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The new chapter on Vigilus is the Brazen Claws, which is a second founding chapter. If there was a rumor that the next marquee Vigilus chapter would be Ultima founding then that's already been proven false by the art posted on facebook.

There's a distinct difference between discussing rumors and spreading false information for little reason other than pessimism.

Why it is pessimism to assume that a Primaris chapter would be in the focus?

Lemondish wrote:

Voss wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

The thing is...You can already do an all space marine chapter and pick any chapter tactic from the codex you want.

Yes, but that's not an official chapter- that's a Your Headcanon chapter. GW wants an OFFICIAL all-Primaris chapter that they can market Primaris marines with and use as a posterboy, just like they've been doing with UM for all these years.

You need to understand the direction the wind is blowing. GW is (eventually) going to give us a Primaris chapter master, both a named character variant and generic, leading Primaris captains (named and generic) who belong to companies of Primaris LT's (named and generic), sergeants (named and generic) and line infantry and vehicles. And models for every single one of them, of course. They can't market that stuff, especially the named characters, without a unique and officially created All-Primaris chapter.

They've managed to market it all so far without one.

i'm not clear why Primaris purity would be required (or even useful)

It's not whether it's required, it's that this is the expected next step given the rumours regarding Vigilus - an Ultimate founding Chapter gets to take the narrative spotlight for a bit, introducing new characters, a new chapter, and we suspect new units.

While nothing in this universe is necessary (the whole thing is based on excess after all), it is particularly interesting because we'll see more about how Ultima founding chapters organize.

Read the post I was responding to again. I've helpfully bolded and underlined the relevant bits. It isn't about whether or not a Primaris chapter would be interesting (it very well could be); the claim is Primaris can't be sold or marketed without a super special all Primaris chapter, despite all the Primaris stuff to date happening without one.

Voss wrote:

Lemondish wrote:

Voss wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

The thing is...You can already do an all space marine chapter and pick any chapter tactic from the codex you want.

Yes, but that's not an official chapter- that's a Your Headcanon chapter. GW wants an OFFICIAL all-Primaris chapter that they can market Primaris marines with and use as a posterboy, just like they've been doing with UM for all these years.

You need to understand the direction the wind is blowing. GW is (eventually) going to give us a Primaris chapter master, both a named character variant and generic, leading Primaris captains (named and generic) who belong to companies of Primaris LT's (named and generic), sergeants (named and generic) and line infantry and vehicles. And models for every single one of them, of course. They can't market that stuff, especially the named characters, without a unique and officially created All-Primaris chapter.

They've managed to market it all so far without one.

i'm not clear why Primaris purity would be required (or even useful)

It's not whether it's required, it's that this is the expected next step given the rumours regarding Vigilus - an Ultimate founding Chapter gets to take the narrative spotlight for a bit, introducing new characters, a new chapter, and we suspect new units.

While nothing in this universe is necessary (the whole thing is based on excess after all), it is particularly interesting because we'll see more about how Ultima founding chapters organize.

Read the post I was responding to again. I've helpfully bolded and underlined the relevant bits. It isn't about whether or not a Primaris chapter would be interesting (it very well could be); the claim is Primaris can't be sold or marketed without a super special all Primaris chapter, despite all the Primaris stuff to date happening without one.

I see where he's coming from. Can't you?

Lemondish wrote:


I see where he's coming from. Can't you?

No? Given that GW has been selling Primaris for over a year, the idea that a pure primaris chapter is -required- to sell Primaris is obviously wrong.

And given the state of the game, from a balance perspective it would be terrible and weak. And the CA rumours look like they still don't really have any idea how to address primaris marines from a gameplay perspective, so going whole hog on a primaris-only chapter just seems like a loss for GW. They're debatably functional in really specific roles in a mixed chapter, as a pure force, they completely lack basic tools to deal with common types of enemies.

So... sorry, absolutely can't see where he's coming from.

The Emperor's Spears have cooler heraldry than the the Ultras do. If they wanted to sell them as new posters boys that's frankly all I would need to be on board.


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Voss wrote:

Lemondish wrote:


I see where he's coming from. Can't you?

No? Given that GW has been selling Primaris for over a year, the idea that a pure primaris chapter is -required- to sell Primaris is obviously wrong.

And given the state of the game, from a balance perspective it would be terrible and weak. And the CA rumours look like they still don't really have any idea how to address primaris marines from a gameplay perspective, so going whole hog on a primaris-only chapter just seems like a loss for GW. They're debatably functional in really specific roles in a mixed chapter, as a pure force, they completely lack basic tools to deal with common types of enemies.

So... sorry, absolutely can't see where he's coming from.

TBF,GW doesn't really know how to address old marines from a gameplay perspective. Also space marines in general lack basic tools to deal with common types of enemies, not because those units don't exist but because they're god awful. Going whole hog on a primaris only chapter isn't any more risky than going whole hog on ANY space marine chapter so long as most space marine units are garbage tier.

 Crimson wrote:
Why it is pessimism to assume that a Primaris chapter would be in the focus?

Because the people who are so certain a Primaris chapter is going to come to the forefront are peddling "old marines are dead" doom and gloom.

Assuming Marines do go all-Primaris (it IS an assumption after all, justified or no) I find it difficult to imagine that happening within the next two years, maybe four-five years if they do it quickly. There are a ton of vanilla marine kits out there which would need to be phased out & replaced, which is before even thinking about the amount of marine armies people would still be playing. I would honestly be surprised if 40k did not still have at least rules support for vanilla marines 10 years from now.

To put simply, to say vanilla marines are dead is inaccurate even assuming they never get another kit.

Just make a new inceptor type unit with melee to replace vanguard vets and we might be fine.



Give them all powerswords and heavy bolt pistols, start the unit at 3, let them take up to 9. Options include searg taking the flamer/powerfist thing and 2 meltabombs.

 Eihnlazer wrote:
Just make a new inceptor type unit with melee to replace vanguard vets and we might be fine.



Give them all powerswords and heavy bolt pistols, start the unit at 3, let them take up to 9. Options include searg taking the flamer/powerfist thing and 2 meltabombs.

Then what purpose do Reivers serve?

leadership shenanigans and bullying infantry. Have you ever seen reivers charge a cultist blob or hell even orc boys? They do quite good even if they aren't getting their points back right away.


This tends to scare their opponent into overcommitting againgst them or underestimating them and loosing half their army.




The inceptor melee squad would fill the role that reivers don't, which is to fight in melee againgst heavy armored opponents.

 Arachnofiend wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Why it is pessimism to assume that a Primaris chapter would be in the focus?

Because the people who are so certain a Primaris chapter is going to come to the forefront are peddling "old marines are dead" doom and gloom.

That's not doom and gloom, it is just simple realism.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/11/24/breaking-news-from-the-vigilus-open-daygw-homepage-post-1fw-homepage-post-1/

Here we go for rumors. Primaris, not Dreadnought, Marneus Calgar.

Hahahahaaaa! Everyone saying above just got their words handed to them when gw makes the head ultramarine into a primaris! Lololololol!

Old Marines are dead

Aeri wrote:
Old Marines are dead

Old marines have a vast (actually in some cases bloated) range covering all aspects that anyone could possibily want. It is to be hoped they will now continue the recent theme of producing all the stuff for eveyone else that they negletced for decades.

Moving away from marines - for once..

Was waiting for some rumours on the new Sisters rules!

Of course, Codex: Adepta Sororitas is one of the most exciting things about Chapter Approved this year, and we’ve had a chance to get an even better look at the rules. We’ll be previewing these in depth soon, but in the meantime, here’s another awesome Stratagem to tide you over:

Ahh he we go - so thats complicated!



also:

Chapter Approved 2018 features a new character creation system for open play where you can build your very own legendary heroes. If you’re feeling creative, this year’s edition is going to be great for you.

One of the takeaways from the narrative play section was Battle Honours – a system that lets your units level up and develop new skills throughout campaigns.

Matched play fans have been scrutinising the new points from the book, and it’s clear at this point that one massive winner is the Grey Knights, who have seen sweeping points reductions across a swathe of units.

Well I didn't know normal marines could become Primaris marines after they were finished.

Edit. I wonder if calgar will have a helmet option this time?

I'm slightly annoyed for some reason. I don't normally get annoyed at this hobby, it's just plastic figures. But man, that's his third model compared to most of the others still stuck with a second edition derp model.
Also, they're sending him alone? What is it with Ultramarine Mary Sues?
Ah well. At least those Genestealer Cult bikes are awesome.

Well theres new Primaris honour guard which look smexy and could make great captains

Very cool bikers - also need them for other factions....

Isn't this thread for chapter approved rumours? Why is everyone discussing marines, Vigilus and new models?

Take that stuff to the appropriate thread please.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Isn't this thread for chapter approved rumours? Why is everyone discussing marines, Vigilus and new models?

Take that stuff to the appropriate thread please.

Already did post the CA rumours but to reset the thread

Moving away from marines - for once..

Was waiting for some rumours on the new Sisters rules!

Of course, Codex: Adepta Sororitas is one of the most exciting things about Chapter Approved this year, and we’ve had a chance to get an even better look at the rules. We’ll be previewing these in depth soon, but in the meantime, here’s another awesome Stratagem to tide you over:

Ahh he we go - so thats complicated!



also:

Chapter Approved 2018 features a new character creation system for open play where you can build your very own legendary heroes. If you’re feeling creative, this year’s edition is going to be great for you.

One of the takeaways from the narrative play section was Battle Honours – a system that lets your units level up and develop new skills throughout campaigns.

Matched play fans have been scrutinising the new points from the book, and it’s clear at this point that one massive winner is the Grey Knights, who have seen sweeping points reductions across a swathe of units.

Well, hopefully Grey Knights players will be happy. Otherwise they haven't really announced anything that is all that interesting to me. Hopefully they show us the new model that is supposed to be coming out with it.

AdMech and Necrons need some love too. T_T

Suzuteo wrote:
AdMech and Necrons need some love too. T_T

Necrons got a new model this edition - many haven't.

Chapter Approved supposedly will have some love for them both

Most factions got a new model or confirmed to be getting a new model this edition.

So calgar is a primaris and gains +1 W, +1 T (gravis armor), and the ability to buff primaris marines now as well?


Looks like he keeps his same gauntlets of ultramar. If they don't spike his points cost too much he might be useable.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Well, hopefully Grey Knights players will be happy. Otherwise they haven't really announced anything that is all that interesting to me. Hopefully they show us the new model that is supposed to be coming out with it.

There's an unholy trinity to Grey Knights complaints: unit cost, special weapons and psychic powers / Strategems. This addresses one of them.

Expect the complaints to continue until we hear more about the other two.

 Eihnlazer wrote:
So calgar is a primaris and gains +1 W, +1 T (gravis armor), and the ability to buff primaris marines now as well?

Looks like he keeps his same gauntlets of ultramar. If they don't spike his points cost too much he might be useable.

Nothing to to with Chapter Approved there is aspecific thread for the Vigilus models etc

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/767194.page

Has there been any information on Corsairs HQ's? Even just one? Really don't want my corsair battlion giving 0 command points just because we dont have an HQ. Plus I feel they would be really cool conversion projects.