Intern spend an afternoon bodging the source files together into a print-ready PDF and give us that instead - no stock to keep on hand, no logistics to care about, and barely any effort whatsoever. I mean hell, GW used to do that with whole rulebooks and give them away for free, these days they could probably get away with selling people the cards and yet they just dump them.

There are always ways GW could keep supporting these systems, they just don't want to, and that's what folk object to.

Hey man I get you. Like most people, I'm constrained by finite financial resources. I wonder though, do you have the same concept of "lack of support" when say, Ikea stops selling the table lamps that match the rug in your bedroom? Or do you just shrug your shoulders, like most people, and think "Maybe I should have bought it while I could."? In a way, Ikea are dropping support for the aesthetic that you've bought into, but can you criticise this decision on their part, whether or not your own personal budget has a bearing on your purchasing decisions?

Yes, because those two things are entirely equivalent.

Come on man, at least put some vague effort into your snark.

Or, you know, really stretch yourself and attempt to counter the argument rather than strapping some Dakkajet engines to those goalposts and going for a joyride.

**streetsamurai**

incredible model. Hopefully this precipice thing will play the role towns and cities did in the old quest. Really thrilled for this one

**amazingturtles**

sockwithaticket wrote:
A bit more hair, paint it blonde and I think we have 40k Lord Flashheart

Ha, yes. Perfection.

**streetsamurai**

Hope the guy is smoking obscura. Would really fit the decadent noble theme he has

**Col Hammer**

amazingturtles wrote:
sockwithaticket wrote:
A bit more hair, paint it blonde and I think we have 40k Lord Flashheart

Ha, yes. Perfection.

I was a bit lukewarm towards the model, but now that you have injected that image into my brain I cannot unsee it.

Best. Model. Ever.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Did anyone else notice the cone headed Xenos in the animation?

Gonna have another peep, see if I can spy more.

**JoeRugby**

sockwithaticket wrote:
A bit more hair, paint it blonde and I think we have 40k Lord Flashheart

Must be done

**Kid_Kyoto**

Manchu wrote:
That’s Devlin Waugh!

EDIT: oops, looks like MDG already noted

Y'all gonna have to help me out here... who?

**Ghaz**

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Manchu wrote:
That’s Devlin Waugh!

EDIT: oops, looks like MDG already noted

Y'all gonna have to help me out here... who?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devlin_Waugh

**GoatboyBeta**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Just realised.

That’s Devlin Waugh, that is! How delightful!

Nah not buff enough for old Dev.

sockwithaticket wrote:A bit more hair, paint it blonde and I think we have 40k Lord Flashheart

This. I shall steal this

**JWBS**

Yodhrin wrote:
JWBS wrote:
Yodhrin wrote:
Very promising, but it's the enemies that will sell me on this box - if we get Primaris-sized Chaos Marines and a selection of new & interesting gribblies then sold.

Starfarer wrote:
Thargrim wrote:
Perfect Organism wrote:
Thargrim wrote:
I'm kinda excited about this but also hesitant. GW has a bad history of supporting this kind of game.

What kind of support would you want for a game like this? It's a board game, complete in itself.

For them to keep it and its accessories available and support it in store. The hero cards for silver tower got dropped from the US webstore before I could get them. And that was a long time ago. Or at the least it feels like a while ago.

They would continue to support it if people were buying it. The cards got dropped because they stopped selling. If you didn't get around to buying them for the year they were out that's kinda on you. Seems a lot of people have these "I'll buy that one day" items that they never actually buy then get upset when GW discontinues them because they aren't selling.

No business can afford to keep dead stock either on their shelf or warehouse. I can promise you GW has a team analyzing what is selling and what isn't and they don't stop carrying something just because.

I know this is an alien concept to some people, but a few of us have to operate on this thing called a "budget" which is, shockingly, not infinite and requires we prioritise spending. Finding out about a GW product and thinking "I can treat myself to that at next Christmas/[insert alternative festive event here]", then being disappointed when it randomly vanishes a few months later is hardly unreasonable.

Besides which - forget all the back & forth about whether or not GW was justified in removing items like this from sale entirely, or what the real point of Direct Only is if it doesn't actually result in GW keeping niche stuff up for sale: why does keeping this stuff available have to mean selling the physical objects? They're cards, so have The Office Intern spend an afternoon bodging the source files together into a print-ready PDF and give us that instead - no stock to keep on hand, no logistics to care about, and barely any effort whatsoever. I mean hell, GW used to do that with whole rulebooks and give them away for free, these days they could probably get away with selling people the cards and yet they just dump them.

There are always ways GW could keep supporting these systems, they just don't want to, and that's what folk object to.

Hey man I get you. Like most people, I'm constrained by finite financial resources. I wonder though, do you have the same concept of "lack of support" when say, Ikea stops selling the table lamps that match the rug in your bedroom? Or do you just shrug your shoulders, like most people, and think "Maybe I should have bought it while I could."? In a way, Ikea are dropping support for the aesthetic that you've bought into, but can you criticise this decision on their part, whether or not your own personal budget has a bearing on your purchasing decisions?

Yes, because those two things are entirely equivalent.

Come on man, at least put some vague effort into your snark.

Or, you know, really stretch yourself and attempt to counter the argument rather than strapping some Dakkajet engines to those goalposts and going for a joyride.

Ok. You seem entirely too hostile. I wasn't going for snark at all, but whatever. Edit / If you really can't shake your snese of entitlement and expect GW to ignore the rules of commerce that we generally accept from other retailers, I suggest you "spend an afternoon bodging the source files together into a print-ready PDF". Or maybe try ebay.

**Irbis**

That decoration on globe thingy on his belt looks suspiciously similar to skull on 'Fax shoulder pad:

Spoiler:

**BertBert**

He even lifts his smoking pinky ... simply fabulous.

**fresus**

I'm quite puzzled by the timing. Normally we get next week's pre-order list on Sunday, then daily articles the following week.
On top of that, we get the occasional tease at a long term release. That's what the first Blackstone Fortress video was, and what we got yesterday with the couple lines basically saying "it's coming in the next couple months".

But here we have an article that looks exactly like the ones we have in the week leading to the pre-order. Since there isn't much to tease about this Saturday's pre-orders (just terrain packs), can we assume this article is a filler, and we'll get teases about Blackstone Fortress over the next two weeks, for a Nov 10 pre-order?

**lord_blackfang**

fresus wrote:
I'm quite puzzled by the timing. Normally we get next week's pre-order list on Sunday, then daily articles the following week.
On top of that, we get the occasional tease at a long term release. That's what the first Blackstone Fortress video was, and what we got yesterday with the couple lines basically saying "it's coming in the next couple months".

But here we have an article that looks exactly like the ones we have in the week leading to the pre-order. Since there isn't much to tease about this Saturday's pre-orders (just terrain packs), can we assume this article is a filler, and we'll get teases about Blackstone Fortress over the next two weeks, for a Nov 10 pre-order?

It's to break up the Ork codex discussion.

**Abadabadoobaddon**

Manchu wrote:
That’s Devlin Waugh!

EDIT: oops, looks like MDG already noted

Positively BEASTLY!

**Togusa**

Kriswall wrote:
Voss wrote:
Flinty wrote:
Is it dead though? It seems to.still.have eyeballs...

That's true of most taxidermy.

The Adeptes Taxidermes preserves the actual eyes in a localized stasis field.

Oh sweet, when does this codex come out?

**Daedalus81**

fresus wrote:
I'm quite puzzled by the timing. Normally we get next week's pre-order list on Sunday, then daily articles the following week.
On top of that, we get the occasional tease at a long term release. That's what the first Blackstone Fortress video was, and what we got yesterday with the couple lines basically saying "it's coming in the next couple months".

But here we have an article that looks exactly like the ones we have in the week leading to the pre-order. Since there isn't much to tease about this Saturday's pre-orders (just terrain packs), can we assume this article is a filler, and we'll get teases about Blackstone Fortress over the next two weeks, for a Nov 10 pre-order?

There was a small leak and they now respond by releasing more controlled and higher quality info.

Just like how there was a leak of Looted Vehicles and an article popped up right after.

Whether or not you ascribe to the theory that GW does the leaks so they can put up articles is up to you.

**Ghaz**

fresus wrote:
I'm quite puzzled by the timing. Normally we get next week's pre-order list on Sunday, then daily articles the following week.
On top of that, we get the occasional tease at a long term release. That's what the first Blackstone Fortress video was, and what we got yesterday with the couple lines basically saying "it's coming in the next couple months".

But here we have an article that looks exactly like the ones we have in the week leading to the pre-order. Since there isn't much to tease about this Saturday's pre-orders (just terrain packs), can we assume this article is a filler, and we'll get teases about Blackstone Fortress over the next two weeks, for a Nov 10 pre-order?

We know what's up for pre-order this weekend thanks to those who already have the new White Dwarf. No idea why GW hasn't mentioned it on Warhammer Community unless they want it to be a 'surprise'. From Lady Atia via War of Sigmar:

Spoiler:

**Kanluwen**

fresus wrote:
I'm quite puzzled by the timing. Normally we get next week's pre-order list on Sunday, then daily articles the following week.
On top of that, we get the occasional tease at a long term release. That's what the first Blackstone Fortress video was, and what we got yesterday with the couple lines basically saying "it's coming in the next couple months".

But here we have an article that looks exactly like the ones we have in the week leading to the pre-order. Since there isn't much to tease about this Saturday's pre-orders (just terrain packs), can we assume this article is a filler, and we'll get teases about Blackstone Fortress over the next two weeks, for a Nov 10 pre-order?

Bigger stuff like this sometimes gets weeks, if not a full month of tease.

This showed off one character. There's more to see. I'm guessing something like November 17th preorders, December 1st release--allows for two weeks of preorders and skips over the US Thanksgiving holiday weekend.

**Abadabadoobaddon**

Ghaz wrote:
fresus wrote:
I'm quite puzzled by the timing. Normally we get next week's pre-order list on Sunday, then daily articles the following week.
On top of that, we get the occasional tease at a long term release. That's what the first Blackstone Fortress video was, and what we got yesterday with the couple lines basically saying "it's coming in the next couple months".

But here we have an article that looks exactly like the ones we have in the week leading to the pre-order. Since there isn't much to tease about this Saturday's pre-orders (just terrain packs), can we assume this article is a filler, and we'll get teases about Blackstone Fortress over the next two weeks, for a Nov 10 pre-order?

We know what's up for pre-order this weekend thanks to those who already have the new White Dwarf. No idea why GW hasn't mentioned it on Warhammer Community unless they want it to be a 'surprise'. From Lady Atia via War of Sigmar:

Spoiler:

Are these the space marines that were released in Japan? The last of the non-primaris?

**Chikout**

I think they are building to a full reveal at blood and glory on Friday. It is probable that the 40k weekender will be preorder week, which would be too late for a first reveal.

I think the rogue trader looks awesome.
I am surprised people are surprised we are getting mono-pose figures. In terms of minis this will follow the same format as silver tower, rogue trader, Dark imperium, space hulk etc. The hints towards Kroot and Eldar rangers are also very exciting.

One of the more interesting hints is the inclusion of the Precipice itself. Hopefully this location will give players the chance for character progression that many felt was lacking from Silver tower.

**Danny76**

Yeah. This, Realms of Chaos, new Blood Bowl, Delaque.
They will all be revealed at Blood & Glory

**The Phazer**

Yeah, I'm not sure why people are surprised that the heroes in a Warhammer Quest game are going to be monopose character models. That's literally how WQ has been for twenty years.

**H.B.M.C.**

Because it means that when these make the transition to 40K their options will be exceptionally limited, which seems weird for a group that should have access to anything money can buy.

Danny76 wrote:
Yeah. This, Realms of Chaos, new Blood Bowl, Delaque.
They will all be revealed at Blood & Glory

They'd better be.

**zend**

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Ghaz wrote:
fresus wrote:
I'm quite puzzled by the timing. Normally we get next week's pre-order list on Sunday, then daily articles the following week.
On top of that, we get the occasional tease at a long term release. That's what the first Blackstone Fortress video was, and what we got yesterday with the couple lines basically saying "it's coming in the next couple months".

But here we have an article that looks exactly like the ones we have in the week leading to the pre-order. Since there isn't much to tease about this Saturday's pre-orders (just terrain packs), can we assume this article is a filler, and we'll get teases about Blackstone Fortress over the next two weeks, for a Nov 10 pre-order?

We know what's up for pre-order this weekend thanks to those who already have the new White Dwarf. No idea why GW hasn't mentioned it on Warhammer Community unless they want it to be a 'surprise'. From Lady Atia via War of Sigmar:

Spoiler:

Are these the space marines that were released in Japan? The last of the non-primaris?

Yep. RIP Space Marines.

I love the Inquisitor model. I wonder if this game will have a dedicated DM role like in Shadows over Hammerhal.

**Chairman Aeon**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Because it means that when these make the transition to 40K their options will be exceptionally limited, which seems weird for a group that should have access to anything money can buy.

You mean IF they transition in 40K, right? j/k But seriously these might actually be models for this game and also useable in 40K. I know it's strange to the young' but sometimes stuff is actually designed for the game they are bundled with. I think there is probably more money in these boxed games than as a minis release for 40K, just a function of board games being a bigger market and this being of interest to people who wouldn't buy the minis if they were some 40K Imperial add-ons.

I get that you are not impressed by all this H.B.M.C., but this is going to reach far outside 40K even in ways that Kill Team couldn't. And if its any consolation all the new characters for 40K are monopose now, so why would boardgames minis be any different...

**Klenval**

sockwithaticket wrote:
A bit more hair, paint it blonde and I think we have 40k Lord Flashheart

A bit less hair, paint it blonde and...