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No wonder why the Firebrand look so much better than the rest.

Prices up.

£65 base and about £50 off Wayland.

I'll take it at 50, 65 is a bit of a push for my tastes

These cultiists are cool.
It would be nice to have some heavy wea@pn team on this design.
Mortar...

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Only bought Traitor Command this month!

Ah well. Shall await price and plan accordingly.

I bought it (and painted the two models) a couple of days ago, to get it out the way before getting this expansion.


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mortar_crew wrote:
These cultiists are cool.
It would be nice to have some heavy wea@pn team on this design.
Mortar...

mortars? In a cave? That won't end well.

If only an 'upgraded' Obsidius Mallex figure had been included - that would definitely have made the price point more tolerable.

I still hope they have a pack in the works that features more unique enemies, per the spindle drones.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Only bought Traitor Command this month!

Ah well. Shall await price and plan accordingly.

I bought it (and painted the two models) a couple of days ago, to get it out the way before getting this expansion.


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mortar_crew wrote:
These cultiists are cool.
It would be nice to have some heavy wea@pn team on this design.
Mortar...

mortars? In a cave? That won't end well.

Mole Mortars!

 Perfect Organism wrote:
I see that GW are still convinced not taking up a force-org slot is some kind of advantage.

To be fair, it used to be a pretty nice bonus - 3 editions ago Now that GW writers failed to notice memo that not one but two recent 40K editions pretty much require you to fill as many slots as possible, you might as well start giving points reduction for this 'rule'...

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Only bought Traitor Command this month!

Ah well. Shall await price and plan accordingly.

I bought it (and painted the two models) a couple of days ago, to get it out the way before getting this expansion.


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mortar_crew wrote:
These cultiists are cool.
It would be nice to have some heavy wea@pn team on this design.
Mortar...

mortars? In a cave? That won't end well.

Well from the pictures there are some very large spaces in the strutuctures, but
I agree.
I was thinking about their use in 40K anyway.

Clockpunk wrote:
If only an 'upgraded' Obsidius Mallex figure had been included - that would definitely have made the price point more tolerable.

I still hope they have a pack in the works that features more unique enemies, per the spindle drones.

Truthfully, had there been a second sprue of cultists, I would have gone for it. As is, its pretty much priced at double its worth to me.

Yeah, they really coulda spared another sprue of 7 goons. I might get one if I find a price I can take or down the line if I can get one in trade, but that price is awful for just the 7 goons and some decent characters.

At 110usd there is just no value in this boxed set for me. Disappointed as I really had seen potential in it, and the BSF in general. Doesn’t bode well for future WHQ’s of any variety.

Yeah, it's really light on models, and the entire WHQ line has simple enough content that it's hard to justify buying it for some flimsy rules.

Then again, everything for BSF has been overpriced.

okay, so if you made a maxed-out Servants of the Abyss list it would be:

Obsidius Mallex

A bunch of Traitor Commissars

Some Chaos Ogryn

A couple Black Legionaires

A unit of 4 Chaos Beastmen

2 units of Traitor Guardsmen

Unit of Cultists

Negavolt Cultists

Rogue Psychers


If these units were made "normal" (as in varying equipement and unit sizes, plus no restrictions on number taken) This would be a somewhat decent start to a codex.

 cuda1179 wrote:
okay, so if you made a maxed-out Servants of the Abyss list it would be:

Obsidius Mallex

A bunch of Traitor Commissars

Some Chaos Ogryn

A couple Black Legionaires

A unit of 4 Chaos Beastmen

2 units of Traitor Guardsmen

Unit of Cultists

Negavolt Cultists

Rogue Psychers


If these units were made "normal" (as in varying equipement and unit sizes, plus no restrictions on number taken) This would be a somewhat decent start to a codex.

Yeah if only mallex hasn't his great rule.

I agree the sets are too much. I will be looking to see if I can just pick up the cardboard components for the game and proxy the enemy models. The only hero models I'm interested is the paladin/knight character and the duelist.

I have found that the card components tend to go up on ebay at overly expensive prices because I think it's people who want the models and need to maximize their gain from the card.

I think it's better to buy the expansion yourself with a nice reduction from a 3rd party and then sell the models yourself. Even if you want to keep a couple of the characters, you can probably sell the rest of the models for enough to cover the cost of the expansion.

Evidently the September White Dwarf has rules for 2 Ogryn bodyguards, according to someone on BGG..

 porkuslime wrote:
Evidently the September White Dwarf has rules for 2 Ogryn bodyguards, according to someone on BGG..

According to GW.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/09/06/white-dwarf-preview-septembergw-homepage-post-3fw-homepage-post-2/

It's a real shame there isn't a focus on the xenos rather than more Imperial retinue characters.

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
It's a real shame there isn't a focus on the xenos rather than more Imperial retinue characters.

ya know, it's also a shame that we don't get the cultists, or electropriests, or traitor guardsmen as propper sets.

 Flinty wrote:

I think it's better to buy the expansion yourself with a nice reduction from a 3rd party and then sell the models yourself. Even if you want to keep a couple of the characters, you can probably sell the rest of the models for enough to cover the cost of the expansion.

I disagree. On eBay just 7-10 days ago (in the U.S.A.), I was able to get non-miniature components for Escalation for $20 shipped. I acquired Traitor Command without minis for $18 shipped as well. Those are some pretty good deals. And being able to get Escalation's Imperium figures from Combat Arena at B&N for $34 makes it a pretty decent way of getting Escalation at about half off. Those cultist figures can easily be proxied by the old cultist figures (with some minor conversions for the grenade launcher and heavy flamer).

At these prices I am willing to pick up Warhammer Quest expansions. Sadly I haven't been able to find the Dreaded Ambul at an affordable price.

callidusx3 wrote:

 Flinty wrote:

I think it's better to buy the expansion yourself with a nice reduction from a 3rd party and then sell the models yourself. Even if you want to keep a couple of the characters, you can probably sell the rest of the models for enough to cover the cost of the expansion.

I disagree. On eBay just 7-10 days ago (in the U.S.A.), I was able to get non-miniature components for Escalation for $20 shipped. I acquired Traitor Command without minis for $18 shipped as well. Those are some pretty good deals. And being able to get Escalation's Imperium figures from Combat Arena at B&N for $34 makes it a pretty decent way of getting Escalation at about half off. Those cultist figures can easily be proxied by the old cultist figures (with some minor conversions for the grenade launcher and heavy flamer).

At these prices I am willing to pick up Warhammer Quest expansions. Sadly I haven't been able to find the Dreaded Ambul at an affordable price.

I did this exact same thing as well, $110 for an expansion was beyond the pale.

But if you buy it yourself and sell the models.yourself you are not at the mercy of waiting for others to present a reasonable deal.

I mean either way works, but I just think that you can get a better deal by being the seller yourself.

Chopstick wrote:

 porkuslime wrote:
Evidently the September White Dwarf has rules for 2 Ogryn bodyguards, according to someone on BGG..

According to GW.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/09/06/white-dwarf-preview-septembergw-homepage-post-3fw-homepage-post-2/

Spoiler:

Seems to me that those rules could have done with a bit of proof-reading, as unless I missed something, one of the Ogryns has an attack that they never use. Plus, the first rule of the supplied scenario is that no player can ever draw a discovery card for any reason, but a roll of 20 on the supplied event table specifically for the scenario says you should draw a discovery card.

Thanks, GW.

What that sort of stuff makes me wonder is, are those errors because...

...of last-minute changes that didn't get caught?
...multiple people made assumptions or skimmed?
...GW sometimes doesn't bother to test their content?

Free content is all well and good, but it'd be nice for it to be decently written.

Feeling like there's a bit of a rules bloat for BSF now with all of the White Dwarf articles they release. I don't collect WD and it's an effort to grab them for a couple of pages.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Thanks, GW.

What that sort of stuff makes me wonder is, are those errors because...

...of last-minute changes that didn't get caught?
...multiple people made assumptions or skimmed?


...GW doesn't bother to test their content 75%.

there fixed it for you.

I can't tell what's wrong with the rules from that one page.

See Tavis75's comments: one of the weapon stat lines isn't usable, and a scenario special rule precludes a result on the scenario table.