Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:
No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
Times and dates in your local timezone.
Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.
If you are already a member then feel free to login now.
2019/07/02 15:25:25
Subject: Spider-Man: Far From Home (Beware - there will probably be spoilers in here!)
Cracking film overall. As others have said, well paced, beautifully shot etc.
Spoiler:
I also picked up on a snippet of chat between Fury and Hill, mentioning Kree sleeper cells... Easily missed, but definitely in there.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Though, that being said.....
It does retain the deliberate goofiness of the first. Now I for one loved that. But, if it put you off Homecoming, you may want to think of you want to watch this one.
I still recommend it, because it is really funny! But, yeah.
This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2019/07/02 15:50:43
Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives? Why not join us?
I do not recall a single Stan Lee reference in the movie. At the beginning there was what I assumed would be an "in memoriam" for Stan Lee but it turned out to be for... someone else.
lord_blackfang wrote: Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
Flinty wrote: The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock
2019/07/03 03:07:02
Subject: Spider-Man: Far From Home (Beware - there will probably be spoilers in here!)
I saw it. Echo all the it's really great. However...
H.B.M.C. wrote: I've always said that Spider-Man: Homecoming was only called that because Marvel wouldn't've gotten away with calling it Spider-Man: Victory Lap.
Anyway, Far From Home, which I saw yesterday:
Spoiler:
You can forget your Sinister 6 dreams if they involve Mysterio, 'cause he dead!
Overall this was a well paced and amusing movie that did a lot to develop Peter as a character in a post-Snap/un-Snap/post-Tony Stark world. Peter is filled with self-doubt and a desire to run away from it all, but is eventually pulled back in when he realises that he's being foolish.
Major props to Jake Giggawatt for his portrayal of Quentin Beck. An amazing character that comes across as so noble and self-sacrificing for so much of the movie that even those expecting him to be full of gak will forget that he is a bold-faced liar, and always has been.
His whole [/i]"I'm from another universe, and I'm hear to save yours!"[/i] is of course total utter horse gak, and the modernisation of his backstory (including a real deep dive into Iron Man 1!) is really well put together. Also the "illusion" sequences where Beck is fething with Peter are very cool to look at.
The rest of the cast does a good job for the most part, with Zendaya getting a lot more to do this time around. Ned/Betty's storyline didn't really ring true to me and was just kind of annoying, even if it helped move things along in places. Their hapless teacher chaperones are very funny. Flash is a stuck-up moron as usual. Happy is great. Fury/Hill (such as they are), are a lot of fun. May is... ummph.
So yeah, a generally enjoyable film that I will certainly be seeing again.
Ok, separate section for the two (very very very important) post-credit scenes:
Spoiler:
We'll start with the second one that comes right at the end.
Fury and Hill were not Fury and hill for the entire film. Instead they were Talos and his wife. Skrulls!!! Except they're working for Fury, and Fury is on a space station/ship somewhere, crewed by other Skrulls. It opens up -so- many questions.
And the first post-credits scene changes this from a nice resolution to a complete cliffhanger, with Beck's final "Feth you!" to Peter revealing Spider-Man's identity and framing him for the attack in London and doing so by way of none other than J. Jonah Jameson played once again, and in a moment that made the audience in my theatre cheer, by JK Simmons!!! That sequence was short, but incredible, and just makes you want to see what happens next.
Here's hoping that we get some kind of tease at Comic-Con this year.
So have fun with that guys.
[EDIT]: One other thing I do want to bring up, and this isn't a spoiler for the film, is just how large Tony Stark/Iron Man looms over the entire events of the film. Everywhere they go across Europe there are establishing shots or camera pans that show off murals or graffiti of Stark/Iron Man. Some are in airports, some are just on building walls, some are shrines surrounded by candles. They never really draw attention to it, but it's an effective visual motif.
Also, this movie straight up shows what the un-Snap looked like. It's very funny.
Spoiler:
There is no chance in hell that Mysterio is dead. Let me lay out a case.
1) In the comic Beck has faked his death before.
2) the contract for Sony Spiderman movies states that Peter is not allowed to kill or through inaction allow others to die. It can never be his fault.
3) Beck says "I am going to show them exactly what I want them to see,"
Then he has a hologram of himself get shot. Not himself. Then he edits together a video that shows all those shots where he was not in the Mysterio suit except he is now in the suit on camera and from a new angle. He even gave Peter the glasses to do the thing even though the glasses don't actually do anything anymore. In fact, they established earlier in the movie that they require confirmation to transfer control, which Beck never did. That video is interspersed with self shot video of him making reveals while "injured" which can only happen if hes planning to be injured and he filmed it before or after. And finally, Peters only method for checking to make sure he was dead was to use the glasses (which again, are not the actual control method for Edith anymore. Beck took it out of the glasses) and he doesn't need a hologram to just do some good acting and make use of practical effects. The crew that picks up his "body" is just his support staff. They fake him dieing a hero, defame Spiderman, and sit around laughing their asses off. When he shows back up, he just pretends to be THIS Earths Beck since everyone still believes he is from another dimension.
Not only is Mysertio still alive. He still has full control over a fleet of drones and a series of satellites. He got away with everything in this movie.
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
2019/07/03 07:15:26
Subject: Spider-Man: Far From Home (Beware - there will probably be spoilers in here!)
Further ponderings from the foetid mire I'm assured is actually my brain....
Highlight of the film, for me?
Spoiler:
When Mysterio goes Full Mysterio on Spidey. It reminds me heavily of Scarecrow in Arkham Asylum, and I don't think that's coincidence. It's wonderfully executed overall.
Showing how powerful Mysterio can be when, as Spidey correctly says 'he's just a guy' is a worthy addition to the MCU in terms of villians - and he's definitely up there in terms of memorable ones. In fact, I make that two for two in terms of Spidey Villains.
Really do hope we get to see a Vulture and Mysterio team-up. Because I am also unconvinced he defo, 100% carked it. Unless The Authorities recovered his body, and there was a post-mortem.
This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2019/07/03 07:59:12
Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives? Why not join us?
There is no chance in hell that Mysterio is dead. Let me lay out a case.
Spoiler:
Plus, we can't be sure that anything he did in that scene that didn't involve physical contact with Peter (ie, when his arm is grabbed) was really him, including getting shot.
And I did have some moments when i was thinking "huh, Nick Fury's changed a bit since being restored", but I didn't know it was building up to that.
And I kind of liked the the villain's motivation was virtually the same as whatsisface from Iron Man 3, only now it was meant to be absurdly petty.
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2019/07/05 21:56:55
"The 75mm gun is firing. The 37mm gun is firing, but is traversed round the wrong way. The Browning is jammed. I am saying "Driver, advance." and the driver, who can't hear me, is reversing. And as I look over the top of the turret and see twelve enemy tanks fifty yards away, someone hands me a cheese sandwich."
2019/07/05 22:42:58
Subject: Spider-Man: Far From Home (Beware - there will probably be spoilers in here!)
There is no chance in hell that Mysterio is dead. Let me lay out a case.
Spoiler:
Plus, we can't be sure that anything he did in that scene that didn't involve physical contact with Peter (ie, when his arm is grabbed) was really him, including getting shot.
And I did have some moments when i was thinking "huh, Nick Fury's changed a bit since being restored", but I didn't know it was building up to that.
And I kind of liked the the villain's motivation was virtually the same as whatsisface from Iron Man 3, only now it was meant to be absurdly petty.
Spoiler:
Also i would like to point out that once again the real villain is Tony Stark. Who not only makes all his own villains but most of everyone elses. At this point the tinker, shocker, vulture, and mysterio are more or less directly Tonys fault. Along with ultron, iron monger, the entire organization aim, whiplash, and more to come in the future i am sure.
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
2019/07/06 00:46:10
Subject: Spider-Man: Far From Home (Beware - there will probably be spoilers in here!)
There is no chance in hell that Mysterio is dead. Let me lay out a case.
Spoiler:
Plus, we can't be sure that anything he did in that scene that didn't involve physical contact with Peter (ie, when his arm is grabbed) was really him, including getting shot.
And I did have some moments when i was thinking "huh, Nick Fury's changed a bit since being restored", but I didn't know it was building up to that.
And I kind of liked the the villain's motivation was virtually the same as whatsisface from Iron Man 3, only now it was meant to be absurdly petty.
Spoiler:
Also i would like to point out that once again the real villain is Tony Stark. Who not only makes all his own villains but most of everyone elses. At this point the tinker, shocker, vulture, and mysterio are more or less directly Tonys fault. Along with ultron, iron monger, the entire organization aim, whiplash, and more to come in the future i am sure.
Spoiler:
I'm still really annoyed about the misuse of AIM. This whole group of villains behind Mysterio could have been AIM related.
I wonder if they are going to try and set up a Brand New Day storyline with that Mysterio reveal at the end.
While I didn't love FFH, I think it is interesting how they are trying to use Spider-Man as the new Iron Man. He's young enough where if he is fine with playing the role for a while he could be Spider-Man for decades.
2019/07/06 00:53:21
Subject: Spider-Man: Far From Home (Beware - there will probably be spoilers in here!)
Another disappointing one for me, maybe it's me and not the movies, but I have just gotten bored of the utterly predictable and contrived marvel movies, I was even bored by the mess that was end game :(
2019/07/06 03:23:59
Subject: Spider-Man: Far From Home (Beware - there will probably be spoilers in here!)
Lance845 wrote: I saw it. Echo all the it's really great. However...
H.B.M.C. wrote: I've always said that Spider-Man: Homecoming was only called that because Marvel wouldn't've gotten away with calling it Spider-Man: Victory Lap.
Anyway, Far From Home, which I saw yesterday:
Spoiler:
You can forget your Sinister 6 dreams if they involve Mysterio, 'cause he dead!
Overall this was a well paced and amusing movie that did a lot to develop Peter as a character in a post-Snap/un-Snap/post-Tony Stark world. Peter is filled with self-doubt and a desire to run away from it all, but is eventually pulled back in when he realises that he's being foolish.
Major props to Jake Giggawatt for his portrayal of Quentin Beck. An amazing character that comes across as so noble and self-sacrificing for so much of the movie that even those expecting him to be full of gak will forget that he is a bold-faced liar, and always has been.
His whole [/i]"I'm from another universe, and I'm hear to save yours!"[/i] is of course total utter horse gak, and the modernisation of his backstory (including a real deep dive into Iron Man 1!) is really well put together. Also the "illusion" sequences where Beck is fething with Peter are very cool to look at.
The rest of the cast does a good job for the most part, with Zendaya getting a lot more to do this time around. Ned/Betty's storyline didn't really ring true to me and was just kind of annoying, even if it helped move things along in places. Their hapless teacher chaperones are very funny. Flash is a stuck-up moron as usual. Happy is great. Fury/Hill (such as they are), are a lot of fun. May is... ummph.
So yeah, a generally enjoyable film that I will certainly be seeing again.
Ok, separate section for the two (very very very important) post-credit scenes:
Spoiler:
We'll start with the second one that comes right at the end.
Fury and Hill were not Fury and hill for the entire film. Instead they were Talos and his wife. Skrulls!!! Except they're working for Fury, and Fury is on a space station/ship somewhere, crewed by other Skrulls. It opens up -so- many questions.
And the first post-credits scene changes this from a nice resolution to a complete cliffhanger, with Beck's final "Feth you!" to Peter revealing Spider-Man's identity and framing him for the attack in London and doing so by way of none other than J. Jonah Jameson played once again, and in a moment that made the audience in my theatre cheer, by JK Simmons!!! That sequence was short, but incredible, and just makes you want to see what happens next.
Here's hoping that we get some kind of tease at Comic-Con this year.
So have fun with that guys.
[EDIT]: One other thing I do want to bring up, and this isn't a spoiler for the film, is just how large Tony Stark/Iron Man looms over the entire events of the film. Everywhere they go across Europe there are establishing shots or camera pans that show off murals or graffiti of Stark/Iron Man. Some are in airports, some are just on building walls, some are shrines surrounded by candles. They never really draw attention to it, but it's an effective visual motif.
Also, this movie straight up shows what the un-Snap looked like. It's very funny.
Spoiler:
There is no chance in hell that Mysterio is dead. Let me lay out a case.
1) In the comic Beck has faked his death before.
2) the contract for Sony Spiderman movies states that Peter is not allowed to kill or through inaction allow others to die. It can never be his fault.
3) Beck says "I am going to show them exactly what I want them to see,"
Then he has a hologram of himself get shot. Not himself. Then he edits together a video that shows all those shots where he was not in the Mysterio suit except he is now in the suit on camera and from a new angle. He even gave Peter the glasses to do the thing even though the glasses don't actually do anything anymore. In fact, they established earlier in the movie that they require confirmation to transfer control, which Beck never did. That video is interspersed with self shot video of him making reveals while "injured" which can only happen if hes planning to be injured and he filmed it before or after. And finally, Peters only method for checking to make sure he was dead was to use the glasses (which again, are not the actual control method for Edith anymore. Beck took it out of the glasses) and he doesn't need a hologram to just do some good acting and make use of practical effects. The crew that picks up his "body" is just his support staff. They fake him dieing a hero, defame Spiderman, and sit around laughing their asses off. When he shows back up, he just pretends to be THIS Earths Beck since everyone still believes he is from another dimension.
Not only is Mysertio still alive. He still has full control over a fleet of drones and a series of satellites. He got away with everything in this movie.
OK...
Spoiler:
I REALLY hope you're right as Mysterio is one of my favorite villains AND Jake was killing it (pun intended!) as Mysterio - especially once he had it all and was the director of his own real life movie!
Mysterio Inc. has real potential - and as much as I really want him to still be alive and in charge, I think moving forward someone else in his crew will be "Mysterio" - but I hope I'm wrong and it is still Quentin/Jake Gyllenhaal.
After all, I think Peter only asked E.D.I.T.H. "Is this real?" and E.D.I.T.H. responded with something like "All illusions are down" - leaving a nice loophole for Quentin to be 'for real' "faking" being dead there...maybe?
2019/07/06 04:41:20
Subject: Re:Spider-Man: Far From Home (Beware - there will probably be spoilers in here!)
"Beck" is truly dead. Ralphie from A Christmas Story is seen downloading something to a flash drive after Mysterio's death, and running off with it. Considering he was the Guy in the Chair/effect wizard for Mysterio, he probably had a ton of raw footage of Beck from earlier rehearsals. He cut and edited this stuff with recordings from the damaged drones that were around Beck when he died, and used the same technowizard necromancy Disney used to bring Pete Cushing back from the dead for Rogue One to have Mysterio finger Spidey for all the evil. Now, this doesn't prevent Mysterio from showing up in a Sinister Six movie, as Ralphie still has a few drones he himself built/controls (ones they had before they got control of EDITH) and all the shots of Mysterio flying/fighting were hologram projections anyway... so, it will be Ralphie pretending to be Mysterio, instead of Beck pretending to be Mysterio.
At least, that's how I expect it will play out.
Overall, I seriously dug this movie. I loved Homecoming; I loved this one. I'm digging the new Spidey series. I especially like that they made MJ so much less hate-able this time around. She's actually a genuinely fun character once or twice in the movie. And I love how Happy got brought back in line with his earlier portrayals. He was a dismissive jerk in Homecoming, but they let him go back to his somewhat goofy, but supportive self. But the best character for me is the science teacher, Mr Dell. J.B. Smoove is solid gold. He steals every scene he is in.
Emperor's Eagles (undergoing Chapter reorganization)
Caledonian 95th (undergoing regimental reorganization)
Thousands Sons (undergoing Warband re--- wait, are any of my 40K armies playable?)
2019/07/06 06:00:53
Subject: Re:Spider-Man: Far From Home (Beware - there will probably be spoilers in here!)
I am going to write some stuff in spoilers and do not want it to appear on mouse over of the thread.
Spoiler:
EDITH is not in the glasses anymore. The moment Beck (not even his real name BTW. If you remember during his speech he points to his story writer and says something along the lines of "A story about a man named Quentin from another world...". We don't know WHO he is.) finished his speech he handed off the glasses and told them to upload EDITH into their system. When he was doing the test of the combined elementals in the room with the pillars he called on EDITH with a couple clicks of a keyboard and spoke to her WITHOUT the glasses to search for the missing projector. The glasses don't do anything any more. PLUS, It was established in the bar that you have to command her to transfer control and give vocal confirmation. Which he never did. The whole thing, including EDITH saying "Execute all commands?" was set up to get Peter to say "Execute". Which means he intended for Peter to get the glasses in the first place (which again do nothing) which means he intended to get himself put into a position where he "looses" and Peter takes them. When Peter asks EDITH if it was real, there is a slight delay, and then a response, as though someone else is speaking into a mike and having their voice modulated to EDITHs. "You'll see Peter. People want to believe. And these days... they will believe anything." He is EXACTLY the kind of prick to tell Peter his plan as he does it knowing Peter won't get it.
Again, No fething way he's dead. The Mysterio that ended up on the ground dieing was FINE when he pulled the gun on him. The worst thing that happened to him was getting his wrist grabbed. So why did he fall down and die? Because he shows a reality after a reality after a reality so fast that you start mixing up the details. THAT one got shot, so when this one PRETENDS to have been shot you don't remember that it was the illusion that got shot and not the one you are looking at now. It worked on Peter and it worked on the movie going audience. The other major clue is the dome helmet. When it's really him the dome is there. When it's the illusion it's not. (He fakes getting himself shot by Fury (no dome helmet) pretends to be Fury, then steps out of the illusion and is himself (dome helmet).) After he fills the bridge with drones and they illusion up and Peter uses his spider sense you never see the dome again. No Beck from that point forward is wholly the real Beck. At best it's him inside of a illusion suit like in the test room. When the drones fly away, it's because Mysterio Inc. sends them away to complete the illusion.
This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 2019/07/06 07:42:36
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
2019/07/07 02:09:19
Subject: Spider-Man: Far From Home (Beware - there will probably be spoilers in here!)
OMG... my buddy just told me something he says he noticed that might confirm things (more). Ive already seen the movie twice this weekend so I won't get to see it again for a bit. If anyone else goes to see it and can confirm or deny this I would really appreciate it.
I am going to write some stuff in spoilers and do not want it to appear on mouse over of the thread.
Spoiler:
Okay...
So at the end of the bridge fight things play out like this.
1) Peter busts through the floor feet first, sticks the ceiling, grabs Mysterio and punches him in the face mask breaking the clear dome with all the read outs on it.
2) Some drones separate them. Mysterio is on the opposite side of the bridge and he calls in the bunches of drones and they all illusion up.
3) Peter does his spider sense fight.
4) Beck is like "Why arn't these drones shooting!" EDITH "You are in the kill zone" Beck: "Fire them ALL!" and Beck gets shot.
Here is the question. When Beck has that drone conversation and he is yelling is he wearing the clear dome helmet with the readouts and if he is, is it cracked or in perfect condition?
My friend says he IS wearing it AND that it is in perfect condition which means that whole drone conversation bit is ALSO a complete illusion. In my memory he is not wearing the dome which also means it's an illusion. But maybe he is wearing the damaged version? Unlikely. If anyone sees the movie again please confirm or not. Much appreciated.
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2019/07/07 04:15:04
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
2019/07/07 04:26:41
Subject: Spider-Man: Far From Home (Beware - there will probably be spoilers in here!)
I feel like the Spider-sense wasn't handled well. It isn't working for some reason, and I don't think we ever get a reason it wasn't working, but then when he wants it to work at the end it does work, but why? Because he wanted it to work?
2019/07/07 17:02:29
Subject: Re:Spider-Man: Far From Home (Beware - there will probably be spoilers in here!)
I feel like the Spider-sense wasn't handled well. It isn't working for some reason, and I don't think we ever get a reason it wasn't working, but then when he wants it to work at the end it does work, but why? Because he wanted it to work?
I always assumed it was due to stress and being overwhelmed by the loss of Stark and pressure to fill his shoes. It's the whole reason he didn't want to bring the suit to Europe.
Spoiler:
Regarding Mysterio, like Loki, there is always precedent in the comics to doubt their deaths. I certainly hope we haven't seen the last of Mysterio. It would be too easy to write him back in, alive, as part if the Sinister 6. Which could all currently be characters that have beef with Stark or the Avengers in general
-
2019/07/08 01:41:23
Subject: Spider-Man: Far From Home (Beware - there will probably be spoilers in here!)
Ahtman wrote: It's not a Spidey Sense it is a Peter Tingle!
All in all it was fun, Spiderman lends itself to great fights
I think Mysterio would be proud seeing all the debates as to whether he is alive or not.[/spoiler]
MY take on mysterio
Spoiler:
He is dead, mostly because IMO, there are two reasons, mostly out of story
1: They never mentioned they didnt find the body, I think they would be the first thing they would do
2: While sometimes they do(Like Loki) the MCU movies dont carry villains over, so my guess is he is gone
Now my take on the movie. I have never been a fan of "Teenage" Spiderman stories, I liked Collage and Adult SPiderman. This romance with MJ is why, I hate teenage romance.
The twist was expected but I didnt expect as to why. IT is interesting all of Spider Mans villains so far are screwed over by Tony(Kinda Like Tony Himself)
5000pts 6000pts 3000pts
2019/07/08 04:05:13
Subject: Spider-Man: Far From Home (Beware - there will probably be spoilers in here!)
Ahtman wrote: It's not a Spidey Sense it is a Peter Tingle!
All in all it was fun, Spiderman lends itself to great fights
I think Mysterio would be proud seeing all the debates as to whether he is alive or not.[/spoiler]
MY take on mysterio
Spoiler:
He is dead, mostly because IMO, there are two reasons, mostly out of story
1: They never mentioned they didnt find the body, I think they would be the first thing they would do
2: While sometimes they do(Like Loki) the MCU movies dont carry villains over, so my guess is he is gone
Now my take on the movie. I have never been a fan of "Teenage" Spiderman stories, I liked Collage and Adult SPiderman. This romance with MJ is why, I hate teenage romance.
The twist was expected but I didnt expect as to why. IT is interesting all of Spider Mans villains so far are screwed over by Tony(Kinda Like Tony Himself)
Spoiler:
Mysterio Inc. run a bar, a bus line, and seem to be everywhere filling whatever role is needed. You think Beck's lackeys couldn't have pretended to be EMT's who got on the scene, collected the "body", and took him back to their base? Vulture and Scorpion and Tinker AND Shocker 2 all survived spiderman 1.
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
2019/07/08 05:55:56
Subject: Spider-Man: Far From Home (Beware - there will probably be spoilers in here!)
Nick Fury was of course Talos, who confirms Beck had even him fooled.
So in terms of clean up, quite possible things were a bit lax.
However, the majority of Beck’s tricks were heavily rehearsed. We see this when he’s planning the London battle. And they really weren’t expecting Spidey to drop on in. So whilst he’s proven capable of some stuff on the fly, I’m not 100% he could set all of that up without prior warning?
Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives? Why not join us?
Nick Fury was of course Talos, who confirms Beck had even him fooled.
So in terms of clean up, quite possible things were a bit lax.
However, the majority of Beck’s tricks were heavily rehearsed. We see this when he’s planning the London battle. And they really weren’t expecting Spidey to drop on in. So whilst he’s proven capable of some stuff on the fly, I’m not 100% he could set all of that up without prior warning?
Spoiler:
Addressed in the movie.
He tells Mysterio Inc. to bring down the illusion of the mega elemental. They do. Then a little bit later they have a breif conversation "Okay... bringing the new illusion online. I can't wait to see how you're going to pull this off"
While spidey was stuck flipping over and under the bridge being lit on fire and dodging drone after drone after drone Mysterio was mapping out the whole plan while his team made adjustments. They even have a line where the costume lady asks if he still needs the cape (and he does!). Because he puts that suit back on when he later records himself talking into a camera "Spiderman is gunna kill me! His real name is Peter Parker!" Edit together the cut and release it a day or so later.
Sorry if I am being annoying with this to anyone. Mysterio is now my favorite MCU villian.
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2019/07/08 06:05:33
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
2019/07/08 09:04:06
Subject: Spider-Man: Far From Home (Beware - there will probably be spoilers in here!)
So while I am with the others in thinking he is 100% alive and everything "proving" he dies was for Peter's benefit (i.e. the glasses told him there were no illusions up, but since Beck never transferred control back, I don't believe that for a second), there is another possibility:
Beck really is dead, but Jake G will still be back to play him in a later film. His crew is still alive and can very well fabricate Beck coming back using some advanced drone trickery. While Beck called the shots and developed the tech, he was also the "face" more or less and since other's "wrote the story/dialogue", I'm sure they'd have no issues bringing Mysterio back without Beck (or whatever his real name was)
That could easily be a way for him to both be dead in traditional MCU fashion, but also come back
Just a thought.
-
This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 2019/07/08 14:06:37
.... I enjoyed the Mysterio illusions because they were so heavily psychological and pointed towards what Spider-man wanted to believe or was feeling. Very cool.
The idea that all of Tony's enemies were made by Stark makes sense, since Spidey was also "made by Stark". Therefore, when Spidey faces off against Mysterio he is facing off against a version of himself in the grand Marvel tradition of the Hero having to defeat himself in order to be heroic.
I liked the small moment at the end where the group gets home, and everyone is getting greeted, and Flash is also being greeted by his "family". It added a great deal of depth to that small character.
Finally, the discussion of Power Rangers vs. Voltron was amusing to me as a Nerd.
Maybe I didn't need spoiler tags, but just in case.....
I enjoyed all the post-snap repercussions in this show.
This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2019/07/08 14:50:28
Support Blood and Spectacles Publishing:
https://www.patreon.com/Bloodandspectaclespublishing
2019/07/08 17:19:15
Subject: Spider-Man: Far From Home (Beware - there will probably be spoilers in here!)
Sorry if I am being annoying with this to anyone. Mysterio is now my favorite MCU villian.
Not annoying at all - he's my favorite current villain in the MCU, and has been an overall favorite for years!
While I want to believe that 'Beck' is alive still, and manipulating things behind the scenes (it'd be cool if he was the mastermind behind the MCU version of the Sinister Six instead of the currently non0existent Doc Ock!), I think we're going to be left with Mysterio Inc. has the driving force behind this villain moving forward.
Which is a shame, because Mysterio was a great villain and JG's portrayal was fantastic...
2019/07/08 17:54:15
Subject: Spider-Man: Far From Home (Beware - there will probably be spoilers in here!)
If they decided to play the long game, they could really drag out the deceptions. The next movie could have Mysterio Inc pulling the strings on a hologram "pupper" Mysterio, only to get defeated, but then the movie after that has Beck back for reals and he was pulling the strings anonymously the whole time.
The heroes could be like "OMG, how is Beck alive, he faked his death!" But them realize he did die and it's Beck's lackeys, which they defeat.
Next movie Mysterio comes back and the heroes of like "OMG, I thought we defeated all his lackeys!" but then it turns out to actually be Beck in the flesh
Beck is as much a concept as he is a physical being. Oh no! Now I sound like a Freeman on the Land whackjob!
But hopefully you get what I mean. Corpse or not a corpse, there’s really very little preventing Mysterio returning.
Indeed, I can even see SHIELD using exactly the same trick to clear Spidey’s name. Have Beck show up now and again, Elvis style.
As for EDITH? Parker didn’t necessarily de-authorise himself by authorising Beck? I think. Only seen it the once, and wasn’t closely following the dialogue. Hell, Tony could’ve built in failsafes to ensure Spidey could always access EDITH?
Still blown away by Peter choosing his new suit though. I feel it worked really well by showing his similarity to Stark, whilst also reminding us he is still just a kid.
Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives? Why not join us?
Emperor's Eagles (undergoing Chapter reorganization)
Caledonian 95th (undergoing regimental reorganization)
Thousands Sons (undergoing Warband re--- wait, are any of my 40K armies playable?) 
5000pts 
6000pts 
