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 LordofHats wrote:
Why even bother with Star Wars street if you're going to radically alter a character out of nowhere oh wait Book of Boba Fett.

Two things that came across quite strongly in the Original Trilogy were:

1. Boba Fett has a heart of gold and wishes there to be no crime anywhere.
2. He feels deeply about protecting his people, that being the people of Tatooine, where he's not from, nor ever lived.

I'm rather disappointed a second time.

Boba Fett had the coolest toy.

His series was a bizarre mix of Dances with Wolves and Crime Lord of no Crime.

Sabine was a fun character who could be really interesting outside the shadow of the rest of the cast.

And they just slapped force powers on her, as if that was... I just don't get it. Is it just so they can insert some pointless drama between Sabine and Ahsoka? Can they just not be friends?

Yeah, not enthused at the reveal of Sabine being a Padawan of Ahsoka randomly, really doubt they'll be able to do Thrawn justice with how they've wasted Moff Gideon in the Mandalorian and the rando Ex Inquisitor/Sith wannabe duo are probably going to be "misunderstood" villains again ala Reva with a last minute heel turn.

The real question is if we're going to get some Obi Wan hijinks again of the Leia undercoat hiding variety or closer along the lines of Book of Boba Vespa gang chases.

 Turnip Jedi wrote:
still have my fingers crossed for a smart Thrawn rather than one determined to fail on the same basis that Palp did as in the galaxy is far too vast to be "properly" ruled, especially if you keep making stupid "Ieggs in one basket" mega-weapons rather than a big fleet, although he's kind of on a loser as the First Order has to happen...t

Yeah, smart Thrawn is a must. I think they pulled it off in Rebels where his defeats were either part of a (actually successful) plan or he got thwarted by things he did not understand and could not plan for. It would be a pretty big failure if they changed the character to be inexplicably dim to enable a cast of overly dumb good guys to succeed in spite of their general lack of competence. Writers have been struggling with that forever.

He's also been gone for a while, and has to rebuild or reorganize what's left of the Empire without the industrial base of the Republic turned Empire. It would be dead easy to let him make all the right choices and still end up in a fairly weak position.

Ultimately it doesn't matter much. We know he'll get thwarted by a small band of plucky rebels (eventually anyway, considering the Dave Filoni wrapup movie that's supposed to bring all the shows together) to make the sequel trilogy happen. In my opinion they should actually let him look good in failure instead of making him a moron who was bound to lose.

So yeah, fingers crossed.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So, this is about Sabine becoming a Jedi, despite having no force ability whatsoever?

Just like Mando S3 was really about Bo-Katan, and Obi-Wan was really about Reva.

Wonderful.

I'm tempted to give them the benefit of the doubt until the show removes it. Sabine got possessed by the spirit of a dead Nightsister once. It would be trivial to use that as a justification that the Force started flowing through her. Give it some time to manifest since it wasn't a part of Rebels, and there you go.

Is Sabine actually Ahsoka's Padawan or is it a jest. They've obviously travelled before and though Ahsoka isn't a proper Jedi it's still reminiscent of an older Lightsaber wielder travelling and training a younger one. Sabine was also trained by Kanan and IIRC he used the term Padawan as a term of respect between them during their training and in turn Sabine called him Master.
Honestly I think maybe folks are reading a bit too much into it even if cynicism is a bit justified given the slate of shows so far. But you never know, it could be as good as Andor.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:
Why even bother with Star Wars street if you're going to radically alter a character out of nowhere oh wait Book of Boba Fett.

Two things that came across quite strongly in the Original Trilogy were:

1. Boba Fett has a heart of gold and wishes there to be no crime anywhere.
2. He feels deeply about protecting his people, that being the people of Tatooine, where he's not from, nor ever lived.

3. He's a ruthless executioner who will kill first and ask questions later, so nasty that even Vader has to play nice with him.

BoBF could have been a decent show if they'd actually gone with the reformed killer idea and had him genuinely become a heroic figure after his near-death experience but instead they kept trying to portray him as the ruthless bounty hunter one moment and then oops, now he's a father figure to some random kids and wants to be a "crime lord" that does no crime. I don't know that it would have been ideal but at least it would have been consistent.

Yeah but then we wouldn't've got the Vespa Gang and their under-the-speed-limit chase against a minor character no one cared about.

Wut ? Wait ? Padawan Sabine, because being a tech genius and mistress of the rattle can wasn't enough she has to be a space wizard too ?

Not necessarily.

Sabine was trained to use the Darksaber. Here we see her using a Lightsaber. And Ahsoka was a Jedi Knight who has trained others.

The dialogue in the trailer is ambiguous. And we don’t see Sabine demonstrate force abilities. The closest is her lying prone with her hand held out and being told “you have no power”.

Add in we know Disney like their trailers to mislead to preserve story surprises? And I’m far from convinced Sabine is a force user.

It would be great to see her be a fake Jedi, like Haja Estree.... but with many more colorful explosives. Sabine's been established as a good swordfighter, and trained with Jedi. A bomb/inquisitor fight sequence would be really cool.


I'm excited, the trailer looks really good.

I'm aprehensive but hopeful on this one. Rebels turned into one of the best new additions though I feel like it lost steam as they tried to resolve Thrawn. There's equal chance it continues that course, but given how much of the success of Rebels was a result of wrapping up Clone Wars with it, its equally likely that this is going to really elevate those characters much the way Rebels itself gave Ahsoka such a huge boost in popularity.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who found the Sabine thing weird. Its been a while since I watched Rebels but I was pretty sure they never established that Sabine was being trained in the Force by Ahsoka.

That being said, its long been maintained by the Star Wars creative team (George Lucas, Pablo Hidalgo, Leland Chee, and also Dave Filoni) that literally anyone can learn to use the force given enough time, effort, and training, but very few do for a number of factors (the Jedi Order basically holding monopoly over knowledge of the force and limiting access to it, Jedi/trained force users being so rare that the vast majority of the galactic population would never encounter them or witness their abilities first-hand, thus believing them and their abilities to be fairy tale, superstition, or exaggeration, etc.). The midichlorian thing was meant to represent the Jedi Order had become institutionalized and bureaucratized and had become less "Jedi", more "Order". George had intended to explore that more (which he partially did through the Clone Wars series) but the backlash to the concept after The Phantom Menace pushed them away from mentioning the concept again in film.

I would guess that after much criticism and debate over that concept that anyone can use the force (because its not really clearly spelled out or delineated on screen), they might be trying to make it a bit more explicit.

 Turnip Jedi wrote:
Wut ? Wait ? Padawan Sabine, because being a tech genius and mistress of the rattle can wasn't enough she has to be a space wizard too ?

If you aren't a space wizard, you're a nobody. And nobodies can't affect the universe in Star Wars. You have to be part of a legacy.

Speaking of nobodies...without the cut to Chopper and the subtitles, I wouldn't have realized random twi'lek was supposed to be Hera.

Hera does indeed look nothing like the original character. I also strongly dislike this general trend of making Twi'lek just humans with noodly appendages. Put some prosthetics on there please, those are aliens.

That's such a weird thing to get annoyed about when Twileks are either spikey teeth creeps like Bib Fortuna or absolute super models like every single Twilek dancer with the only unifying feature being the head tails.

 BertBert wrote:
Hera does indeed look nothing like the original character.

One is a stylized animated character and the other an older version played by a real person so I wouldn't expect them to look exactly the same.

They managed it with sabine, so it must be possible.

No Pellaeon behind Thrawn? Big fail!

M.

Jokes aside I want to like this show, but given Disney's track record the bait, and switch of characters is a real fear.

Pellaeon was in the second last episode of the abysmal Mando Season 3, played by Xander Berkeley.

I'm hoping that won't be the only time we see him.

 BertBert wrote:
They managed it with sabine, so it must be possible.

It is odd that the human playing a normal looking human somehow more closely resembles the animation than the human playing an animated alien, but some mysteries were never meant to be solved.

 Ahtman wrote:

 BertBert wrote:
They managed it with sabine, so it must be possible.

It is odd that the human playing a normal looking human somehow more closely resembles the animation than the human playing an animated alien, but some mysteries were never meant to be solved.

I'm not convinced that they're trying to match the animated characters*. Bordizzo was a great pick for Sabine, but on the other end of the spectrum we have the Grand Inquisitor and Fifth Brother. Hera isn't all that terrible. Winstead's chin is massively off, but aside from that it's not the worst choice.

Maybe they chose based on correct boob size. That would explain a thing or two about Fifth Brother.



* And frankly, Rebels does have problems of its own. Ahsokas head is quite changed from her Clone Wars appearance, and (technical deficiencies of the live action alien masks aside) live action Ahsoka went back to Clone Wars in appearance instead of continuing Rebels.

Togruta heads grow/change shape as they age, thats even evident if you compare early TCW Ahsoka to late TCW Ahsoka (or the flashback sequences of baby/youngling Ahsoka). Rebels Ahsoka was supposed to be "adult stage" basically.

When they introduced live-action Ahsoka, they very specifically said they had to alter/reduce the size of her head prosthetics as it was too unwieldy for the actors and stunt doubles to perform in.

Sure, I figured it was supposed to be like that. I'm just saying now that we have a live action Ahsoka set further down the timeline, there's a discrepancy. And that suggests to me the show makers are focused more on practical solutions than continuity, which sets expectations for their casting choices.

Rewatching Mando S3 because I can.

And despite some tantalising bits here and there? Star Wars is yet to deliver a proper Space Battle since Rogue One.

So far as I’m aware Ahsoka will eventually tie into Mando and presumably Book of Boba, so I’m not expecting this oversight to be corrected in Ahsoka.

But I needs it. Look at Endor. Look at Scarrif. Exegol promised so much but was short on the delivery (I did enjoy it overall though).

I can’t keep watching and rewatching the same fan films to get my fix. Well that is of course a lie. I absolutely can and absolutely will do that. But I wants more!

I'm told Rise of Skywalker gave you a cavalry charge in your space battle. Why aren't you happy with that? It's like a bombing run with legs, which makes sense. Ships don't run! You wanted horsies all along and you got them! There!

As for Ahsoka, Hera is in it and she's a pilot. Would be rude not to give her something to do. Sure, we don't know if that will translate into a fleet battle or just a dog fight. But at least there's a chance, according to my crackpot theory of why Mando didn't get one.

But, granted, since we're expecting Mandalorian Book of Bobahsoka - The Movie! there's a good chance that they're reserving the big, climactic, expensive fleet battle for that.

I unironically enjoyed the sequel trilogy.

I’m just disappointed we didn’t get as much red hot, ship on ship action as we could’ve over Exegol.

But, hey. It did at least let us finally see B-Wings in action on the big screen. Kind of. I mean we see a couple, one of which gets immediately gibbed. But given they were cut from Return of the Jedi due to filming issues, and inexplicably weren’t added in for the Special Edition, I’ll take what I can get.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I unironically enjoyed the sequel trilogy.

And how successful has your search for professional help been?

 Geifer wrote:
But, granted, since we're expecting Mandalorian Book of Bobahsoka - The Movie! there's a good chance that they're reserving the big, climactic, expensive fleet battle for that.

Apparently the rumour of a big crossover film is bunk.

Dear god I'd hope so.

The last thing Star Wars needs is Star Wars Avengers.

After the successes that were Rebels and Mandalorian, you'd think they'd pick up that Star Wars stories not riddled with excessive cameos and their own sense of having their own bloody story to tell is the meal ticket.

Not constant back-references to prior material and side-bit characters that don't stand on their own very well.

TBF the news around anything Star Wars seems a bit crazy right now.
Acolyte was canceled then supposedly not canceled, there was a big rumour that there was going to be a super crossover and then nothing from the Star Wars Celebration confirmed that.