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 lord_blackfang wrote:
Rogue Trader is a trap option! I would seriously get pretty much anything else GW for that money.

Some of us like RT for the articles miniatures.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Rogue Trader is a trap option! I would seriously get pretty much anything else GW for that money.

Some of us like RT for the articles miniatures.

There are DOZENS OF US!


Im eventually going to buy a second set of Starstriders for conversions.

Same with some of the BSF minis. The navigator dude could make for a good GSC Magus.

I really enjoy Rogue Trader. The missions, the boards, the miniatures, it's all fantastic. The one thing people aren't keen on is that the factions are the most limited in Kill Team compared to all the other factions and are missing counters to some of the meta.

Literally everything except for the actual rules for the factions are stunning out of the Rogue Trader box.

drbored wrote:
I really enjoy Rogue Trader. The missions, the boards, the miniatures, it's all fantastic. The one thing people aren't keen on is that the factions are the most limited in Kill Team compared to all the other factions and are missing counters to some of the meta.

Literally everything except for the actual rules for the factions are stunning out of the Rogue Trader box.

Many of the limits in place are simply unnecessary. I'm sure the balance would be just fine if one removed the limit on the Voidsmen (take as many as you'd like) and make Voidsmen Gunner a max 2 option. And with Gellerpox, you can remove unit selection limits on everything except the Hullbreakers.

IIRC the limits only apply to your Kill Team, not your Roster - have as many Voidsmen as you like, but only three plus the gunner at once in a mission. You're still a bit limited since all the specialists are named characters (not sure if that means anything in the KT rules, but I'd be hesitant from a narrative point of view to "recycle" Sanistasia Minst if she were to die, for instance).

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
IIRC the limits only apply to your Kill Team, not your Roster - have as many Voidsmen as you like, but only three plus the gunner at once in a mission. You're still a bit limited since all the specialists are named characters (not sure if that means anything in the KT rules, but I'd be hesitant from a narrative point of view to "recycle" Sanistasia Minst if she were to die, for instance).

Just finished a 12-game campaign of KT. With this experience (though none with Starstriders directly), I would say that the 3/1 limitation is a huge liability when all core kill teams have no limits on basic troopers and nearly all have a 2-4 max on a gunner. There is simply no reason for the limit except that this quantity is all GW could fit in the sprue (which may imply they do not intend to sell them separately).

At the price they are selling they could easily made a profit from making the Elucian Strider team on 2 normal sprue, or 3 smaller sprue like KT Cassius. That'd actually give them a bit more option and less flatten 2d pose.

But why make more when you can make less and sell at the same price anyway.

Each sprue requires a die to be cut. That pushes the production price up even further. And that gets passed on to us at the end of the day.

A fact article: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/11/20/20th-nov-10-things-you-didnt-know-about-warhammer-quest-blackstone-fortressgw-homepage-post-3/

#5 in particular is an interesting one.

Wow kill team rules

Awesome, it looks like GW listened to everyone who requested KT rules. I'd love to be able to play some Lost and the Damned in KT.

 Sabotage! wrote:
Awesome, it looks like GW listened to everyone who requested KT rules. I'd love to be able to play some Lost and the Damned in KT.

Or it looks like they planned on doing it anyways but posted publicly to shut up the whining.

Maybe someday I'll see a Rogue Trader who actually pull out his/her (supposedly) fancy heirloom pistol.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:
Awesome, it looks like GW listened to everyone who requested KT rules. I'd love to be able to play some Lost and the Damned in KT.

Or it looks like they planned on doing it anyways but posted publicly to shut up the whining.

That's a possibility, but I think it's unlikely. The community team said that they had no word on whether they were in the works, and GW generally has stuff do far in advance. The article states they are currently being worked on. Also to be fair, I saw a lot of people ask if there would be KT rules, or suggest them, but I didn't see a single post anywhere with someone whining they weren't included.

 Sabotage! wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:
Awesome, it looks like GW listened to everyone who requested KT rules. I'd love to be able to play some Lost and the Damned in KT.

Or it looks like they planned on doing it anyways but posted publicly to shut up the whining.

That's a possibility, but I think it's unlikely. The community team said that they had no word on whether they were in the works, and GW generally has stuff do far in advance. The article states they are currently being worked on. Also to be fair, I saw a lot of people ask if there would be KT rules, or suggest them, but I didn't see a single post anywhere with someone whining they weren't included.

The Warhammer Community team may not know what the Design Studio is doing, and they're definitely not allowed to comment on projects until they're given te go ahead by Management.

 Ghaz wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:
Awesome, it looks like GW listened to everyone who requested KT rules. I'd love to be able to play some Lost and the Damned in KT.

Or it looks like they planned on doing it anyways but posted publicly to shut up the whining.

That's a possibility, but I think it's unlikely. The community team said that they had no word on whether they were in the works, and GW generally has stuff do far in advance. The article states they are currently being worked on. Also to be fair, I saw a lot of people ask if there would be KT rules, or suggest them, but I didn't see a single post anywhere with someone whining they weren't included.

The Warhammer Community team may not know what the Design Studio is doing, and they're definitely not allowed to comment on projects until they're given te go ahead by Management.

Yes, I'm sure there were 9 different levels of security around KT rules for GW produced models. God forbid some 3rd party makes KT rules for them. There was absolutely no way that GW saw demand for something that could relatively easily be done and would help move products and decided to do so.

Managed to pick this up for about $114, so we'll see how it is when it shows up. Looking forward to trying it out. If it isn't as good as it looks, I can make back $80-90 on the minis I won't be using (maybe even my full investment) and keep the minis I want.

 Sabotage! wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:
Awesome, it looks like GW listened to everyone who requested KT rules. I'd love to be able to play some Lost and the Damned in KT.

Or it looks like they planned on doing it anyways but posted publicly to shut up the whining.

That's a possibility, but I think it's unlikely. The community team said that they had no word on whether they were in the works, and GW generally has stuff do far in advance. The article states they are currently being worked on. Also to be fair, I saw a lot of people ask if there would be KT rules, or suggest them, but I didn't see a single post anywhere with someone whining they weren't included.

The Warhammer Community team may not know what the Design Studio is doing, and they're definitely not allowed to comment on projects until they're given te go ahead by Management.

Yes, I'm sure there were 9 different levels of security around KT rules for GW produced models. God forbid some 3rd party makes KT rules for them. There was absolutely no way that GW saw demand for something that could relatively easily be done and would help move products and decided to do so.

God forbid that they want to release stuff on their own pace and have it be a nice surprise rather than having their hand forced to announce it in advance because people complained it wasn't there from the outset. Did you ever think maybe they were going to wait until the full kits saw a release for the Chaos side? That they might have wanted to wait for Vigilus to build up a bit more?

Also you could read this very thread and see several instances of complaining that rules weren't included for KT.

The Warhammer TV team have said repeatedly that they see things a year or more in advance. "We have no word on <thing people ask about" means "We'll tell you when we're ready to".>

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
The Warhammer TV team have said repeatedly that they see things a year or more in advance. "We have no word on <thing people ask about" means "We'll tell you when we're ready to".>

I'd be surprised if it isn't compartmentalized though. Warhammer Community isn't solely the Warhammer TV team.

There's a lot of overlap; Nick Bayton for one.

Yes, I'm sure there'll be things that the Community site writers don't know. But I'm sure there's just as many things where they do know, but aren't going to tell.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:
Awesome, it looks like GW listened to everyone who requested KT rules. I'd love to be able to play some Lost and the Damned in KT.

Or it looks like they planned on doing it anyways but posted publicly to shut up the whining.

That's a possibility, but I think it's unlikely. The community team said that they had no word on whether they were in the works, and GW generally has stuff do far in advance. The article states they are currently being worked on. Also to be fair, I saw a lot of people ask if there would be KT rules, or suggest them, but I didn't see a single post anywhere with someone whining they weren't included.

The Warhammer Community team may not know what the Design Studio is doing, and they're definitely not allowed to comment on projects until they're given te go ahead by Management.

Yes, I'm sure there were 9 different levels of security around KT rules for GW produced models. God forbid some 3rd party makes KT rules for them. There was absolutely no way that GW saw demand for something that could relatively easily be done and would help move products and decided to do so.

God forbid that they want to release stuff on their own pace and have it be a nice surprise rather than having their hand forced to announce it in advance because people complained it wasn't there from the outset. Did you ever think maybe they were going to wait until the full kits saw a release for the Chaos side? That they might have wanted to wait for Vigilus to build up a bit more?

Also you could read this very thread and see several instances of complaining that rules weren't included for KT.

All be honest and say I haven't read every single post in this thread, so there probably are a handful of complaints about no KT rules around release. I didn't see any on the announcement of the 40k Facebook page, nor on Reddit, where many people were asking about KT rules specifically. It's silly to assume anyone "forced" GWs hand. They release things when they want, they always have. By insinuating that a few people complaining about KT rules "forced" GW's hand you would think that the hundreds of very vocal SoB players who complained for a decade would have "forced" GW to do SoB at some point over that time. But it took the results of a community survey and a large amount of people saying that they wanted SoB for them to decide to do anything with them. GW is simply doing what most smart businesses do. They see a demand, and they try to meet that demand.

I honestly don't know what your issue with GW releasing rules for one of their products is. I think it's great they included 40k rules for the Blackstone Fortress stuff and that they are making rules for KT....it's more fun people can have with the box contents. It's nice GW takes feedback from their customer base now, and it's also nice they are giving people more than one way to use their models.

The 40k Facebook page removes those posts. You not seeing them doesn't mean they are not there.

And I have no issue with them doing it. I have an issue with people whining that it's not there from the outset.

Yeah I don’t think anyone was complaining about them making the rules, just countering your point that they listened to feedback. It is very likely that they were doing it anyway.

Community when they say they haven’t heard or seen about something just means they’ve not had the go ahead to mention yet. And anyone in GW, not just community team members. Just one of those things all businesses do with their products and information, most other companies just don’t have the same draw for people wanting to know about future things in the same way.

It would make me consider the box depending on their KT rules, as I’d get double use..

Kanluwen wrote:The 40k Facebook page removes those posts. You not seeing them doesn't mean they are not there.

And I have no issue with them doing it. I have an issue with people whining that it's not there from the outset.

That's a fair point, I'm sure they do delete a lot of the more blathering posts. This is the 40k fanbase after all, and the people that whine, do so to an extreme.

Danny76 wrote:Yeah I don’t think anyone was complaining about them making the rules, just countering your point that they listened to feedback. It is very likely that they were doing it anyway.

Community when they say they haven’t heard or seen about something just means they’ve not had the go ahead to mention yet. And anyone in GW, not just community team members. Just one of those things all businesses do with their products and information, most other companies just don’t have the same draw for people wanting to know about future things in the same way.

It would make me consider the box depending on their KT rules, as I’d get double use..

I'm not saying that the rules weren't in development already, it just doesn't seem like something they would need to keep secret on. Yes, there is a good chance the community team didn't know, but if It did, I doubt GW would tell them "you can't share this information." When they were asked about 40k rules they responded as soon as they found out. It's a product that is already going to be released, has been spoiled in full, etc. If anything, if the community team knew about it, they would have probably announced it as "Kill Team rules coming soon." Really the only harm that can be done by telling people the rules are coming is that some guy in his basement is going to stop writing his homebrew ones, and the potential upside is a couple more people buy the box.

 Kanluwen wrote:
The 40k Facebook page removes those posts. You not seeing them doesn't mean they are not there.

And I have no issue with them doing it. I have an issue with people whining that it's not there from the outset.

Why do you have an issue with people asking for what they want, or highlighting that it's a bit odd/sad that something a lot of folk want isn't available?

Or is it that you have an issue with modern GW actually appearing to listen to people and respond to their desires? I swear you can't win with some folk; for years GW were completely shut off from customers, and the Knights of Our Glorious Corporate Overlords would descend on anyone who dared express a negative point of view of something with bleats of "stop whinging on a forum and contact GW then nyeeeehhh!" despite knowing with the same utter certainty as everyone else that they weren't listening. Now that they do give the appearance of listening and even, on occasion, being responsive to people's requests, their shining defenders accuse everyone who stops whinging on a forum and contacts GW of "whining"

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
The 40k Facebook page removes those posts. You not seeing them doesn't mean they are not there.

And I have no issue with them doing it. I have an issue with people whining that it's not there from the outset.

Why do you have an issue with people asking for what they want, or highlighting that it's a bit odd/sad that something a lot of folk want isn't available?

Or is it that you have an issue with modern GW actually appearing to listen to people and respond to their desires? I swear you can't win with some folk; for years GW were completely shut off from customers, and the Knights of Our Glorious Corporate Overlords would descend on anyone who dared express a negative point of view of something with bleats of "stop whinging on a forum and contact GW then nyeeeehhh!" despite knowing with the same utter certainty as everyone else that they weren't listening. Now that they do give the appearance of listening and even, on occasion, being responsive to people's requests, their shining defenders accuse everyone who stops whinging on a forum and contacts GW of "whining"

Couldn't agree more. How can ''complaining about something and making a company take actions to resolve the complaints'' be viewed in a negative light?
It seems that for some, anything else than blindly accepting and agreeing with every actions of GW is nothing less than a sin

Well, finally pre-ordered my copy (had to wait for my guy to get one more thing in stock before putting the order through). I doubt I'll get it in time for the weekend, which means I won't see any of it 'til at least December 1st, but there we go. All sorted.

Now it's up to GW to follow-up on this and expand this game to greater and greater heights.

Danny76 wrote:
Yeah I don’t think anyone was complaining about them making the rules, just countering your point that they listened to feedback. It is very likely that they were doing it anyway.

I gotta agree. I don't think there's a timeline where GW weren't making KT rules for these minis. They didn't need to be told. It was always part of the plan.

 streetsamurai wrote:


Couldn't agree more. How can ''complaining about something and making a company take actions to resolve the complaints'' be viewed in a negative light?
It seems that for some, anything else than blindly accepting and agreeing with every actions of GW is nothing less than a sin

The fact you can't separate "giving feedback" and "complaining" tells us everything we need to know about this fanbase.

 EnTyme wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:


Couldn't agree more. How can ''complaining about something and making a company take actions to resolve the complaints'' be viewed in a negative light?
It seems that for some, anything else than blindly accepting and agreeing with every actions of GW is nothing less than a sin

The fact you can't separate "giving feedback" and "complaining" tells us everything we need to know about this fanbase.

Well, what would you say is the difference?