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Indeed. I do want to say I did enjoy the new episode. Lots of further increasing tensions and some stuff going on, it’s just not the explody arc finale I was expecting it to be.

 
   
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Yeah, that was my expectation as well and it would have been cool, but...

Spoiler:
... if Cassian likes his stay at the resort so much, I really don't begrudge him staying there a little while longer. He's earned it.

I will say that in addition to the episode being good as usual, I got my little happy moment out of the major deciding to bring in Military Intelligence to deal with that rebel cell Saw wanted nothing to do with. It's been in the trailer and was bound to happen at some point of course, but I've been looking forward to some Death Trooper action all this time. It might even be good considering how the show went so far.

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Sweet Jesus...
Let's hope there are no illusions that the Empire isn't bad after that.
Also ew. Creepy stalker.

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 Gert wrote:
Sweet Jesus...
Let's hope there are no illusions that the Empire isn't bad after that.


It was just a mining disaster, bruh!

 Gert wrote:
Also ew. Creepy stalker.


Well, they're certainly taking him in a distinct direction. Not that it says much, but I sure didn't see that coming.

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Yep, another solid entry (oooee)

I am again struck by just how…dour it all is. You can tell there’s some embers of resistance against The Imperial regime. Smouldering elements which, with the right attention will be fanned into the Galaxy wide Rebellion we all know and love.

And you know? This is showing that whilst Luke et al do go on to play major roles in the outcome? They weren’t catalysts for revolution. Which for me is super pleasing. It all would’ve happened regardless - though the outcome would’ve been much different were it not for Yavin (when of course The Emperor farted on his political Weetabix, having shown his hand then had some cheeky Chappy chew all his aces).

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A little annoyed I held out 3 weeks to watch and entire arc by itself then it's not a 3 episode arch like the last 6 episodes. But still very very enjoyable.

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Also folks? I finally remembered where I sort-of know Vel Sartha’s actor from.

It’s Game of Thrones. Where she played The Waif.

We have a mutual friend (as in, someone I used to work with) and so I spoke for us all by extending Nerddom’s overall thanks to her for being part of the best Star Wars production in a long old time.

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I think you might be able to drop the "in a long time".

Andor might just be the best Star Wars has ever been.

More competent bad guys please.


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 Lance845 wrote:
I think you might be able to drop the "in a long time".

Andor might just be the best Star Wars has ever been.

More competent bad guys please.


Ah ah ah!

Don’t tread on the childhood comfort memories! Yes my media literacy is now at least passable? But Teensy Tiny Wee Me? So wee they didn’t know Star Wars had sequels, but at that specific life moment not So Wee they don’t remember that specific bit of life learning? And kind of know they weren’t, in terms of script and acting terribly good? Still the first film to imprint itself indelibly upon my brian.

Andor is Frankly Magnificent. Staggeringly so. But? I’ll put to you and anyone else reading this that of it was a start up, no background, just it’s own merits, show? A significant part of its appeal goes straight out the window.

We love it as a show, precisely because it Is Not Star Wars By The Numbers. Remove those Numbers? Who can truly say?

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
 Lance845 wrote:
I think you might be able to drop the "in a long time".

Andor might just be the best Star Wars has ever been.

More competent bad guys please.


Ah ah ah!

Don’t tread on the childhood comfort memories! Yes my media literacy is now at least passable? But Teensy Tiny Wee Me? So wee they didn’t know Star Wars had sequels, but at that specific life moment not So Wee they don’t remember that specific bit of life learning? And kind of know they weren’t, in terms of script and acting terribly good? Still the first film to imprint itself indelibly upon my brian.

Andor is Frankly Magnificent. Staggeringly so. But? I’ll put to you and anyone else reading this that of it was a start up, no background, just it’s own merits, show? A significant part of its appeal goes straight out the window.

We love it as a show, precisely because it Is Not Star Wars By The Numbers. Remove those Numbers? Who can truly say?


Nostalgia value aside, go back and watch the first little story, episodes 1-3 of Andor and pretend it's just some new Sci Fi series.

Does it set up the circumstances? Do we see the oppressive government and the run down people? I would say yes, but I would also say we don't see the true scope of it here.

Now watch as we enter the second story. 4-6. Now we see the government above the government. We see the bureaucracy the little guys in the first story were answering to. We see the spy game at work. And we see the bigger picture the rebellion is fighting against.

Then look at that 3rd story 7-9. See the brutality of that system. See how it TRULY stamps on the little guy. Eats them up, chews them, and spits them out. AND we see the real spy game on the Rebellion side. The Mon Mothma stuff.


Andor is frankly a Game of Thrones of sci fi told from the perspective of the peasants. I don't think you need old Star Wars to appreciate what is going on. Now imagine the wizards showing up with their laser swords but painted in this grim world we are being shown?

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re the 3 episode arc structure:

The showrunner (Tony Gilroy) said that its actually
1-3 first arc
4-6 2nd arc
7 interstitial/joiner
8-10 3rd arc
11&12 finale

 
   
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I had a day off today with nothing to do so rewatched Rogue One.

Cassian's penultimate line in the movie is "Do you think anybody is listening?"

I had forgotten that, which makes the latest episode of Andor a lovely bit of foreshadowing.

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 Gert wrote:
Sweet Jesus...
Let's hope there are no illusions that the Empire isn't bad after that.
Also ew. Creepy stalker.


Never underestimate people's ability to rationalize attrocity.

Excellent episode. Really excellent episode.
   
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 LunarSol wrote:
 Gert wrote:
Sweet Jesus...
Let's hope there are no illusions that the Empire isn't bad after that.
Also ew. Creepy stalker.


Never underestimate people's ability to rationalize attrocity.

Excellent episode. Really excellent episode.


I quite agree.

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Fear makes “the ends justifies the means” all too tempting for people, including the justification of “enhanced interrogation techniques”.

Not that I sympathize for the Imperials, but it is interesting how show has avoided talking about what crimes the prisoners have committed. Most are there from before the increased sentences. Yet it is all to easy to assume they have only committed offenses as petty as Cassian has.

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I don't care how much money they have to give him.I really hope they don't kill off Andy Serkis' character as he's now up there with Stellan Skarsgard as best actor in show.

Saying that, was also really impressed with the ISB lady too.

Fantastic series all said.
   
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Watched Tales of the Jedi, was ok, although really felt like Clone Wars flashback ideas that didn't make it to screen

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Oh god the latest episode of Andor is superb.


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Sure is.

Can't wait for the season finale.

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So, so good. Great acting, great direction, great everything.

This really is an outstanding high point in Star Wars for me.

As I’ve said before, the words mature and gritty are all too often bandied around to describe pretty awful stuff with crap lighting and a blue filter. But they absolutely apply to Andor in the right ways.

There’s the general oppressive feeling. The mood is dour, somber and serious. Whilst the only stakes we’ve really seen are personal risk, the mood makes those stakes feel very high. And now a need for spoiler tags.

Spoiler:
Take the prison break. Some blaster fun, with those sounds we know and love, and indeed blasters we know and love. Yet…it’s restrained. It’s…realistic, so far as a sci-fi shoot out can get. People stood in the middle of the corridor…get shot.

When Gollum and Andor hit the control centre, their anger and menace is genuine. Yet they’re overall quite restrained. Also a nice bit of exposition that once shutdown, main power takes weeks to get back online. That such a claim seems…daft…doesn’t matter. It’s enough to move the plot along, and explain why they didn’t just switch the power back on. It also shows that while serious and desperate, and willing to kill? Gollum and Andor won’t kill for the sake of it. There’s no attempt to hunt down the remaining staff or execute the command station dudes for the sake of it.

Aaaahhhhhhh. It’s just so bloody good! More more more more more more more more more more more more more more.

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I do wish they had said hours rather than weeks. I don’t know how it could be weeks unless the act of turning it off causes mechanical breaks that need manual replacement of parts and equipment, whereas hours can be a case of priming stuff and easing systems back into place, and still plenty long enough for what was needed.

 
   
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Starwars is known for cascade design problems. Like small vents that can detonate your entire moo....er..space station. Or the loss of a bridge that totally destroys your entire super-city-star-destroyer.

Clearly some ethos of design or necessity of design with their technology seems to create a lot of systems where they work fine, but once they take damage they cause cascading failures everywhere which results in vast increases in damage and longer repairs.


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I think even hours is an awfully long time to start up a functioning hydroelectric generator. I'm just going to go with mechanical issues due to the shutdown.

In fact, I blame the bottomless pit. I mean, no one questioned that, right? The prison is a tube in a lake or ocean with a bottomless pit in the middle that the water rushing through the generators flows into. I have no idea how that's supposed to work, but it looks cool and the Empire sure loves its bottomless pits. The Scarif citadel had one of those too, didn't it?

I'd just put the generator startup time down to having a complex system that's fine while it's kept running but has so many issues after an interruption.

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Could also be fuses and that, where a full start up from cold blows them, so it has to be a level by level gradual build of demand.


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Either way it’s a neat, if slightly daft in reality, bit of exposition to move the plot along (and provide our heroes with the choice not to kill)

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I work security in a soybean rendering plant. No hydroelectric generators here, and I have no idea how any of this stuff works or what exactly they do in there, but if the plant has an issue and goes down it can take them a couple hours sometimes to get it going again. A few rare occasions have taken a couple days to fix. Weeks just feels like overkill unless that’s going to somehow effect future episodes. Not to mention the process to cause that was button, button, switch, done.

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Of more concern is why water on the floor shorts out of the floor. I’m curious what it’s doing that a person in contact with it isn’t. It’s needing to make connections the system normally wouldn’t. It would have to be leaks under the floor I would think since we saw the levels aren’t water tight.

 
   
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 AduroT wrote:
I work security in a soybean rendering plant. No hydroelectric generators here, and I have no idea how any of this stuff works or what exactly they do in there, but if the plant has an issue and goes down it can take them a couple hours sometimes to get it going again. A few rare occasions have taken a couple days to fix. Weeks just feels like overkill unless that’s going to somehow effect future episodes. Not to mention the process to cause that was button, button, switch, done.

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Of more concern is why water on the floor shorts out of the floor. I’m curious what it’s doing that a person in contact with it isn’t. It’s needing to make connections the system normally wouldn’t. It would have to be leaks under the floor I would think since we saw the levels aren’t water tight.


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Yeah, I'm not going to claim any worthwhile expertise either. I went and looked up the Wikipedia article that seems to confirm my hazy knowledge of power generation from whenever I picked that stuff up:

Hydropower is a flexible source of electricity since stations can be ramped up and down very quickly to adapt to changing energy demands. Hydro turbines have a start-up time of the order of a few minutes. Although battery power is quicker its capacity is tiny compared to hydro. It takes less than 10 minutes to bring most hydro units from cold start-up to full load; this is quicker than nuclear and almost all fossil fuel power.


It definitely seems unwarranted to go with such a long reboot time, but it occurs to me that it might be thematic instead of technical. Just like the Empire, its works run smoothly and efficiently as long as every little cog plays its part. But as soon as that is no longer the case, the whole thing comes to a halt and is no longer functional. The Empire is oftentimes described as heavy-handed, which is of course an apt general description, but when you try to look at reasons for why that might be the case, the suggestion might be that both on a societal and technological level it's just massively dogmatic and works according to a singular plan that must be followed no matter the cost or else it all comes crumbling down. It's the perfect machine and can do marvelous things as long as all goes well, and because of the need for all to go well, every effort must be taken to make that happen. And because every effort is taken, there is no need to question running the perfect machine over something else. It's the kind of circular logic that I could see the writers try to use to characterize the Empire at large.

Another thought, although this is baseless layman's speculation, is that modern hydroelectric generators are better than they were half a century ago. We mustn't forget that Star Wars uses Space 70s technology. You certainly couldn't stuff the computer that runs your Star Destroyer in your back pocket in the 70s. It might just be that the writers felt that a retro-technological touch was in order.

As for the button, button, switch thing, this is Star Wars. You know? Bottomless pits and no guard rails? Failsafes and workplace safety basically don't exist in the setting. Do bad things happen if you do those moves in that sequence? Yes. Is anybody going to do that? No. There is a technician on duty at that console and he is trained to know how his workstation works. Unauthorized personnel doesn't get to push buttons on strange consoles. Just tell them to keep their hands off that stuff unless ordered to shut down the power and everything will be wonderful. Failsafes? Pft. What could possibly go wrong?

About the water, the pipes behind the wall are made of metal, wet and have a constant stream of water connecting them to the floor. Possibly that's a way for the electricity to connect with the system?

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SW Tech has always been complete garbage. It's super analog despite being highly advanced. Droids are functioning AIs, but now ship is equipped with a ship AI. Consoles require physical keys in the form of 7" long USB sticks with manual buttons and levers.

Something in SW breaking down taking weeks to fix is completely reasonable. Nothing has been built for efficiency.


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There Is one ship with an AI, our Axis spy dude has one on his.

 
   
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That’s more a built in Droid rather than an AI. We’re yet to see it act of it’s own volition.

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