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One day poor Eldar will get some plastic aspect warriors.

It blows my mind that all 5 are yet to be updated.

I am excited that Spirit Seer is going to be plastic and that we are getting a box set like this with Craftworld. Only problem is that I don't need any of this that much except maybe the Spirit Seer and Wraithguard. Well, I could turn the Guardians into Storm Guardians so there is that.

I'll probably end up buying a box.

I just wish they'd release a Harlequin box again.

 dan2026 wrote:
One day poor Eldar will get some plastic aspect warriors.

It blows my mind that all 5 are yet to be updated.

2 Aspects out of 9 are plastic, with an additional 10th FW-only Aspect. So yeah, there is quite a way to go.

I've said it before, GW need to release a Ynnari codex with unique units (they can be themed on traditional aspects, but called differently so they can be pointed differently for Soulburst). Then these new units share components with traditional Aspect Warriors so you hit up regular Eldar too. Would sell really well IMHO.

 bullyboy wrote:
I've said it before, GW need to release a Ynnari codex with unique units (they can be themed on traditional aspects, but called differently so they can be pointed differently for Soulburst). Then these new units share components with traditional Aspect Warriors so you hit up regular Eldar too. Would sell really well IMHO.

Somebody mentioned on a Facebook group that this box set might be leading up to an Ynnari release considering that each box set so far has been hinting at an upcoming release(Forgebone: Ad Mech / Necron, Tooth and Claw: Space Wolves, Genestealer Cults).

Could you imagine the Ork salt if an Ynnari codex was released before theirs? Not happening though, gotta be Orks next.

 bullyboy wrote:
Could you imagine the Ork salt if an Ynnari codex was released before theirs? Not happening though, gotta be Orks next.

Which is why I mentioned upcoming. Technically the Ork box has already been announced before this one(the car one) so the formula would still hold.

 bullyboy wrote:
I've said it before, GW need to release a Ynnari codex with unique units (they can be themed on traditional aspects, but called differently so they can be pointed differently for Soulburst). Then these new units share components with traditional Aspect Warriors so you hit up regular Eldar too. Would sell really well IMHO.

The longer we go without actual plastic Aspect Warrior kits the more I believe Ynnari will be some kind of awful Primaris-styled Eldar re-design. I really do think GW is attempting to re-do the majority of their older lines with far more obscure and specialized styles. I think we'll see CSM disappear slowly as it's replaced by four proper books for each God, etc.

It's fortunate that I love old Eldar metals (though for convenience sake I'd be fine with a quality plastic kit for most models), because Eldar are in such a fething bizarre place right now, I could never advise someone to start an army of them.

-Aspect Warriors are finecast, expensive, unavailable, and a general mess.
-Characters are stupidly now in plastic with zero options.
-Some of the characters are no longer being produced
-The Falcon is the same it's been since release in 1997(?), but you can't buy it anywhere other than GW (or occasionally eBay)
-Basic troop box is old and ugly (and you can't make Storm Guardians without expensive/crappy resin kits)
-Little to no support from 3rd party manufacturers (outside of the occasional Farseer/Warlock alternate sculpt)
-Some designs actual date from 1993 - and while I think they're attractive, they're in finecast and not likely to attract new players.
-Dire Avengers have a decent kit but were kicked in the teeth when GW decided $35 was appropriate for five plastic troop models. (reducing that box from a previous 10)

Luckily their small plastic release within the past ten years was decent, great Wraithlord, great Wraithguard, ugly new tank, but versatile. The War Walker is ugly as feth, and the Vyper molds are so worn out the kit is pretty poor now.

If Eldar were not consistently strong army-wise, they'd be absolutely abandoned and you'd never see them. They're just in a very very bizarre place right now. Again, if my army wasn't 80% 2nd edition metals recovered from eBay I wouldn't have an Eldar army, and I've been an Eldar player since I started in the early-to-mid 90's.

 bullyboy wrote:
Could you imagine the Ork salt if an Ynnari codex was released before theirs? Not happening though, gotta be Orks next.

Yeah lets get Orks, Genestealers, Sisters, Agents out before we release another Eldar (or Marine) dex....

 Elbows wrote:


-Aspect Warriors are finecast, expensive, unavailable, and a general mess.
-Characters are stupidly now in plastic with zero options.
-Some of the characters are no longer being produced
-The Falcon is the same it's been since release in 1997(?), but you can't buy it anywhere other than GW (or occasionally eBay)
-Basic troop box is old and ugly (and you can't make Storm Guardians without expensive/crappy resin kits)
-Little to no support from 3rd party manufacturers (outside of the occasional Farseer/Warlock alternate sculpt)
-Some designs actual date from 1993 - and while I think they're attractive, they're in finecast and not likely to attract new players.
-Dire Avengers have a decent kit but were kicked in the teeth when GW decided $35 was appropriate for five plastic troop models. (reducing that box from a previous 10)

Luckily their small plastic release within the past ten years was decent, great Wraithlord, great Wraithguard, ugly new tank, but versatile. The War Walker is ugly as feth, and the Vyper molds are so worn out the kit is pretty poor now.

Huh, can't say I agree with you.
The Guardians are a decent kit, no problems for me.
The falcon and variants likewise. Still look better than most other vehicles out there. Falcon just needs better rules.
Dire Avenger cost is ridiculous, but good kit.
wraith models excellent.
personally think the HQs are good too, they just need to redo character models, especially the Phoenix Lords.

Basically, for me, it's all about the Aspects. Only thing that needs to change with new models IMHO.

 Eldarsif wrote:
I am excited that Spirit Seer is going to be plastic and that we are getting a box set like this with Craftworld. Only problem is that I don't need any of this that much except maybe the Spirit Seer and Wraithguard. Well, I could turn the Guardians into Storm Guardians so there is that.

I'll probably end up buying a box.

I just wish they'd release a Harlequin box again.

Wait for the spirit seer to pop up on ebay once the box is out or wait longer for an inevitable later release either solo or bundled with some Wraithguard (like captain Solaq and the SM command squad).

Simple.

The fluff for this set is lazy and doesn't make sense. Eldar care about the fate of the universe enough to save the Imperium's ass and resurrect a Primarch for them, but here they are fighting the Imperium again on a world that's touted as being a fragile thread that's holding the Imperium together. The Ultramarines should also be way more tolerant of the Eldar.

Guess every faction has to have a stake in the events that take place on Vigilus.

 bullyboy wrote:

Dire Avenger cost is ridiculous, but good kit.

Sorry, the DA kit, even when it was released is a fething embarrassment. Those crests are disgraceful with zero detail on top and just a flat line.

2018 GW can easily redo these to make the heads like they should.

 Haighus wrote:

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tneva82 wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
Super boring box, but nice to see a plastic Spirit Seer (though it dashes my hopes of a genuine multi-part psyker kit for Eldar). Even the Primaris Lieutenant model is pretty boring.

I do hope it'll be a decent deal though for people who need/want those models.

GW has gone way of no generic multi part plastic characters so not sure why anybody would be still hoping for those. Might just as well hope for win from lottery >D

Other than the Space Marine Commander and Chaos Terminator Lord, were there ever any others which might engender such expectations this many years after the first two?



The actual design elements on the primaries aren't bad, but christ is that pose dull and pointless.

Tyranid Hive Tyrant would be the only other example I can think of.

Thousand sons sorcerer 3 pack?

Well, it sounds like it's time for Plan B: buy some Idoneth Deepkin, slap on some Dark Eldar weapons, and name them the Punishing Piranhas Aspect. Never heard of them? Khaine has some aspects that are more personal, more difficult to express, until he is ready to be vulnerable with you.

 zend wrote:
The fluff for this set is lazy and doesn't make sense. Eldar care about the fate of the universe enough to save the Imperium's ass and resurrect a Primarch for them, but here they are fighting the Imperium again on a world that's touted as being a fragile thread that's holding the Imperium together. The Ultramarines should also be way more tolerant of the Eldar.

Guess every faction has to have a stake in the events that take place on Vigilus.

Shrug. To me it just reads as standard THE PLANET IN THIS BOOK IS THE MOST IMPORTANT EVER hype, where every conflict is a dire struggle for the fate of the universe even when it's a backwater mining colony. It's dumb, but it's just standard for GW.

Hmm. We have any guesses on a price point?

There are a few things I could use in there (reivers, spirit seer, WS) Some I wouldn’t mind (inceptors) and others which would just pad out the shelf (intercessors, guardians, WG). Nothing is useless per se, but a whole lot of meh.

I wanted some WG and another WS, but bought them fairly recently. Not that the concept of 3 mechanized squads of WG doesn’t appeal to me; but seems a little excessive. How many guardians does one craftworld need? I rarely field more then 10-120 in a list (and own 30)

2 DI boxes set me up pretty well for primaris. Sure, these are full kits, but generally the non-DI options are the bad ones. Might find some use in fun builds as wacky options.

Low enough price I’ll grab it just to flesh out my armies a bit. But no major draws here for me.

Price will be around the same as Forgebane and Tooth and Claw, so €120,- / €125,-

It's like gw want to justify ninety quid for these sets but in the majority of cases folks want one faction and the savings have to be enough to justify trading the other half. A quick ebay search for tooth and claw netted quite a few results for the genestealer half but no whole sets for the SW half. I can't help but conclude that a better set would have been both primaris halves from this new set and tooth and claw which would make a pretty good starting box.

 zend wrote:
The fluff for this set is lazy and doesn't make sense. Eldar care about the fate of the universe enough to save the Imperium's ass and resurrect a Primarch for them, but here they are fighting the Imperium again on a world that's touted as being a fragile thread that's holding the Imperium together. The Ultramarines should also be way more tolerant of the Eldar

Having the Ultras vs Saim Hann does seem less about what fits the fluff and more about what armies the studio already has painted up The Kill team background mentions the Iron Hands being present on Vigilus. They would IMO be a much better fit for this story.

That said, it was the Ynnari who helped to bring Roboute back not the Craftworlders. The majority of the Eldar factions see them at best as misguided, at worst as dangerous fanatics. Likewise Guilliman(and by extension the Ultras) is not daft enough to assume that all the different Eldar groups are on board with his secret alliance of convenience with Yvraine and her flock.

Are they planning a new big box release each month or two now? I need to start planning them in if they are.

Another Spiritseer, just with less ridiculous pose. Ughh this had to be the least intersting box set in 2018.

Also look like GW still keep the idea of Craftworld literally dying by only making new wraith-related unit.

Pretty disappointed this will be the first release out in "Orktober" to be honest. We've waited long enough, GW is really trying my patience now and by the looks of facebook I'm not the only one with this opinion.

I also think its a poor business move on GWs part, to release another box set so soon after the last. At least speed freeks is a new game. This is just wolf & claw 2.0.

A stupid move by GW.

I imagine that it will sell. People like Eldar and they like marines so they will probably move more copies of this than the space wolves one. I'm not personally interested in it, but it's not a bad idea to have these rotating starter sets with different armies. They also price them pretty well which might encourage someone to buy the box because they wanted one half and had a mild interest in the second half.

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 zend wrote:
The fluff for this set is lazy and doesn't make sense. Eldar care about the fate of the universe enough to save the Imperium's ass and resurrect a Primarch for them, but here they are fighting the Imperium again on a world that's touted as being a fragile thread that's holding the Imperium together. The Ultramarines should also be way more tolerant of the Eldar

Having the Ultras vs Saim Hann does seem less about what fits the fluff and more about what armies the studio already has painted up The Kill team background mentions the Iron Hands being present on Vigilus. They would IMO be a much better fit for this story.

That said, it was the Ynnari who helped to bring Roboute back not the Craftworlders. The majority of the Eldar factions see them at best as misguided, at worst as dangerous fanatics. Likewise Guilliman(and by extension the Ultras) is not daft enough to assume that all the different Eldar groups are on board with his secret alliance of convenience with Yvraine and her flock.

GW hates the Iron Hands though, and unless the Primaris geneseed stock for them prevents their habit of replacing their body parts with cybernetics, GW would've had to put a little effort into making an upgrade pack and making a unique character for them.

 Peregrine wrote:

 zend wrote:
The fluff for this set is lazy and doesn't make sense. Eldar care about the fate of the universe enough to save the Imperium's ass and resurrect a Primarch for them, but here they are fighting the Imperium again on a world that's touted as being a fragile thread that's holding the Imperium together. The Ultramarines should also be way more tolerant of the Eldar.

Guess every faction has to have a stake in the events that take place on Vigilus.

Shrug. To me it just reads as standard THE PLANET IN THIS BOOK IS THE MOST IMPORTANT EVER hype, where every conflict is a dire struggle for the fate of the universe even when it's a backwater mining colony. It's dumb, but it's just standard for GW.

Vigilus is the new Cadia, the world that stands between the two halves of the Imperium. Used to be a backwater, but is no the most important system in the galaxy.

 zend wrote:
The fluff for this set is lazy and doesn't make sense. Eldar care about the fate of the universe enough to save the Imperium's ass and resurrect a Primarch for them, but here they are fighting the Imperium again on a world that's touted as being a fragile thread that's holding the Imperium together. The Ultramarines should also be way more tolerant of the Eldar.

Guess every faction has to have a stake in the events that take place on Vigilus.

I dunno about that, the only fluff we have right now is

A mission of salvation by the warriors of Saim-hann has turned into a blood feud between the Imperium and that craftworld – and now, upon the streets of Vigilus, the Ultramarines prepare for urban war with the vengeful Aeldari

this to me sounds like a case of Eldar show up to help the Imperium and something happens to get them fighting, there is a case or two on record where the eldar showed up helped a space marine chapter and at the victory party translation errors lead to outright war. this could be a case like that.


an ultramarines box makes some sense, the new mini in the Box is a Leuitenant and they now have with this release a Lt. styled for each of the "big 4" (the dark Imperium Leuitenants are gonna be exclusives)

that said I'm gonna be passing on this box, tooth and claw JUST came out, and I thought that set was better then this anyway, the Leuitenant in Wake the dead is somewhat uninspiring, and the only thing in it that I don't have eneugh of from earlier sets is reavers. I can just buy a box of reavers.

Tooth and Claw had aggressors and the dread, so their was minimal overlap with dark Imperium.

Also, it is not like the Eldar and the Ultramarines are a unified force... with the awake of Ynnead, the Eldar are more divided than ever.

Wow, that's kind of a weak release.

So basically, we are getting more of the same, in stereo. Whoever was responsible for this needs to take it back, take out those Sam Hain NON wild riders eldar, and put in the tried and true Dark Eldar figures.

1 800 cash grab.

Clever. Buy this box of a bunch of stuff you don't want, in order to get these two characters you might want early.

War, war never changes.