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I have just decided that One Page Rules Age of Fantasy is good enough for what I want and fixes a lot of the issues I see with AoS that put me off playing.
- rules are easy to access and designing a list is uncomplicated
- Alternating unit activation rather than IGOUGO
- terrain rules are generic in nature but have a meaningful and "realistic" in game effect.
- All Old World Fantasy armies are supported along with the new Age of Sigmar armies.
- Rules are simple to teach to new players (I am gonna be starting a club from scratch)
- Base size is not hugely important to the game.

Very excited to get some games in when I sort out terrain and stuff, will post some reports on the relevant forum.

I look forward to seeing your reports. Those are mostly the same issues I have with AOS rules as-is as well.

I decided on it rather than Kings of War because I figure regiment games are a bit more of an acquired taste, especially for people whose first miniature gaming experience was Dungeons and Dragons. The small warband approach with fairly free movement rules will go down easier, I think.

Feeling more positive about wargaming than I have in years since discovering that ruleset, even rekindled some of my excitement about Warhammer 40K with their Grimdark Future rules.

I would also agree with your assessment on rank and flank games. They have become ultra-niche and people in general simply don't like them.

Which is sad because... I love them lol.

I'll check out those rules you mention as well (the one page rules) because I may want to try them out too.

Cronch wrote:

 Overread wrote:
I thought the world had moved on from the AoS stance of 5 years ago?

Sounds about right, being forever offended about something is a polish pastime

When was the last time brits informed your country that they are going to nuke your entire country, if you do not remove a veteran hospital that is 40km away from their border?

Remember, this is Karol- who lives in a version of Poland where it's like Mad Max times over there. I'd take what he says with a pinch of salt.

Biggest Polish non w40k forum is border princes, ask anyone here who is not me, and polish how open they are there to posting anything, other then hate, about AoS. There are other Poles posting here.

But isn't Border Princes (from my 5 seconds googling and lack of understanding of anything Polish) a 9thage focused site anyway? So isn't a core concept of the site that its bypassing AoS and focusing on the continuation of rank and file fantasy through the 9th Age rule system.


Ergo a place far more likely to be a somewhat hotbed of people who are disgruntled through to open hate of AoS; possibly preserved and somewhat exaggerated by an echo-chamber of self supporting views and the general fact that many people often play things up online than in reality.

It was a WFB one, and then the Polish WFB community did not take the whole no points and dancing while stroking your beard thing very well. AoS is limited to face book, and large cities like Warsaw, and even there from what I understand it isn't specificaly the main Warsaw, but the people that live in towns that were around Warsaw. They and the people that live in the main city often dislike each other. For example historicaly when communist were doing purges on university they were taking people from towns around Warsaw, because they hated each other. On top of that there is political stuff, Warsaw main is left supporting and WFB playing, outskirts are AoS, nationalists and mob towns.

Or TLDR Disgruntled doesn't really describe well a situation when a group is in a majority. Same way star wars fans can't be disgruntled about the new movies.

Basically because these dudes didn’t exist until now.

Thats probably the only good model that was revealed. The rest look like a hybrid between sylvaneth and necron and tyranid and they all have a cartoon grin on their face that makes them look absurd.

I love them all. I think the grin is a little goofy but it makes them all sort of freaky. And the actual model range is awesome as hell imo.

 auticus wrote:
Thats probably the only good model that was revealed. The rest look like a hybrid between sylvaneth and necron and tyranid and they all have a cartoon grin on their face that makes them look absurd.

A matter of taste. I think the line is more attractive to me than the majority of the current Death line and a good competition for the Tomb Kings, once accounting for model age (a lot of that line had some long teeth). It might even be enough to bring me in, once I have a workable budget, but they're currently competing with the Beasts and the Trees.

I like everything but the grins, which are unsettling in the wrong way. Too goofy rather than creepy.

But they still feel like they are Nagash's answer to having skeletal hordes that can stand up to all the supersoldiers that are appearing on the battlefields of the Realms. Like he decided that skeletons and zombies just don't cut the mustard anymore, so his army got an upgrade. I may not like ALL the design choices, but it's a fair way to expand the lore.

 auticus wrote:
Thats probably the only good model that was revealed. The rest look like a hybrid between sylvaneth and necron and tyranid and they all have a cartoon grin on their face that makes them look absurd.

I was also thinking, did they really need another undead army. Its like they need to rebrand to age of Negash.

As a primarily slaves to darkness player, watching new factions get released while slaves to darkness remains F tier is pretty discouraging.

I'm sure slaves will appear end of this year or start of next

Apple fox wrote:

 auticus wrote:
Thats probably the only good model that was revealed. The rest look like a hybrid between sylvaneth and necron and tyranid and they all have a cartoon grin on their face that makes them look absurd.

I was also thinking, did they really need another undead army. Its like they need to rebrand to age of Negash.

The number isn't the problem, Death actually has relatively little in terms of the numbers of armies. The problem is that Death just have had a lot of Releases, which makes them seem numerous, especially when compared to Alliances which have had many of their armies never have had a book. It doesn't help that with Tomb Kings going extinct, they were limited to one of the old Army Books compared to the Chaos' 4, and almost innumerable Order's list.

Don't get me wrong, that's no excuse to leave the old classics behind, but there is a method behind it.

I do have a constructed Khorne Daemon army that I could use, but I've heard that Khorne followers have been somewhat nerfed in AOS. Same with Tzeentch armies.

I figure that at some point we'll see Destruction get a massive slew of new models to bolster it. They already started the year strong with Gloomspite so at some point Orruks and gutbusters will need massive releases of their own (currently I'm not expecting the release this year to be huge for Gutbusters - though if it is I'd be more than happy to see them get the attention and boost)

 auticus wrote:
As a primarily slaves to darkness player, watching new factions get released while slaves to darkness remains F tier is pretty discouraging.

Aren't the Warcry warbands basically all Slaves to Darkness? Doesn't that mean S2D has gotten the most new releases of any of the Age of Sigmar factions?

 auticus wrote:
As a primarily slaves to darkness player, watching new factions get released while slaves to darkness remains F tier is pretty discouraging.

GW releases are not determined by which faction or alliance have waited for a release or fairness.
They care about what their design team has and what new thing they can sell. Everchosen might get something, but I'm quite certain they're getting left behind to fade away like the other Old World armies.
I had Warriors of Chaos, they felt... Outdated in AoS.
The only time they felt like elite badasses was as a Varangur army. Mantic has made their game a home for old armies, balanced lists with miniature agnostic rules. They would like you to buy their stuff, but know that more people playing the game is good for it; even if you don't spend money on it. They respect you as a gamer, you love your stuff but will always need more.

GW has more than enough people playing, they have no reason to care about how much you love your old army, they want you to buy the new hotness.

 Sqorgar wrote:

 auticus wrote:
As a primarily slaves to darkness player, watching new factions get released while slaves to darkness remains F tier is pretty discouraging.

Aren't the Warcry warbands basically all Slaves to Darkness? Doesn't that mean S2D has gotten the most new releases of any of the Age of Sigmar factions?

That does absolutely zero for playing Age of Sigmar. That would be about the same as trying to say Underworlds factions also count in AOS.

GW has more than enough people playing, they have no reason to care about how much you love your old army, they want you to buy the new hotness.

I've given up on trying to make my old chaos army work in AOS. I realize capitalism is capitalism and that trying to make old models be competitive is like whizzing in the wind and getting mad that it came back all over my face. I would however like to play the game of Age of Sigmar (not warcry, or underworlds) with a slaves to darkness force, as that is my primary force and the one that draws me to the game the most, without getting a gag ball shoved down my mouth and whipped nine ways to sunday because I chose the wrong faction because their rules are flaming trash.

Actually the way they've done the rules for Warbands they perfectly fit into AoS far better than Underworld Warbands do. I fully expect that GW might remove the Marauders and replace them with the Underworld Warbands for Slaves. I also expect the "cultist" keyword might well replace the "mark of chaos" rule - letting GW cover the same ability but only having to write it out once rather than in half the army.


Also I fully expect Slaves to Darkenss getting a rules update around Christmas - either before or not too long after. Heck at the current rate we'll hit Christmas with only Slaves, KO and Seraphon in need of new Tomes and that's if GW doesn't squeeze one more in (we don't yet know the November to December release rumours - though we roughly know up to October with the new Reaper army for AoS)


Patience Auticus - or based on your graphic description perhaps just start a Slaanesh army for a while to tide you over with your er - excess of torment

While the way they do warcry units may fit better in AOS than underworlds, there is nothing that has been released for warcry that even holds a candle against the min/max stuff that other factions get, and Slaves to Darkness is stIll pretty much garbage tier that you'd only play to punish yourself or enjoy getting your face rubbed into the table over and over again. I know that that might appeal to some people but for me its not an option.

I'd like an Everchosen book that brings all the Slaves units together with the Varanspire stuff. Crank the Allegiance power way way up to allow the Slaves units to be on the level of the other armies in Allegiance but aren't just way better when conscripted into the god specific factions.

Apple fox wrote:

 auticus wrote:
Thats probably the only good model that was revealed. The rest look like a hybrid between sylvaneth and necron and tyranid and they all have a cartoon grin on their face that makes them look absurd.

I was also thinking, did they really need another undead army. Its like they need to rebrand to age of Negash.

I mean, Death is a grand alliance, and has the least Battletome armies out of any grand alliance... Yeah, I would say they needed it.

Agreed as well; the answer is yes, Death did need another army. Destruction needs help too, and looks like it's getting in in the next few months.

It seems that AOS has sort of lost popularity here the past few months. It was growing and then it's slowly dropped, but I wonder if it's not just at this one store because the group that plays there play more competitive than I suspect a lot of people want. I personally have been dabbling in games other than Warhammer as well as having some other things taking up my time (World of Warcraft: Classic) to worry about Warhammer for now.

WoW Classic is the great devourer of time.

I have vowed never to get sucked into WoW again. So far so good.

But yes other games have been taking my time (kings of war and conquest). Though our AOS campaign starts this weekend so I will be back in that, but it is heavily houseruled and I wouldn't consider it AOS.

 Sasori wrote:

Apple fox wrote:

 auticus wrote:
Thats probably the only good model that was revealed. The rest look like a hybrid between sylvaneth and necron and tyranid and they all have a cartoon grin on their face that makes them look absurd.

I was also thinking, did they really need another undead army. Its like they need to rebrand to age of Negash.

I mean, Death is a grand alliance, and has the least Battletome armies out of any grand alliance... Yeah, I would say they needed it.

Considering I do not have or want to use a whole grand alliance. It still looks kinda bad.
So I can still sum it up as a why I am not playing point :p