New GW Bundles for Christmas(Updated 11/25)

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**Kdash**

So, i posted this on a youtube vid going on about the sets, so i'm going to copy it here as it shares my thoughts on why we have these 40k boxes over other things and why they make sense. (Sorry if i'm repeating what others have said, not read through it all yet!)

Primaris are the main poster boys of the new setting. No matter what we were always going to get a box set of them. Necrons, Admech and Craftworld are all nice deals, each of which is building off a "starter" style box set released this year - same goes for the standard Primaris. So in a way, these additions make a lot of sense for the newer players who have got into the game off the back of these sets. We also know from the WC article that we are getting a Death Guard box, so that covers those as well.. Orks were NEVER going to get a xmas box. It is way to close to the codex release and they are pushing the new models hard. GW get a lot of backlash already from players, imagine the outcry from everyone jumping into Orks for the codex in November, only to release that if they'd waited 4-6 weeks they could have saved themselves several hundred £s. Likewise, GSC aren't going to get a box set as they got one last year (iirc) and their codex hasn't been released yet. I imagine they could possibly be getting their own box around their codex release as a mini-game, as that seems to be the current trend. I don't think Chaos would have got a box this year, simply because of Blackstone Fortress. We can see that they are getting new standard marine kits, however, we don't know when and which kits will be upgraded. Why sell a box full of old Chaos Marine models when the vast majority of Chaos players would just hold and wait for the new upgraded kits to be released? Likewise with all the traitor Guard stuff. Likewise with Chaos Daemons. We are getting new Khorne and Slaanesh models in their AoS Realm of Chaos? box set sometime soon. I think T'au got a box last year as well, so that might be another reason why they didn't get one this year. Only other factions left are Nids, Drukhari and Harlequinns (and the chapter specific Marines). Quinns could have made an interesting box, but it wouldn't have contained much, and what would honestly go into a Drukhari box set and be reasonable? The way their codex is split would leave 66% of the Drukhari players disappointed. Also it'd have meant 2 Aeldari box sets, so we'd be in the same situation as "2 Primaris box sets". Nids however, i guess were just the one that didn't make the cut between Eldar, Admech and Necrons.

The big standout for these box sets is the Imperial Fists one. This is potentially huge for Marines of all Chapters going forward, but it is also a potential spoiler. Players have been crying out for so long for upgrade kits for all the Chapters. This might be the start of the request becoming a reality. Who knows, after the Founding Chapters have kits, maybe Guard Regiment upgrade kits could be next. But, spoiler wise, my first thoughts was "wow, is this an indication that the next Primarch is going to be Dorn, and it'll be relatively early on in 2019?" If Dorn is the next Primarch, these upgrade kits will sell incredibly well and quickly. It'd be the same if the next Primarch was Corax and the upgrade kit was Raven Guard etc. The Imperial Fists set is nothing but a potential good sign for the future of army customisation.

**H.B.M.C.**

reds8n wrote:
Other plans for Vigilus I believe.

.... best comparison would be with Malign Portents from last year, apparently.

Which is great and all - I like the idea of using the 40K setting to tell interesting stories, rather than universe-altering narratives that shift everything around - but they could'a done more with these boxes than what they have.

I mean... that Eldar one is pathetic.

**ChargerIIC**

Was really hoping for an Ork box - is it normal for there to be two codex marine deals in the same year? It seems weird.

**John Prins**

Zingraff wrote:

I've highlighted the 3 bay section in the photos attached below. This section is unique to this kit, and hasn't been released previously with any of the other ruin kits.

I know you're correct, but the GW webstore isn't imaging the new sprue, and the list of contents cannot be accurate, as it's not listing the normal walls which are obviously included.

**decker_cky**

There must be a 10th bundle on the next page, right? There's only 9 on the leaked page, and the Warhammer Community article said there would be 10.

**Kanluwen**

decker_cky wrote:
There must be a 10th bundle on the next page, right? There's only 9 on the leaked page, and the Warhammer Community article said there would be 10.

The Death Guard one isn't pictured.

**Bellerophon**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
I mean... that Eldar one is pathetic.

Why? It's full of stuff that I want with the fairly standard level of discount. I'm trying to figure out how many I'm going to buy. You can't please everybody. I mean, I know that there's some non competitive stuff in there (can somebody say Wraithknight?) but there's plenty of us who will happily buy cool models regardless of how competitive they are. As more of a collector than a gamer, I don't have any Wraithknights or Vypers yet, would happily take more Guardians, Avengers and Windriders, and I'm also happy to gather those plastic seers and see just what sort of conversions and kitbashes I can achieve since I already have one of that Farseer built as per the instructions and have a somewhat warped desire to have an insane number of Farseers.

But hey, if others don't like it that just means more copies for me.

**Cataphract**

What about Wrath and Rapture???

**Lord Perversor**

Bellerophon wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
I mean... that Eldar one is pathetic.

Why? It's full of stuff that I want with the fairly standard level of discount. I'm trying to figure out how many I'm going to buy. You can't please everybody. I mean, I know that there's some non competitive stuff in there (can somebody say Wraithknight?) but there's plenty of us who will happily buy cool models regardless of how competitive they are. As more of a collector than a gamer, I don't have any Wraithknights or Vypers yet, would happily take more Guardians, Avengers and Windriders, and I'm also happy to gather those plastic seers and see just what sort of conversions and kitbashes I can achieve since I already have one of that Farseer built as per the instructions and have a somewhat warped desire to have an insane number of Farseers.

But hey, if others don't like it that just means more copies for me.

It's pathetic because it's always the similar kinda deal for the Eldars and even more annoying since bikes got removed from troop choice.

It has nothing to do with competitive it's just that Eldar Battleforces always come with 1-2 guardian squads or dire avengers with a secondary squad (bikes or Wraithguard) plus a heavy hitting unit (Wraithknight ,Wraithlords or Tanks) plus a character.

As you can notice the trend it's pretty much always the same units with sligthy variations unles we move to the heavy hitting units (or centerpiece model if you wish)

P.S: this showcase one of the Eldar issues with its aging line and lack of plastic choices.

**Bellerophon**

Lord Perversor wrote:

It's pathetic because it's always the similar kinda deal for the Eldars and even more annoying since bikes got removed from troop choice.

It has nothing to do with competitive it's just that Eldar Battleforces always come with 1-2 guardian squads or dire avengers with a secondary squad (bikes or Wraithguard) plus a heavy hitting unit (Wraithknight ,Wraithlords or Tanks) plus a character.

As you can notice the trend it's pretty much always the same units with sligthy variations unles we move to the heavy hitting units (or centerpiece model if you wish)

P.S: this showcase one of the Eldar issues with its aging line and lack of plastic choices.

I can understand where you're coming from, but the fact remains that I want everything that's in there and frankly I don't think that they're any more fixed or predictable than the sets that a lot of the other factions get. It doesn't matter what faction, you'll always get, as you put it, basic troops, secondary squad, heavy hitter and character. By that logic you could label most of these sets as pathetic.

Yes, I'd love the finecast stuff to get upgraded to plastic. But until that happens I'll happily take any discount box containing the plastic units that the Eldar do have.

**Overread**

Cataphract wrote:
What about Wrath and Rapture???

No further news beyond what the weekend showed - we've no release date so we can't quite tell if its coming this year or early next. My gut feeling is that we will see it this year, it fits with GW teasing it earlier in the year and the reveal we've had this last weekend. It wouldn't make sense for GW to hint all that without following it up.

Bundle Battleforces - Blackstone - Wrath and Rapture - that's 3 weeks worth of big release events. Possibly one, maybe two more before GW eases off for focusing on Christmas production and the holiday period.

**H.B.M.C.**

Bellerophon wrote:
Why? It's full of stuff that I want with the fairly standard level of discount. I'm trying to figure out how many I'm going to buy. You can't please everybody. I mean, I know that there's some non competitive stuff in there (can somebody say Wraithknight?) but there's plenty of us who will happily buy cool models regardless of how competitive they are. As more of a collector than a gamer, I don't have any Wraithknights or Vypers yet, would happily take more Guardians, Avengers and Windriders, and I'm also happy to gather those plastic seers and see just what sort of conversions and kitbashes I can achieve since I already have one of that Farseer built as per the instructions and have a somewhat warped desire to have an insane number of Farseers.

Making a hell of a lot of assumptions/projections in that post. Who mentioned anything about competitive gaming? Or being a collector vs a competitive gamer?

It's pathetic because it highlights the major flaw in the entire Eldar line - that so many of their units are ancient and aren't plastic. Another Eldar box just means more Guardians and Dire Avengers.

**Bellerophon**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Making a hell of a lot of assumptions/projections in that post. Who mentioned anything about competitive gaming? Or being a collector vs a competitive gamer?

It's pathetic because it highlights the major flaw in the entire Eldar line - that so many of their units are ancient and aren't plastic. Another Eldar box just means more Guardians and Dire Avengers.

Well you didn't give me much to work with, just a blanket statement that it was pathetic. I made an educated guess based on what I often see on this forum, and it turned out wrong, so apologies for that. My reasons for liking it still stand.

Like I said in my last post I'll be the first person jumping for joy if some of the finecast models get redone in plastic so long as they fit the established Craftworlds aesthetic. But they haven't been. What are GW supposed to do, stop selling the plastic kits that they do have because some people are fed up of seeing them? It's not like boxes for other factions are much more diverse. The Admech one has Skitarii in it, just like all the Admech sets. The Primaris has Intercessors, just like seemingly most of the 40k boxed games we've had in the last 18 months. If they'd done an Ork set it would have boyz. A Tyranid set would have Gaunts/Genestealers. Oldmarines would have tacticals. Half the factions are small enough that there's virtually no choice at all for what to put in a box this size. I just don't really see what makes Guardians/Dire Avengers different aside from being older kits. Older kits which while I can see the compromises they made for their technology at the time, I still think look good.

**Souleater**

I will picking up a couple of those terrain bundles up when I order BSF. Damon you, GW!

Would two of the DoK battleforces make for a good starting point for the army? Not sure about the vanilla witch to 'special units' ratio.

@Sasori. Thank you.

**Sasori**

Souleater wrote:
I will picking up a couple of those terrain bundles up when I order BSF. Damon you, GW!

Would two of the DoK battleforces make for a good starting point for the army? Not sure about the vanilla witch to 'special units' ratio.

Yeah, two boxes of DoK would be very good. At that point you really just need Morathi and more witch aelves for a complete and competitive army.

**Tyranid Horde**

That Eldar battleforce is a bit disappointing and consequently I will not be picking it up. I have 28 Guardians which I doubt I'll ever use in a single game and I already have 35 Dire Avengers. I don't need any more I reckon.

I know someone said GW bundle poorly selling units together and the range is limited but damn it's a messy box. You do make a saving yes, but they don't seem to have a target audience in mind for this force.
Most people who have played Eldar for any amount of time have the troops and that bloody farseer (I have two of those), most likely have the bikes as they were the new hotness a few years ago and if anyone played competitively in 6th/7th edition, they had at least one Wraithknight (2+ usually) and won't want any more.
They could have made this box so much better with the addition of a grav tank of some description or even a war walker, something that would give an incentive to pick up a start collecting or the wake the dead box.

**H.B.M.C.**

What will it take for GW to finally do something about the Eldar range and make them worth buying again?

And it can't be "They don't sell, so there's no reason to!", 'cause Dark Eldar weren't selling much and they redid their entire range, not leaving a single mini behind except for, I think, Drahzar (or however you spell that).

**angel of death 007**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
What will it take for GW to finally do something about the Eldar range and make them worth buying again?

And it can't be "They don't sell, so there's no reason to!", 'cause Dark Eldar weren't selling much and they redid their entire range, not leaving a single mini behind except for, I think, Drahzar (or however you spell that).

Hard to say because the models are excellent. I remember buying the boxed army set that came with a codex back in 4th ? maybe 5th edition. The aspect warriors look top notch I dont see them redoing them but they went from metal to finecrap and now there is no real solution unless they just completely redo them. The original army box came with 1 Eldar Autarch 10 Eldar Dire Avengers 6 Eldar Howling Banshees 6 Eldar Fire Dragons 8 Eldar Guardians 1 Eldar Wraithlord 1 Eldar Heavy Weapons Platform 1 Eldar Vyper Jetbike 1 Eldar Falcon Grav-Tank and the codex.

That was the box that got me into eldar, then I purchased some striking scorpions a few wave serpants and they had a box set of war walkers (3 in the set). It was a pretty good way to get started in Eldar back in the day.

**chaos0xomega**

So are all of these actually limited bundles? Tge derelict manufactorum and the two story AoS building are more or less new kits, and the Imperial Sector includes new sprues, seems unreasonable to think that they are a limited time only exclusive.

The rest of the boxes are obviously the typical limited time only products from the looks of it, but those first three kits seem like they might not be.

**angel of death 007**

chaos0xomega wrote:
So are all of these actually limited bundles? Tge derelict manufactorum and the two story AoS building are more or less new kits, and the Imperial Sector includes new sprues, seems unreasonable to think that they are a limited time only exclusive.

The rest of the boxes are obviously the typical limited time only products from the looks of it, but those first three kits seem like they might not be.

The derelict manufactorum and Azyrite townscape look to probably be more of a regular items. The big terrain boxes including the sector imperialus and battleforces will definately be limited release.

**vaklor4**

As a Khorne Bloodbound player, is the Slaves to Darkness box worth it? The Knights are fairly redundant, as are the Warriors when I already have Skullcrushers and Blood Warriors, but the Chariot, Shrine, Chimera Lord and whatever blurry image mess are in it seem to serve a unique role. Am I better off just buying the stuff individually instead of paying for the knights and warriors?

**angel of death 007**

vaklor4 wrote:
As a Khorne Bloodbound player, is the Slaves to Darkness box worth it? The Knights are fairly redundant, as are the Warriors when I already have Skullcrushers and Blood Warriors, but the Chariot, Shrine, Chimera Lord and whatever blurry image mess are in it seem to serve a unique role. Am I better off just buying the stuff individually instead of paying for the knights and warriors?

I definately feel your pain, i guess it depends on what kind of discount you can get those items for. Black friday is around the corner and one vendor I go thru typically does 30% off. But since the bundles are conviently preorder Dec 1, same as the christmas bundles last year. They are not included in black friday deals.

So in USD prices if the battleforce is $170 not sure if that is right price or no? then you can get it for 15% off thru vendors or $144.50. Or if you got a black friday place 30% off the units you need.

or if you go with everything but warriors and knights and can get 30% off boxes it would be $106 ish USD. so basically paying an extra $38 for knights and warriors you don't need. ********Keep in mind this uses a lot of guestimates as I don't know the USD price on the battleforces and takes in consideration USD prices and past black friday specials.*********

**Arachnofiend**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
What will it take for GW to finally do something about the Eldar range and make them worth buying again?

And it can't be "They don't sell, so there's no reason to!", 'cause Dark Eldar weren't selling much and they redid their entire range, not leaving a single mini behind except for, I think, Drahzar (or however you spell that).

Eldar Aspect Warriors are probably the next meme now that Squats and Sisters have both been satisfied so they'll get their due eventually with enough public pressure. It's bizarre that public pressure is necessary at all though; as much as I personally hate all things knife-eared elves are pretty much always one of the most popular factions in a franchise, right after whatever the mainline human faction is. There's no way a lack of market interest is why GW isn't pushing Eldar models.

**willb2064**

Tyranid Horde wrote:
That Eldar battleforce is a bit disappointing and consequently I will not be picking it up. I have 28 Guardians which I doubt I'll ever use in a single game and I already have 35 Dire Avengers. I don't need any more I reckon.

I know someone said GW bundle poorly selling units together and the range is limited but damn it's a messy box. You do make a saving yes, but they don't seem to have a target audience in mind for this force.

The target audience for these battleforces is the same as it is every year, parents who want to give their kid a big box to unwrap at Christmas.

**Racerguy180**

I'm only really interested in the supremacy force, it kinda has every primaris unit i need more of and if I can give my buddy the alleged upgrade sprue more the better.

If the Admech one had something new/cool I would be interested but I guess no.

I would pick up the Eldar one but it kinda blows.

**Souleater**

@Tyranid Horde - My impression with these sets has always been that they are for folks looking to start the army from scratch or who have very few models for it.

**Voss**

Arachnofiend wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
What will it take for GW to finally do something about the Eldar range and make them worth buying again?

And it can't be "They don't sell, so there's no reason to!", 'cause Dark Eldar weren't selling much and they redid their entire range, not leaving a single mini behind except for, I think, Drahzar (or however you spell that).

Eldar Aspect Warriors are probably the next meme now that Squats and Sisters have both been satisfied.

Wait. Whatnow? All these years and all GW had to do was let Forgeworld do a single one-off Necromunda model and suddenly the Squats clock is stopped forever?

Whether you (or anyone) personally like elves or not, they're a core warhammer range and aspects have been the core of the army for honestly decades. And they're functionally MIA, and have been for years. There isn't any 'meme' involved. Like many parts of the chaos range, they've been overly neglected for a long, long time. The end of that for daemons is finally in sight, but CSM and eldar still have a long way to go.

Souleater wrote:
@Tyranid Horde - My impression with these sets has always been that they are for folks looking to start the army from scratch or who have very few models for it.

Same, though in some cases they're good for army expansion as well.
A $170 box of grey plastic bits would impress no children I've ever encountered.

**tneva82**

Kdash wrote:
So, i posted this on a youtube vid going on about the sets, so i'm going to copy it here as it shares my thoughts on why we have these 40k boxes over other things and why they make sense. (Sorry if i'm repeating what others have said, not read through it all yet!)

Primaris are the main poster boys of the new setting. No matter what we were always going to get a box set of them. Necrons, Admech and Craftworld are all nice deals, each of which is building off a "starter" style box set released this year - same goes for the standard Primaris. So in a way, these additions make a lot of sense for the newer players who have got into the game off the back of these sets. We also know from the WC article that we are getting a Death Guard box, so that covers those as well.. Orks were NEVER going to get a xmas box. It is way to close to the codex release and they are pushing the new models hard. GW get a lot of backlash already from players, imagine the outcry from everyone jumping into Orks for the codex in November, only to release that if they'd waited 4-6 weeks they could have saved themselves several hundred £s. Likewise, GSC aren't going to get a box set as they got one last year (iirc) and their codex hasn't been released yet. I imagine they could possibly be getting their own box around their codex release as a mini-game, as that seems to be the current trend. I don't think Chaos would have got a box this year, simply because of Blackstone Fortress. We can see that they are getting new standard marine kits, however, we don't know when and which kits will be upgraded. Why sell a box full of old Chaos Marine models when the vast majority of Chaos players would just hold and wait for the new upgraded kits to be released? Likewise with all the traitor Guard stuff. Likewise with Chaos Daemons. We are getting new Khorne and Slaanesh models in their AoS Realm of Chaos? box set sometime soon. I think T'au got a box last year as well, so that might be another reason why they didn't get one this year. Only other factions left are Nids, Drukhari and Harlequinns (and the chapter specific Marines). Quinns could have made an interesting box, but it wouldn't have contained much, and what would honestly go into a Drukhari box set and be reasonable? The way their codex is split would leave 66% of the Drukhari players disappointed. Also it'd have meant 2 Aeldari box sets, so we'd be in the same situation as "2 Primaris box sets". Nids however, i guess were just the one that didn't make the cut between Eldar, Admech and Necrons.

The big standout for these box sets is the Imperial Fists one. This is potentially huge for Marines of all Chapters going forward, but it is also a potential spoiler. Players have been crying out for so long for upgrade kits for all the Chapters. This might be the start of the request becoming a reality. Who knows, after the Founding Chapters have kits, maybe Guard Regiment upgrade kits could be next. But, spoiler wise, my first thoughts was "wow, is this an indication that the next Primarch is going to be Dorn, and it'll be relatively early on in 2019?" If Dorn is the next Primarch, these upgrade kits will sell incredibly well and quickly. It'd be the same if the next Primarch was Corax and the upgrade kit was Raven Guard etc. The Imperial Fists set is nothing but a potential good sign for the future of army customisation.

Couple things:

a) Just becase orks got new buggies doesn't mean those would have to be in the box and indeed as the discount boxes tend to be by old already paid for moulds makes sense they would not. Orks have wide amount of plastics to choose. Some boyz, nob, gorkanaut, lootas and mega nobs for example(haven't calculated what kind of box would be equilavent so just random example) and the new kits wouldn't be bothered.
b) what makes imperial fist upgrade sprue so different to all the other upgrade sprues? Seems more of same expected upgrade sprues slowly to various chapters. Dorn? If upgrade sprue makes you think of Primarch where's the Sanquinus and Lion?-)

**H.B.M.C.**

Honestly the Imperial Fist upgrade sprue, assuming it's real, is important because it's not the main four (Ultras/BA/DA/Woofs) or even Templars. They've done joint Imperial/Crimson Fists before in some very old metal conversion packs, and of course the DW kit has a ton of different Chapter pads, but this is an Imperial Fist army. The last time GW did that... well...

Voss wrote:
Wait. Whatnow? All these years and all GW had to do was let Forgeworld do a single one-off Necromunda model and suddenly the Squats clock is stopped forever?

Well to be fair GW now makes 100% more Squat models than they did 6 months or even 6 years ago.

**Elbows**

Tyranid Horde wrote:
That Eldar battleforce is a bit disappointing and consequently I will not be picking it up. I have 28 Guardians which I doubt I'll ever use in a single game and I already have 35 Dire Avengers. I don't need any more I reckon.

I know someone said GW bundle poorly selling units together and the range is limited but damn it's a messy box. You do make a saving yes, but they don't seem to have a target audience in mind for this force.
Most people who have played Eldar for any amount of time have the troops and that bloody farseer (I have two of those), most likely have the bikes as they were the new hotness a few years ago and if anyone played competitively in 6th/7th edition, they had at least one Wraithknight (2+ usually) and won't want any more.
They could have made this box so much better with the addition of a grav tank of some description or even a war walker, something that would give an incentive to pick up a start collecting or the wake the dead box.

While I dislike the box as well...they have hit it perfectly though, in that you don't get any repeats of the Start Collecting box (outside of...the Farseer?). I agree they could have done a grav tank or something, but they've been quite good about little to no overlap on Start Collecting boxes in the past - making a Start Collecting Box + Battleforce a really nice way to start any army at less than say $200-220 when picked up at discount. That's a great deal for pretty much any of the boxed sets shown. The Eldar kits are just tired, or limited in scope. I'm actually quite surprised the support weapons have never made it into an Eldar force (even though they are quite awful in-game).