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I'd be surprised given that she's spent most of her time since quantupling down on what got her canned in the first place and her star has dimmed to someone who only appears in movies that appeal to a certain kind of person and that person just ain't the general film going audience Disney targets.

Maybe her character will come back? Who knows.

Well anything is possible. I just found out that the Rebellion was based on the Viet-Cong.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMTiXTDhhxK/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

(James Cameron interviewing George Lucas)

Wouldn't shock me.

Feel like the Vietnam War not so subtly influenced a lot of scifi back then. The Forever War. The Word for World is Forest. Aliens. Some fantasy too cause I'm pretty sure one of the factions in the Black Company was inspired by the Vietcong?

Honestly, especially in the US I feel like the popular image in our heads of plucky rebels fighting the big invading army, remains more or less the image of the Vietcong. Not like in a judgmental way per se. It's just that that's still kind of the go to I think of when I think about such things because it so permeated culture for so damn long.

Wanna guess who the Empire is? Yep. The United States. Throughout all George Lucas's films were political messages.

Which were scrubbed clean from the JJ Abrams moronic tripe that was so horrendously stupid that I'm surprised anyone watched the dailies and said, "I'm proud of this." On second thought they probably said, "Durrrr.... I'm so incompetent that I could commit crimes against humanity and not be charged... well let's test that theory and release a Star Wars film that makes the actors regret being in a Star Wars film."

Lord of the Rings has whole sections inspired by WW2. Suffice to say if you go looking you can spot inspirations in almost any major work.

Some will be overt intentional inspirations that the creator intended to be there; some are "well I needed a war so I used X war as a foundation" because that's a LOT easier than having to try coming up with everything yourself and spending years developing a backstory for a few chapters in the book

And some will be accidental where influences in their daily life simply bleed into their mind and creative ideas.

"Lord of the Rings has whole sections inspired by WW2." Some, as it was so close to when he published the first books. But it was mostly his time in WWI that influenced his writing. The battalions, the tenches, the chamaraderie of the troops, etc.
JRRT server in the trenches in WWI, but the Home Guard in WWII.

Ahh yes sorry I meant WW1!

I thought so. But so many people think it was WWII.
All good

I heard that Star Wars was about the WWII dogfights. That and Samurai films. Along with the Saturday Morning Serials like Flash Gordon, you've got it all covered.

 Lance845 wrote:
A Cara Dune series doesn't sound that appealing.

You know, I was sure they'd killed her off when Moff Gideon was 'rescued' from the New Republic shuttle - but looking at Wookieepedia I was wrong. I wonder where I got that idea from...

Star Wars is several genres in a trenchcoat, and somehow it works really well!

For me, I think when most people think of plucky rebels in the states; we think of the Minutemen and the stereotype of the "Frontier" Rifleman during the Revolution.

 nels1031 wrote:
Cara Dune series coming ?

A Lucasfilm spokesperson said in a statement provided to Variety, “The Walt Disney Company and Lucasfilm are pleased to announce that we have reached an agreement with Gina Carano to resolve the issues in her pending lawsuit against the companies. Ms. Carano was always well respected by her directors, co-stars, and staff, and she worked hard to perfect her craft while treating her colleagues with kindness and respect. With this lawsuit concluded, we look forward to identifying opportunities to work together with Ms. Carano in the near future.”

Yeah, no.

“we look forward to identifying opportunities to work together with Ms. Carano in the near future.” Is the corporate equivalent of “we’ll always be friends” in a break up.

I never saw the Acolyte, but it's on sale for 10 bucks.

Is the series worth owning/watching?

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
I never saw the Acolyte, but it's on sale for 10 bucks.

Is the series worth owning/watching?

I don't think so. Once you've seen it once you won't ever likely want to watch it again.

Just sign up for D+ for a month, watch The Acolyte once, & then binge as much other SW/Marvel/etc as you can. Much more cost effective.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
I never saw the Acolyte, but it's on sale for 10 bucks.

Is the series worth owning/watching?

I enjoyed it. The plot has some issues, but overall it's a fun romp and has some of the best fights in any of Disney's Star Wars offerings so far. And is cool for showing a different time period to those we'd seen before.

ccs wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
I never saw the Acolyte, but it's on sale for 10 bucks.

Is the series worth owning/watching?

I don't think so. Once you've seen it once you won't ever likely want to watch it again.

Just sign up for D+ for a month, watch The Acolyte once, & then binge as much other SW/Marvel/etc as you can. Much more cost effective.

With all the flashbacks and hopping around the timeline in a non-linear fashion, it might benefit from a second watching once you know what’s what.

That said, while I enjoyed watching it and liked parts, never bothered to give it the second watch, despite maintaining a Disney+ sub, so could do so at any time

I’ll agree that bang for buck, a month sub would be a much better deal. The Acolyte might be fun to watch, but not worth owning.

I guess I could buy a copy of Section 31 instead... that's also on sale for 10 bucks!

Thanks for the help!

 Nevelon wrote:

ccs wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
I never saw the Acolyte, but it's on sale for 10 bucks.

Is the series worth owning/watching?

I don't think so. Once you've seen it once you won't ever likely want to watch it again.

Just sign up for D+ for a month, watch The Acolyte once, & then binge as much other SW/Marvel/etc as you can. Much more cost effective.

With all the flashbacks and hopping around the timeline in a non-linear fashion, it might benefit from a second watching once you know what’s what.

No need. I caught it all the 1st time through. It's not that deep & complex of a show.

 Nevelon wrote:
That said, while I enjoyed watching it and liked parts, never bothered to give it the second watch, despite maintaining a Disney+ sub, so could do so at any time

There's only two reasons I might ever watch Acolyte again.
1) It's Christmas over at my cousins house & for some reason have this playing. So an episode or two, or more likely just bits of in between meal, opening gifts, etc.
2) If some years from now Disney decides to do another season of it. Or a something spun off of it. Then maybe a rewatch in prep for the new thing.

Acolyte is a frustrating one for me. I love the depiction of the Old Republic in it. This feels like the Old Republic I imagined from Alec Guiness's description in ANH and I'd love to see more stories set here.

THIS story though, is frustratingly almost good, but really struggles in the way it's told. In part, I think the performances just don't sell it, but it also seems to struggle deciding which mystery it wants to focus on, which I can't tell is an issue with the script or the editing.

I ended up liking it more when it was over than I did while I was watching it. There are some high points I really enjoyed, but not enough to say it was "good". I want more, but not of the quality we got.

I seem to have enjoyed it more than most.

Its reputation is overblown, and whilst I’m not saying “therefore everyone am wrong”, it’s really not as bad as the more vocal sources claim.

The main thing to keep in mind is it’s a mystery show. When something isn’t revealed right away, that’s by design, not bad/sloppy writing.

The chant thing is a bit cringe, I’ll give you that. And the whole “power of one, power of two” goes frustrating under explored. The lightsaber duels are right up there with the best though.

I still hope we’ll see a follow up at some point.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

The main thing to keep in mind is it’s a mystery show. When something isn’t revealed right away, that’s by design, not bad/sloppy writing.

While true, I think its also the way the show asks its initial questions that makes its mysteries more frustrating than intriguing. The show opens up with this mystery woman who kills a Jedi and then cuts to her far away with no memory of this. It's an intriguing setup almost immediately tossed aside when her former master than immediately tells us its probably her evil twin sister who is supposed to be dead. I honestly think that starts the show off on a such a bad footing its hard to get invested in the mystery that follows. The show struggles to commit to a central mystery and pays them off a little too haphazardly to satisfy.

I definitely like a lot of it and most of the complaints you see online really don't get to the heart of what's wrong with it and get sidetracked with stupid culture war nonsense like everything Star Wars related that makes it incredibly hard to break down why the show doesn't land and unfortunately also overlooks what it genuinely does well.

I will continue to hate that travel times and distances meant nothing in the show. People would pretty much teleport around the galaxy at the speed of plot.

While certainly annoying, that's been the case since the Prequels, though.

 insaniak wrote:
While certainly annoying, that's been the case since the Prequels, though.

This. It takes the same amount of time for Yoda to fly across Coruscant to get to Sidious as it does for Obi-Wan to fly to Mustafar.

And then Sidious can get from Coruscant to Mustafar within enough time that not only is Anakin not dead from being a toasty marshmallow, but they can fly back to Coruscant to get Anakin kitted out in a fancy cyborg suit before Padme even finishes labour.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
While certainly annoying, that's been the case since the Prequels, though.

This. It takes the same amount of time for Yoda to fly across Coruscant to get to Sidious as it does for Obi-Wan to fly to Mustafar.

And then Sidious can get from Coruscant to Mustafar within enough time that not only is Anakin not dead from being a toasty marshmallow, but they can fly back to Coruscant to get Anakin kitted out in a fancy cyborg suit before Padme even finishes labour.

The Last Jedi was also guilty of time bending speeds.

☆☆☆☆

Just so I understand. Watch the Acolyte, just don't pay for it.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Just so I understand. Watch the Acolyte, just don't pay for it.

Pay for it, and then go to the change.org petition page and vote to get a second season. I need more lulz.

It had very few neat bits, but it was overwhelmingly ass.

I particularly hate it because, IMO it poisoned the Star Wars well(further) and the thoroughly great Skeleton Crew suffered in viewership, which probably means we'll get nothing like Skeleton Crew again.

The Acolyte was not without issues, but it was not as bad as it was made out to be. Full of flaws, but also some good bits. Don’t go into it expecting great things, but enjoy what it has.

It had plot holes, pacing issues, could have been edited a bit better, and squandered potential. But worth watching IMHO.

I'd wager it would have done better if we weren't in a period of serious overindulgence due to streaming.
In terms of live-action, we had three seasons of Mando, Book of Boba Fett, Kenobi, Ahsoka, and Andor S1 all before the Acolyte came out. Add in Clone Wars S7, three seasons of Bad Batch, two Tales Of X anthologies, and two Visions anthologies.
That's a lot of Star Wars in just five years.

The Acolyte suffers from the same problem that ST Discovery and Ironheart did, IMO. The main character (or characters, in this case) is probably the least interesting part of it. There's a lot of interesting stuff going on and there's probably a good story and a good series in there somewhere, but it isn't the one they chose to concentrate on.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
While certainly annoying, that's been the case since the Prequels, though.

This. It takes the same amount of time for Yoda to fly across Coruscant to get to Sidious as it does for Obi-Wan to fly to Mustafar.

And then Sidious can get from Coruscant to Mustafar within enough time that not only is Anakin not dead from being a toasty marshmallow, but they can fly back to Coruscant to get Anakin kitted out in a fancy cyborg suit before Padme even finishes labour.

I'd contend that while still dumb, it's markedly different in Acolyte because the time warp forms a substantial plot hole from episode 1 of the series and all of the characters are too artificially stupid to ask basic questions in a mystery series.

How Osha could possibly have gotten from A to B to A again and then to C is a pivotal step one question absolutely no one bothers to ask (followed by, frankly a series of other high questionable plot points that do little more than invite us to wonder who wrote this gak rather than wonder what's going on), which for a show that sets itself up as a mystery is a cardinal sin that then dogs the rest of the series by calling out how lazy the plot is from the get go. This is similar to the core problem of the prequel trilogy; the Jedi never bother to ask any of the pertinent questions about how the Clone Army came to exist at all, or how Dooku was connected to it despite ample reason to see one as directly connected to the other and be suspicious.

The fact that some crummy movies had also committed the same flaw, isn't really a defense of the Acolyte at all. At least the prequels have Ian McGregor saying 'hello there' and a bizarrely poetic rant about how much sand sucks. At least those edge into the realm of being so bad they're kind of good.

I love in Attack of the Clones Count Dooku lays out to Obi-Wan exactly what is happening, but Obi-wan is too convinced of his own righteousness to believe it. That was my favorite part if the pre-quels.