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How can a show both be incredibly rushed but also have nothing happen?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
How can a show both be incredibly rushed but also have nothing happen?

Wasn't it delayed as well?

Well that wasn't very good, was it?

Like they threw together some rough outlines of a script, then filmed it.

Why, oh why does Disney think people do not notice bad writing?? Can they not hire competent writers???

Rank, amateurish, juvenile, unnatural... ugh...

C'mon, I WANT THIS TO BE GOOD!!!

 MDSW wrote:
Why, oh why does Disney think people do not notice bad writing?? Can they not hire competent writers???

Rank, amateurish, juvenile, unnatural... ugh...

C'mon, I WANT THIS TO BE GOOD!!!

Disney thinks that because it's honestly kinda true at this point. 95% of what they've done with star wars has been absolute garbage but the sequel trilogy still raked in billions of dollars and people are still eating up all of the shows they're putting out, so why change anything?

Yup, low effort product with nostalgia bait as the way to draw quick and easy views. That's why they're starting to shovel out so much content, they're going for quantity rather than quality. It's sad because with something like the SW IP, they're just lazily rehashing existing characters rather than actually exploring new settings that aren't involved with the main saga (oneshot episodes for SW visions don't count). The success of KOTOR demonstrated that you can have success in an era outside of the Clone Wars to the Galactic Civil War, so it's a pity that Disney is creatively bankrupt and risk averse to take advantage of exploring the whole idea of SW being in a galaxy far far away and we instead get Tatooine being the pitstop for every major SW character.

They're also contradicting timelines. A New Hope heavily implied that Obi Wan had totally lost contact with Luke and Leia after turning them over at birth. Now in the show he's running around with Leia and talking to Bail. Obi Wan also acts surprised that Anakin is alive as Darth Vader which he already knew from multiple scenes in Ep3. It's like the writers either never watched the first 6 movies, or they did and decided to ignore it the way Disney ignores the novels.

Toofast wrote:
They're also contradicting timelines. A New Hope heavily implied that Obi Wan had totally lost contact with Luke and Leia after turning them over at birth. Now in the show he's running around with Leia and talking to Bail. Obi Wan also acts surprised that Anakin is alive as Darth Vader which he already knew from multiple scenes in Ep3. It's like the writers either never watched the first 6 movies, or they did and decided to ignore it the way Disney ignores the novels.

Obi Wan knows Darth Vader is Anakin. Obi Wan does not know that Darth Vader survived their duel. He's been living in the middle of nowhere ever since.

Luke specifically knows "Old Ben Kenobi" in A New Hope. Uncle Owen doesn't approve of the guy, but Luke is clearly familiar with him. It never implies he had no contact with either since birth.

Leia is also familiar with him, but introduces herself (via message) with the appropriate etiquette (she is a princess and a senator, after all): As her father's contemporary, he's more likely to know her father than her, so that's what she leads with.

All that New Hope implies is that 'Old Ben' is a creepy old wizard that Luke knows more by rumor than personal experience. And Uncle Owen isn't likely to invite him around.

The prequels had more continuity fails than this, and R2 was a complete brat (or monster) for not sharing everything he knew (which was, functionally, everything that mattered).

 AduroT wrote:
Empire proving its evil cred by having torture tables with ready to go child sized restraints.

In fairness, there are plenty of filthy aliens who are roughly the size of a human child fully grown. Be pretty embarrassing to need some info out of an Ewok and not have teddy bear sized restraints available

I'm starting to get the impression that Third Sister is not a very nice person.

 DaveC wrote:
I generally just go with the flow but that was just a badly written episode all around parts of it were laughable (and not in a good way)

Spoiler:

Good to see a purge trooper but no more competent than a regular storm trooper. The broken window borrowed heavily from Fallen Order. Did Kenobi bring a towel because he dried off very quick and no water got through the door - it's the attention to detail they are getting wrong. No security because who would attack? really? you have failed me for the last time oh alright you can have another go and seriously hiding Leia under the coat and no one noticed.

This is a good reflection of my feelings.

 Geifer wrote:
So, Leia's droid? Will it get saved? Will it heroically sacrifice itself? Any bets?

Watching the opening thing next episode and see if they change its reflective color from the good guy blue to bad guy red.

Wow, they adapt the opening? I haven't consciously watched that thing since the first episodes of Mandalorian.

I’d noticed it was getting longer and happened to catch Leia’s droid in it before the episode. I hadn’t fully caught the red/blue on the bad/good guys till this. Interestingly the Mandolorian helmet is in red.

What happened to episode 4 this show was getting good. Seemed like a pilot episode they moved to #4

I really didn’t think four was all that bad other than the child under the coat…

 AduroT wrote:
I really didn’t think four was all that bad other than the child under the coat…

I was hype from 3 actually. I sat down and watched the first 3 at once and this one I had a waiting period for. That might have warped my view of it

Weirdly, and obviously I'm in the minority - this was actually my favourite episode so far.

 AduroT wrote:
I’d noticed it was getting longer and happened to catch Leia’s droid in it before the episode. I hadn’t fully caught the red/blue on the bad/good guys till this. Interestingly the Mandolorian helmet is in red.

I'm going to have to pay attention to it next time.

 AduroT wrote:
I really didn’t think four was all that bad other than the child under the coat…

You don't think it's a problem that the supposedly most secure place in the galaxy doesn't have shields, turbolaser batteries, any fleet presence in orbit or at least some TIEs on patrol?

Or this gem:

Dude: "Your credentials won't give you access to this facility."
Dudette: "Yeah, but I'm a captain and you're a lieutenant, so get stuffed!"
Dude. "Good point! Have a nice day, sir!"

Geifer wrote:Wow, they adapt the opening? I haven't consciously watched that thing since the first episodes of Mandalorian.

AduroT wrote:I’d noticed it was getting longer and happened to catch Leia’s droid in it before the episode. I hadn’t fully caught the red/blue on the bad/good guys till this. Interestingly the Mandolorian helmet is in red.

I know in the Clone Wars they would sometimes change the normal opening logo color to red for sith themed episodes, so messing with the opening is something that has been done before.

As a security guard, I find that entirely believable. She has authority and rank, and while outside her normal area, she was supposedly headed straight to report to the person in charge. Also we’re ten years into an organization where the higher ups have a habit of killing underlings who annoy them. The empire probably also suffers from crap funding due to how much is likely funneled into building the Death Stars and cuts corners where possible and relying on reputation and the appearance of security rather than actual security. Obviously we get to see some Jedi because that’s the point of the show, but how many Jedi are actually around this many years later that they would warrant high priority funding?

She has rank. How much authority comes with it is entirely dependent on circumstances. That's the whole issue. In the simplistic view of the writers spy lady outranks scanner dude and can just get in by pulling rank. That's about as good as just skipping security and putting up a sign on the door that reads "no spies allowed".

In the simplest way a semi-competent organization outside personnel should either have credentials that give them clearance for a visit during a specific time frame or not even get past a waiting area until they get clearance from someone in the facility whose job is to check such visitors' claims. This is not a complicated system and probably laughably inadequate by the standards of the average intelligence agency. Yet they don't even manage to decouple rank and authority, which is a necessary prerequisite to have working restricted access facilities unless you hire a couple of admirals to pull scanner shifts.

I won't give you funding because we canonically know from Rebels and Rogue One that while budgets are definitely a consideration, other projects than the Death Star are allowed to compete for resources and there is plenty to go around for such projects to coexist if only you can make a case for it. Also based on the real life truism that the only thing that gets better funding in a dictatorship than the military is the secret police. Scarif runs a planetary shield all day long, every day of the week. There's no reason to believe the electricity bill for a shield at the inquisition fortress is going to bankrupt the Empire.

I think it's backwards to use Jedi as a reason for budget cuts. First, there may be fewer as time goes by but the fortress would have been built and equipped early on. If there ever was concern that the fortress might get attacked, it was during the time it was constructed. Second, the fortress is the one place in the galaxy where foolhardy rebels might find Jedi to rally behind. It doesn't just have to be a maximum security prison to stop someone as capable as a Jedi from escaping, but has to equally be equipped to deal with breakout attempts from the outside. Considering that Palpi has little to fear from normal people and his one true adversary are the Jedi, you'd think he would take an interest in making the place that is at least temporarily home to Jedi as secure as it can possibly be. It simply doesn't make sense to base the fortress's security on reputation without the means to back it up because the thing that would tempt an attack is not reason but hope, and that's not something that is deterred by reputation. Not the least because the rebels in Obi Wan know that the physical capabilities are simply not there.

 AduroT wrote:
Empire proving its evil cred by having torture tables with ready to go child sized restraints.

Actually makes sense in this context. It's where they're taking all the Force sensitive children they kidnap.

Fun to see this facility in live action. They did a good job recreating it from Fallen Order. Kind of weird that its underwater to make it impenetrable, yet two Jedi have escaped specifically because broken windows block pursuit.

Overall enjoyed this one, though I understand it felt more like a script for a 20 episode series than 6. Fun stuff, McGregor and Little Leia continue to put in solid performances. 7/10

StraightSilver wrote:
Weirdly, and obviously I'm in the minority - this was actually my favourite episode so far.

Same. It has significant problems like the interrogation/torture scene played for laughs and the trench coat escape that was more minions from Despicable Me than Jedi Master from Star Wars. But at least we got to see Ben get it up finally and Leia was played as a likeable 8 year old kid (even with the completely out of left field staring contest quip). I can forgive the rest.

 warboss wrote:

StraightSilver wrote:
Weirdly, and obviously I'm in the minority - this was actually my favourite episode so far.

Same. It has significant problems like the interrogation/torture scene played for laughs and the trench coat escape that was more minions from Despicable Me than Jedi Master from Star Wars. But at least we got to see Ben get it up finally and Leia was played as a likeable 8 year old kid (even with the completely out of left field staring contest quip). I can forgive the rest.

Spoiler:

Are the force sensitives in the basement alive or pickled like Snoke? Did they give any indication? I'm not sure why they'd keep them alive if they rejected the Empire as the inquisitor said. There will always be a fresh supply of force sensitives born every year to replace them so no need to keep them chilled.

Well...

It's genetic but random mutation is a thing both in real life and Star Wars. Being inducted into the Jedi order was basically the same thing as being killed/put into stasis from the perspective of passing on your force sensitive genetics via procreation since Jedi almost entirely were childless and yet the supply was maintained regardless for thousands of years (and the centuries of the more strict child kidnapping of the prequel era). And obviously that's not including the people born to parents with no sensitivity.

 warboss wrote:

Spoiler:

Are the force sensitives in the basement alive or pickled like Snoke? Did they give any indication? I'm not sure why they'd keep them alive if they rejected the Empire as the inquisitor said. There will always be a fresh supply of force sensitives born every year to replace them so no need to keep them chilled.

Obi specifically calls it a grave or something like that, so I assume they're dead.

This seems to be part of the RoS backfill we've been getting since Mandalorian:

 Grimskul wrote:
Yup, low effort product with nostalgia bait as the way to draw quick and easy views. That's why they're starting to shovel out so much content, they're going for quantity rather than quality. It's sad because with something like the SW IP, they're just lazily rehashing existing characters rather than actually exploring new settings that aren't involved with the main saga (oneshot episodes for SW visions don't count). The success of KOTOR demonstrated that you can have success in an era outside of the Clone Wars to the Galactic Civil War, so it's a pity that Disney is creatively bankrupt and risk averse to take advantage of exploring the whole idea of SW being in a galaxy far far away and we instead get Tatooine being the pitstop for every major SW character.

I am positive that Disney has a Blunderbuss of Intellectual Property Dispersal +3, and they've modded it with a crank-belt fed system.

 AduroT wrote:
As a security guard, I find that entirely believable. She has authority and rank, and while outside her normal area, she was supposedly headed straight to report to the person in charge. Also we’re ten years into an organization where the higher ups have a habit of killing underlings who annoy them.

as a man who has done many a guard shift in a competent military, its completely unbelievable....without that final caveat. I have, as a private, told majors and half-colonels "no, go get clearance, then try again", and if/when they complained to my chain of command, the second word out of my bosses mouth was "off". As others have said, any security system that anyone with rank can bully though is not a security system.

HOWEVER....this is the Empire, and its not a competent military, and it IS run by people with a habit of abusing power and punishing underlings, so i can fully believe that she could get away with breaking the rules because of the implied special relationship she has.

So, what we have here is a shining example of the problems that this sort of toxic leadership can cause, and how is erodes proper discipline and weakens the organisation as a whole.

That the guard let her through after she threatened to tell Vader or the Grand Inquisitor makes sense with what we know from other films/shows. The Empire dominated the galaxy but fell apart rapidly because fear and loyalty to the name took precedence over logic and duty. Who cares about doing your job right, what if that officer does actually know Vader? Then you're dead. Better not to take the risk.