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auticus wrote:It opens the door for the traditional GW tropes of chaos marines.
Chaos tainted sigmarines (straight up copy/paste chaos marines)
Death tainted sigmarines (the deathcast which are already a thing in the narrative)
Destruction tainted sigmarines
Which gives you a super hero enemy army.
As sad as that would be if it happened, when I was trying and still trying to make my Storm Casts, I just don't like Sigmar, so I am thinking how to use those mini and they bascially end up realizing Sigmar is a coward and false god. Then I realized I am basically copying 40K version without even thinking of it. I guess since Stormcasts act so much like Space Marines, the classic "turning on your father" story fit's so easily. So I guess I wouldn't mind Chaos/bad Stormcasts.
After all that is what my minis are. Just haven't put a scheme together for it yet.
But stormcast don't act like Space Marines, Generally. And where are you getting this Sigmar is a coward thing from? Also I don't think we need chaos stormcast, when we already have chaos Warriors, blood Warriors and blight Kings.
I just don't like Sigmar, so I am thinking how to use those mini and they bascially end up realizing Sigmar is a coward and false god.
That's his own headcannon. You know. The stuff that is allowed and GW used to encourage at least before they made decision to ignore what their settings were(ie settings) and turned things around to "story".
GW does encourage people to create personal lore in the AoS setting. However in my opinion there is a such thing as personally created lore that could happen in the setting and personally created lore that is highly unlikely to happen in the setting. Otherwise what's the point of having a setting.
Stormcast in open revolt is almost never going to happen, especially not in large numbers and they would not survive long. They would not be able to be reforged, the priest would lose their powers. And they will be hunted down by the forces of Chaos, order and death. They have also met their God, Sigmar is the opposite a coward.
But I digress, it's headcanon.
Correct it's my head cannon. I thought from me saying Stormcast being something like Chaos Space Marines would show why they turned on Sigmar. In my army that I gave up on, but trying to restart it now, While I sort of like the minis (may as well use them since I bought the boxsets for the game) that they are "Stormcasts" that rebelled against Sigmar but not Chaos Stormcasts. For me I am going by the real fluff at the time, so not sure if it was retconned or not, that ANY race could be a Stormcast Eternal, since Sigmar the Coward, Sigmar the False God (again, head cannon) took these Warriors and Kidnapped and totured them against their own free will. So for me at the time I was starting a Destruction army with Beastclaw Raiders. (or is it riders? Been ages need to relearn everything again.)
After so many reforgings, and or, someone else made the reforged Stormcasts remember who they were. For some, a hero was defending his villiage but because Sigmar wanted him/her/it when he was "taken" the hero couldn't defend the villiage and they were slaughtered, tortured and worse. Or the Hero was defending his loved ones/family and was taken so his loved ones/family died. Others, dying in battle was the Honourable thing, but Sigmar took that Honour away from them.
So the "brothers and sisters" joined together and rebelled to go back and live among their kin. Some were welcomed back even though milliena passed by, others stay in their armour for thier "shame" because now they are human when before they were not, so will not take the armour off in public and only come out to defend their kin.
Others are not welcomed back from their kin at all, and for some, since they Can't hurt Sigmar physically, they hurt Sigmar emotionally by still wearing the armour. Others still wear the armour to give Stormcasts a bad name and others yet while HATING Chaos, take on Chaos and become mutated so they can harm Sigmar physically by fighting his armies and also "defiling" Stormcast armour by having "taint" of chaos. I was going to use Tyranid Gargoyle wings to show how they took on, what they hate because their hatred for Sigmar is even worse.
Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
The faction I wanted to main got axed, and had next to no support. Oh well. Guess I'll need to save up for Ironjawz or use these Orruks as Bonesplittaz.
I've sold so many armies. :(
Aeldari 3kpts Slaves to Darkness.3k Word Bearers 2500k Daemons of Chaos
Because no rank and flank phalanx style spear troops. No high elves and stormcasts astheticly look like space marines to me. Im sure the game plays well. But theres already a great skirmish game called middle earth strategy game. And its got a proper fantasy setting. Lots more reasons but mainly the setting.
AngryAngel80 wrote: I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
I've been meaning to write this for awhile now. This is also going to be a bit of a blog post but here we go.
I was on the boat of not playing Age of Sigmar, even after trying to get into the game twice. I had a few reasons for not getting into it, all of which have already been said by someone else in this thread. "Not interested in the lore, my army isn't a thing, miss the old world, I'm playing other games, etc..." Then Warmahordes released MKIII and took a big dive in my area. I also was coming to terms with Warmahordes not being the game for me. Its a great game and I hope it does well but its not for me. So I sold off all of my Warmahordes and went to Nova looking to replace my main game. I showed up ready to play Infinity, Star Wars Legion, and to pick up some Malifaux. I left Nova confirming that they were all great games but just not for me.
While I was at Nova I took a painting class with Duncan and walked the halls of Nova checking out other games. Between Duncans enthusiasm for the game and the models I fell in love again. I bought the Sepulchral Guard after the class and hit up a buddy of mine selling his Ironjawz before we made it home. I came out of Nova wanted to play all things Warhammer. None of my friends followed. So I dove in on my own. I bought everything I needed to start playing and then started hitting up the local game store for games. It didn't take long before all of my friends started picking up there own armies. I'm now sitting on a complete IronJawz army and I'm currently putting together Sylvaneth. I have my eye on Warcry and I'm still eagerly awaiting Tyrion and Malerion releases. I've also been getting in more games of AoS in a month then I ever have of other games in several months.
Currently I'm enjoying the game. The lore has grown on me. I have armies to play currently and the 2 I've been eyeing might be a thing soon. And the only other game that can pull me away is Underworlds.
Alokin1988 wrote: I've been meaning to write this for awhile now. This is also going to be a bit of a blog post but here we go.
I was on the boat of not playing Age of Sigmar, even after trying to get into the game twice. I had a few reasons for not getting into it, all of which have already been said by someone else in this thread. "Not interested in the lore, my army isn't a thing, miss the old world, I'm playing other games, etc..." Then Warmahordes released MKIII and took a big dive in my area. I also was coming to terms with Warmahordes not being the game for me. Its a great game and I hope it does well but its not for me. So I sold off all of my Warmahordes and went to Nova looking to replace my main game. I showed up ready to play Infinity, Star Wars Legion, and to pick up some Malifaux. I left Nova confirming that they were all great games but just not for me.
While I was at Nova I took a painting class with Duncan and walked the halls of Nova checking out other games. Between Duncans enthusiasm for the game and the models I fell in love again. I bought the Sepulchral Guard after the class and hit up a buddy of mine selling his Ironjawz before we made it home. I came out of Nova wanted to play all things Warhammer. None of my friends followed. So I dove in on my own. I bought everything I needed to start playing and then started hitting up the local game store for games. It didn't take long before all of my friends started picking up there own armies. I'm now sitting on a complete IronJawz army and I'm currently putting together Sylvaneth. I have my eye on Warcry and I'm still eagerly awaiting Tyrion and Malerion releases. I've also been getting in more games of AoS in a month then I ever have of other games in several months.
Currently I'm enjoying the game. The lore has grown on me. I have armies to play currently and the 2 I've been eyeing might be a thing soon. And the only other game that can pull me away is Underworlds.
This is so similar to me. I was a die hard warhammer fantasy player and when GW axed the game for AoS, I like many others, was livid. All of my favorite armies and lore were gone, stormcast looked like stupid space marine knock-offs to me, and at the time it appeared the game literally did not have a points system (I don't know if people remember, but the rollout was pretty poorly executed with GW basically coming right out and saying they didn't have any intention of making games for competitive play anymore. I played like 1 test game of AoS when that little ~4 page rulepack got released, and was dismayed. Sold pretty much my entire collection of GW mini's and swore the company off forever. Tried warmachine hordes, hated it. All my friends got into Malifaux, I played it half heartedly for a while and liked it a bit more, but it did not in any way scratch the itch that got me into wargames to begin with, massed fantasy battles... I basically slowly but surely dropped out of the hobby completely, but the itch to wargame never left, it just seemed like there wasn't anything for me. Then like 6 months ago I talked to a gaming friend I had lost touch with for the first time since AoS hit, and he had nothing but good things to say about where the game now was, and that enthusiasm from someone I trust really forced me to re-evaluate, put my bias against GW asside and give it another look. Much to my surprise I realised pretty much everything that had made me love Warhammer Fantasy for so many years was pretty much all back in AoS. The names and lore had changed, but the rules had gotten a make over and GW was once again committed to matched play. So here I am 6 months later obsessed all over again, and getting in deeper by the day. Really can't stress enough how pleasantly surprised I have been at the strides GW has made with this game over the, what 3 years now? Since warhammer fantasy got destroyed.
The GW that launched AoS was a very different company to the one we have today. They did a major turnaround in 2016. I personally think that the 'proudly do no market research' team actually believed the people were buying their models primarily to simply collect, and that the game was an afterthought. They launched AoS expecting it to go over well thanks to all those new models and abundant tools for people to forge the narrative, and were shocked that the sales were terrible. A change of leadership decides that maybe that whole market research thing is a good idea, and they are illuminated as to the public's actual perception of GW and how that very much matters.
NinthMusketeer wrote: The GW that launched AoS was a very different company to the one we have today. They did a major turnaround in 2016. I personally think that the 'proudly do no market research' team actually believed the people were buying their models primarily to simply collect, and that the game was an afterthought. They launched AoS expecting it to go over well thanks to all those new models and abundant tools for people to forge the narrative, and were shocked that the sales were terrible. A change of leadership decides that maybe that whole market research thing is a good idea, and they are illuminated as to the public's actual perception of GW and how that very much matters.
Aye, the issue wasn't just lack of market research but I also think that the upper staff had gotten so isolated from their actual fanbase that they no longer even knew proper gamers at large. Don't forget in that time too GW didn't do any social media stuff, not even forums. Heck we had to rely on rumours back then to actually get any solid heads up that anything was coming ever. GW was totally isolated at the top end from its customer base, which isn'ta shock when you look at how they'd release short term products and axe others just before a shareholders meeting - they were far too focused on that meeting to the point of damaging the company to get a good return.
Ironically they had been holding the returns back because when they had that huge attitude change their profits skyrocketed through the roof so far that they not only had to build a new factory to handle production but actually had the money do to it - no loan, no big investor they could do it themselves and give their staff the world over a bonus too.
AoS was a bad start but it was the act that helped clear the air and reshap much of how GW works
I'm still a fan of WHFB, but from what I see is that GW is slowly trying to bring old miniatures back into AoS whether it's new sculpts or just simple repacking them with round bases. When I see armies like Beastmen or Skaven get tomes, endless spells, etc. It gives me hope that other old armies will come to AoS.
The big one for me personally is Greenskinz, though GW stopped selling their Start Collecting boxes they still do have warscrolls and are still a playable army (though kind of crap if you play them by themselves.) I'll keep playing Ironjawz until I see that Greenskinz get a battle tome.
Yeah but its more than just AoS. Bloodbowl - Adepticus Titanicus - Aeronautica - Necromunda all games brought back since the big GW shakeup. And there's Underworld and Blackstone and likely a few others to come too.
Overread wrote: Yeah but its more than just AoS. Bloodbowl - Adepticus Titanicus - Aeronautica - Necromunda all games brought back since the big GW shakeup. And there's Underworld and Blackstone and likely a few others to come too.
I think those would have happened regardless of Fantasy dying. I think Fantasy dying is less a sacrifice for more games and more a final casualty of bad management.
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Well AoS is making a come back at my FLGS. We played it when it first came out but interest rapidly declined to the point i sold my army.
However we are kick starting it again with a start collecting tourney. All lists are made up from the contents of a start collecting box, and if you buy a box from the store it's free entry.
Also they are having a bunch of pre-painted ready to go armies so if people just want to take part without buying a box they can use one of the house armies.
Seems to have got a lot of interest both from old fantasy players and the 40k players like myself.
40k is loosing it's appeal due to how hyper competitive it's become which is sucking the fun out of playing the game. (I've actually sold one of my armies to fund a LoN army).
So AoS is actually really appealing to me now, and I've always loved anything to do with Vampires! Extra bonus points is that my Mrs also loves Vampires so is loving the models! So no guilt trips when i buy something else!
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I'm weighing up Astreia Solbright as my entry for the upcoming Everchosen, and if so possibly follow it up with Storm Strike a little later on. It says on the GW site that Storm Strike comes with extra warscroll cards for other characters, but unsure if that includes Astreia's. I don't suppose anyone can confirm that?
I'm weighing up Astreia Solbright as my entry for the upcoming Everchosen, and if so possibly follow it up with Storm Strike a little later on. It says on the GW site that Storm Strike comes with extra warscroll cards for other characters, but unsure if that includes Astreia's. I don't suppose anyone can confirm that?
Cheers.
Stormstrike includes Solbright, Grimhailer, Dreadblade Harrows, and Celestar Ballista cards in addition to the Glaivewraiths, Myrmourns, Sequitors, and Castigators. There's also a card for the Gryph-Hound.
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I'm weighing up Astreia Solbright as my entry for the upcoming Everchosen, and if so possibly follow it up with Storm Strike a little later on. It says on the GW site that Storm Strike comes with extra warscroll cards for other characters, but unsure if that includes Astreia's. I don't suppose anyone can confirm that?
Cheers.
Stormstrike includes Solbright, Grimhailer, Dreadblade Harrows, and Celestar Ballista cards in addition to the Glaivewraiths, Myrmourns, Sequitors, and Castigators. There's also a card for the Gryph-Hound.
I'm weighing up Astreia Solbright as my entry for the upcoming Everchosen, and if so possibly follow it up with Storm Strike a little later on. It says on the GW site that Storm Strike comes with extra warscroll cards for other characters, but unsure if that includes Astreia's. I don't suppose anyone can confirm that?
Cheers.
Stormstrike includes Solbright, Grimhailer, Dreadblade Harrows, and Celestar Ballista cards in addition to the Glaivewraiths, Myrmourns, Sequitors, and Castigators. There's also a card for the Gryph-Hound.
It doesn't. Stormstrike is just sequitors, castigators vs myrmourns and glaivewraiths.
I'm weighing up Astreia Solbright as my entry for the upcoming Everchosen, and if so possibly follow it up with Storm Strike a little later on. It says on the GW site that Storm Strike comes with extra warscroll cards for other characters, but unsure if that includes Astreia's. I don't suppose anyone can confirm that?
Cheers.
Stormstrike includes Solbright, Grimhailer, Dreadblade Harrows, and Celestar Ballista cards in addition to the Glaivewraiths, Myrmourns, Sequitors, and Castigators. There's also a card for the Gryph-Hound.
It doesn't. Stormstrike is just sequitors, castigators vs myrmourns and glaivewraiths.
Games Workshop wrote:4 Warscroll cards are included – these cards contain the rules and statistics you need in order to field your miniatures, laid out for ease of use in a handy card format. A Warscroll is included for each type of miniature in the box. A further 5 Warscroll cards are in the box detailing some of the other miniatures in the range (available separately), giving an insight on how to expand your armies with your next purchases.
That's what he was asking about. That's what I stated comes with it. There's 5 extra cards, I asked someone with the boxed set to check. Those were all the Storm Strike cards.
I'm still a fan of WHFB, but from what I see is that GW is slowly trying to bring old miniatures back into AoS whether it's new sculpts or just simple repacking them with round bases. When I see armies like Beastmen or Skaven get tomes, endless spells, etc. It gives me hope that other old armies will come to AoS.
The big one for me personally is Greenskinz, though GW stopped selling their Start Collecting boxes they still do have warscrolls and are still a playable army (though kind of crap if you play them by themselves.) I'll keep playing Ironjawz until I see that Greenskinz get a battle tome.
Yeah, the return of Tomb Kings was heavily hinted in April this year.
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Chikout wrote: It is a shame that so many people were put off by the early fiction. The first three novels were just novelisations for the campaign books. The authors were given very little freedom to play with the setting. The more recent books from city of secrets on have done a much better job of exploring the setting, givng the sense of place that many felt were lacking at the start, and contextualising the place of the Stormcast.
A lot of the early stories felt like an excuse to show a few battles and nothing more.
Nick Horth’s books, eight lamentations, the two Evan Dicken stories and the Gotrek audio drama are all excellent.
Soul wars was the best warhammer tie-in book I have read. It is essentially a story about a city preparing for a siege and the fighting doesn’t really break out until the last quarter of the book.
The Stormcast may not be human but their whole story is about humanity, about what it means to be human and whether it is worth sacrificing your own humanity to protect others.
The soul wars was a great hook to tie the second edition to. With Slaanesh and more Aelves still to come, I hope it continues to be explored from some time.
To answer the op question the reason I’m not playing the game much is time and the existence of more sub games.
With two small children time is at a premium so I find that warhammer underworlds does a good job of scratching the gaming itch.
I have dabbled with skirmish, but I really want an expanded version with the kind of attention that has been given to kill team before I fully jump in.
I also play silver tower every now and then, which I still find enjoyable.
Put off by the early fiction?
Nope, it was primarily the removal of rank & flank and other important rules and aesthetics of the sigmarines which look like they are members of the Blood Angels sanguinary guard. But I have to agree that the fiction is less than stellar.
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I’m trying to convince my two oldest friends to make the plunge with the books, since they have sizable dispossessed and dwelling coven/DoK armies available to themselves, but they’re afraid of change. We all had the “AoS, wtf?!” attitude at the beginning, but I’ve seen the improvements and have jumped in full force. I think once they get familiar, they’ll feel the same.
Reality is a nice place to visit, but I'd hate to live there.
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Forbidden power is mostly supplement, but the endless spells from it are generally accepted as part of matched play. The rules for them are free and you can always ebay/convert the models you need if you want to use them.
For malign sorcery, the realm spells are sometimes used while the realm artifacts are largely considered mainline. The endless spells are part of the main game and very commonly used, but again the rules for those are free and the models can be obtained separately.
So for an average player you do not need to purchase either one or be familiar with the contents beyond the endless spells. The realm artifacts from malign sorcery are extra artifacts anyone can take, but they are optional the vast majority are more for fun/fluff than anything. The handful that see serious use you'll become familiar with pretty quickly.
I should note that the price for both Malign Sorcery and Forbidden Powers is darn good concsidering the size of the models you get. You few fewer models in Forbidden Powers, but they are all very large ones, whilst several of the spells in Malign are much smaller.
All in all they are worthwhile to get, but at the same time you don't have to start with them and if you play a faction which has had faction spells released for it then their own pack of endless spells is often a very powerful starting point.
Somewhat related, I preferred the Malign Sorcery model of predatory endless spells. The immobile ones (and worse offenders - mobile ones that specifically don't affect a faction's units) take a lot of the danger out of these potentially devastating spells.
They are my bulwark against the Terror. They are the Defenders of Humanity. They are my Space Marines, and they shall know no fear.
Yes. Some of the recent ones *cough* insane Skaven vortex *cough* are on a completely different level than the previous options.
BlaxicanX wrote: A young business man named Tom Kirby, who was a pupil of mine until he turned greedy, helped the capitalists hunt down and destroy the wargamers. He betrayed and murdered Games Workshop.
I'm still a fan of WHFB, but from what I see is that GW is slowly trying to bring old miniatures back into AoS whether it's new sculpts or just simple repacking them with round bases. When I see armies like Beastmen or Skaven get tomes, endless spells, etc. It gives me hope that other old armies will come to AoS.
The big one for me personally is Greenskinz, though GW stopped selling their Start Collecting boxes they still do have warscrolls and are still a playable army (though kind of crap if you play them by themselves.) I'll keep playing Ironjawz until I see that Greenskinz get a battle tome.
Yeah, the return of Tomb Kings was heavily hinted in April this year.
If I could be allowed to bother you, what are the rumours about this? This is for me one my top 5 reasons "How I might play Age of Sigmar".
They told me i was crazy, that i could not win with an army list like that. 2000 points later i found out that they were right
If I could be allowed to bother you, what are the rumours about this? This is for me one my top 5 reasons "How I might play Age of Sigmar".
It's from one of David Guymer's "Hamilcar Bear-Eater" stories. He makes a comment about the Anvils of the Heldenhammers(a Stormhost known for having "heroes from a lost age") and a Lord-Celestant known as Settrus.
There's been a bit of a walkback as it wasn't meant to be "HERE'S SETTRA!" but rather a nod to a possible thing.
There's been a fresh wave of "TombKings Maybe" over on the Grand Alliance forums but its all 100% Rumour and Hope. GW have released no official word that the TK or any models of theirs or any similar force is coming.
There is only that they mentioned at the last event that there were still Battletomes to come for each Grand Alliance, and since currently Death has all of its 3 armies with current edition Battletomes that strongly suggests a new Death Army. However what form it might take is totally unknown, it could even be a simple readjustment of the alliances within it or even a new "Grand Alliance Death" book.
The rest is all guesswork from hints in stories and hope and interpretations. Importantly one has to remember that BL novels often have lots of things that never make it table side; from early stage projects that get cancelled through to ideas that the author comes up for on their own. Even if it has to go through the GW filter for accepting such creations the authors still have some freedom to play with the setting and characters. So Settra might well be Settra or not; but it means nothing to if TK are coming or not.
Basically there's hope, but no concrete information nor even strong rumours (like leaked points, concepts, models, sprues etc..).
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