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This is very NOT the "hey, lets release some updated version of stuff from decades ago, nostalgia sells" approach they've been doing alot lately. Damn. BF is getting mighty interesting it seems.

And Renegade Guard? Please be awesome greatcoat! And lots of them!

Not entirely sure we’ll be seeing Renegade Guard here. From the wording, it’s suggestive that the adversaries are part of the Fortress, rather than others trying to take control of it.

But only suggestive. We may see Chaos involved after all. But going on today’s stuff, I rather fear SB is talking bolspit. Again.

I can't say I was expecting robots and drones as enemies. Were the Blackstone Fortresses ancient human constructs from the Golden Age, or did they come from a different alien species?

 Barzam wrote:
I can't say I was expecting robots and drones as enemies. Were the Blackstone Fortresses ancient human constructs from the Golden Age, or did they come from a different alien species?

Eldar God Vaul made them during the War in Heaven.

Allegedly.

Ultimately, it’s never really been made clear.

The Eldar refer to them as Talismans of Vaul. Clearly in reference to the Crippled God.

But. That’s just part of their mythic cycle. So I’m not massively comfortable saying that’s definitely the truth. Especially after The Fall. Consider how The Imperium misrecalls elements of The Dark Age Of Technology.

So I think it’s safe to say the ancient Eldar at least knew of them. And may well have been able to exploit them as a resource in ages past. Yet none of that suggest they actually built them.

Well my mind is blown and full of questions after seeing this little(?) guy.

Pre fall Eldar or Old one tech? Given there shared history is there really much difference?

Are there more types in the full game? Will these be Blackstones main opponents like Silver towers Tzaangors and Kairic acolytes? Or will they be its Spider grots and Skaven?

Will we see them appear outside of the boxed game and on the "regular" tabletop? If so will they be there own faction or tied to one of the Eldar groups?

Is the damn game out already?

 TheGuest wrote:


Personally I have a big "War of the Worlds" vibe from this mini.

I actually did the "dum, dum, duuuuurm" Jeff Wayne style at the end of the video.

This is shaping up to be the most exciting release for me in years. After the new Rogue Trader I was afraid the designs would put me off, but so far everything they showed looks ace.

The spindle drone and the living fortress do have a Necron-y vibe about them - maybe we can expect a new spin on these guys following this release...

I guess I'm the only one who isn't intrigued at all by the drone. The last thing I want or need is yet another race in 40K. If it's just a simple baddy for a board game, that'd be fine...but we don't need another non-Necron droid/bot race. I'd have much preferred other miniatures I can use in a variety of 40K settings to slightly more obscure stuff.

Also don't much care for the look of it, so there's that

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Allegedly.

Ultimately, it’s never really been made clear.

The Eldar refer to them as Talismans of Vaul. Clearly in reference to the Crippled God.

But. That’s just part of their mythic cycle. So I’m not massively comfortable saying that’s definitely the truth. Especially after The Fall. Consider how The Imperium misrecalls elements of The Dark Age Of Technology.

So I think it’s safe to say the ancient Eldar at least knew of them. And may well have been able to exploit them as a resource in ages past. Yet none of that suggest they actually built them.

Myths can be based on long forgotten truths. Vaul for example, could have been the name of a physical being who either ascended or as the stories changed with each successive retelling over time became remembered as an Aeldari god.

That's the funny thing for me in that the fortresses themselves have a very Necron look what with all the pyramids, but the fluff has them as being used against the ctan. A bit more exploration, figuratively and indeed with figures, of them will be fun.

The info trickle is in full swing!!! Loving every minute of it, and all that I have seen so far. I wonder if this exploration of the game will continue through next week.... Anyhow, it seems like there is so much more to be revealed and I can’t wait to see the rival team of chaos pawns exploring the fortress revealed.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Well, that's a curveball.

Based on precedent, I would expect all WQBSF models to get 40k rules. But these don't fit in any current faction.

I'm keep telling people that once we get beyond the GSC and Sisters releases, we're going to see tons of stuff.

World Eaters, Emperor's Children, Primaris, Old Ones, Kroot, Demiurge. I think all of these will enter the game in full force over the next 2-4 years along side new models for all existing factions.

 xeno99 wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
So Spindle Drones? Looks like a Karist unit from Maelstrom's Edge...

Or Retribution of Scyrah from Warmachine.

This is where my head went as well. Feels genuinely different from the typical 40k aesthetic (for better or worse.)

So its going to be a (mecha) bug hunt?

 Ghaz wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Allegedly.

Ultimately, it’s never really been made clear.

The Eldar refer to them as Talismans of Vaul. Clearly in reference to the Crippled God.

But. That’s just part of their mythic cycle. So I’m not massively comfortable saying that’s definitely the truth. Especially after The Fall. Consider how The Imperium misrecalls elements of The Dark Age Of Technology.

So I think it’s safe to say the ancient Eldar at least knew of them. And may well have been able to exploit them as a resource in ages past. Yet none of that suggest they actually built them.

Myths can be based on long forgotten truths. Vaul for example, could have been the name of a physical being who either ascended or as the stories changed with each successive retelling over time became remembered as an Aeldari god.

That really doesn't fit the origin story of Eldar gods though.

Oh my god, thats a really interesting and potentially fluff-changing mini right there, What the heck is it? Obviously not Necron? Old-one race or helper?

All GW:s big boxes of late has been must-buys for me, but this (and Necromunda) has to take the hype-reward. (Rouge trader looked great but had very little game play)

Loving the exploration of the marigins and odd stuff of 40K instead of just the marines and huge armies!

 Crimson wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Allegedly.

Ultimately, it’s never really been made clear.

The Eldar refer to them as Talismans of Vaul. Clearly in reference to the Crippled God.

But. That’s just part of their mythic cycle. So I’m not massively comfortable saying that’s definitely the truth. Especially after The Fall. Consider how The Imperium misrecalls elements of The Dark Age Of Technology.

So I think it’s safe to say the ancient Eldar at least knew of them. And may well have been able to exploit them as a resource in ages past. Yet none of that suggest they actually built them.

Myths can be based on long forgotten truths. Vaul for example, could have been the name of a physical being who either ascended or as the stories changed with each successive retelling over time became remembered as an Aeldari god.

That really doesn't fit the origin story of Eldar gods though.

And hence my statement that the more time that has passed the more the story of 'what actually happened' can change. We may be getting the 'in-universe' origin story of the Eldar gods from the 41st millennium which may be considerably different from an 'in-universe' origin story of the Eldar gods as it happened.

I don't see that it really has to be some mega-fluff changing item though - if we look at the Horus Heresy era, they wiped out hundreds if not thousands of species, races, etc. All of which could have been a 40K army. Space is fething big...as are its inhabitants. A new species shouldn't be fluff-breaking...but just a common occurence. The presence of it aboard a Blackstone Fortress gives its a bit more import, barely.

 Elbows wrote:
I don't see that it really has to be some mega-fluff changing item though - if we look at the Horus Heresy era, they wiped out hundreds if not thousands of species, races, etc. All of which could have been a 40K army. Space is fething big...as are its inhabitants. A new species shouldn't be fluff-breaking...but just a common occurence. The presence of it aboard a Blackstone Fortress gives its a bit more import, barely.

It wouldn't necessarily be changing any established fluff just expanding it for a different time period which may have contradictory 'in-universe facts' as compared to the 'in-universe facts' of the 41st millennium.

partisan_nick wrote:
Oh my god, thats a really interesting and potentially fluff-changing mini right there, What the heck is it? Obviously not Necron? Old-one race or helper?

All GW:s big boxes of late has been must-buys for me, but this (and Necromunda) has to take the hype-reward. (Rouge trader looked great but had very little game play)

Loving the exploration of the marigins and odd stuff of 40K instead of just the marines and huge armies!

I passed on Rouge Trader, all the vigilis stuff just out of personal choice. But I am definitely wanting to see more of this.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Not entirely sure we’ll be seeing Renegade Guard here. From the wording, it’s suggestive that the adversaries are part of the Fortress, rather than others trying to take control of it.

But only suggestive. We may see Chaos involved after all. But going on today’s stuff, I rather fear SB is talking bolspit. Again.

If memory serves from the August WF, we know from the Q&A that the new CSM Marine Sclupts are in this box.

**Madly clicking "Do you wish to know more, Citizen?"**

That drone greatly intrigues me. So far, they've got my interest. Waiting for the curveball, though. Always seems they get *so close* and then shoot themselves, somehow.

Does anyone know the release date for this? I need an excuse for someone to get me this as a Christmas present!
Safe to say I'm now very excited.

 Elbows wrote:
I guess I'm the only one who isn't intrigued at all by the drone. The last thing I want or need is yet another race in 40K. If it's just a simple baddy for a board game, that'd be fine...but we don't need another non-Necron droid/bot race. I'd have much preferred other miniatures I can use in a variety of 40K settings to slightly more obscure stuff.

Also don't much care for the look of it, so there's that

Nah the last thing we need is more Marine codexes ! but guess what. several Chaos ones alone to come if not a Prmaris one.

I think it it is interesting, enjoying these models as much as the Rogue Trader ones

It's very Retribution of Scyrah, and certainly not Necron.

Colour me intrigued.

Honestly I hope they don't go for some big blowout "...but here's what REALLY HAPPENED! WOW!!!!1" thing. For one, because I don't think the studio guys could handle something that big without help from the better BL writers without descending into Wardian farce, but also because it's not really necessary; we know the Old Ones experimented with creating different races, and based on the Orks we know they could be quite inventive/mental - why would they limit themselves to creating only organic life? Maybe we've not seen these things before because the Old Ones' enemies destroyed them on the Blackstones the Imperium had previously found. Maybe their experiments with artificial sentience went horribly awry and were sealed away in a handful of isolated Blackstones, and the rest were built to be controlled by organics.

Regardless, the point is there are plenty of hooks in the existing material to tease out and expand upon, they need to go back to expanding on those(and seeding new ones) rather than this "SURPRISE! [Special Character You've Never Heard Of Before With Upcoming Big Model Kit] has done a thing, NEW FACTION!" thing they tried with Primaris.

Didn't the Eldar, pre-fall, have artificial intelligences?

It'd be kind of cool for this to be a look at the empire that was--kinda like how they billed the Visarch.

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
Does anyone know the release date for this? I need an excuse for someone to get me this as a Christmas present!
Safe to say I'm now very excited.

All we know is "... in time for Christmas... "

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/10/28/christmas-preview-bundles-battleforces-and-boxed-games/

I hope they keep up this trickle of releases. A video teasing stuff, a mini to show us what's in it...

They'll have to reveal other bad guys soon. We could see a Chaos model as early as tomorrow...

Ghaz wrote:

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
Does anyone know the release date for this? I need an excuse for someone to get me this as a Christmas present!
Safe to say I'm now very excited.

All we know is "... in time for Christmas... "

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/10/28/christmas-preview-bundles-battleforces-and-boxed-games/

Lovely! Just what I need!

Kanluwen wrote:Didn't the Eldar, pre-fall, have artificial intelligences?

It'd be kind of cool for this to be a look at the empire that was--kinda like how they billed the Visarch.

Pretty sure they did, they had/have weapons to snuff out suns and towards the end, common labour wasn't really a thing they did with the exception of Exodite Eldar. I don't have any source on that other than the 4th Ed codex though.

GW community on Facebook implying that the halo figure is a space marine but I'm not buying it :