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 Emicrania wrote:
Isn't The Painboy on bike a legend?

Yes, but I'm also running Da Red Gobbo every other game. He is an amazing objective camper
The competitive variant would probably to run grotznik after him, as you'll probably have deff skullz for the SSAG anyways.
Fun fact, since Thrakka is a MONSTER now, he doesn't prevent Grotznik from going on ramage

Also ATM, without seeing anything else with strats and relics, I can immagine tinkering a chonky united with Morks/gorkanaut + deff dread with a shooting base of mek gunz/FG/Lootas.

5++/6+++ on vehicles does sound quite tempting. He can even provide that (and the re-rolls) to a stompa - not that it would help any
Too bad his aura is melee only. I understand why they did it, but having it apply to all attacks could have single-handedly pulled goff back into the competitive choices.

He doesn't need any KFF so he can simply DS midfield T2 in cover and works as force multiplier. I don't think slingshot him is the right move. Like people using G-man as a killing machine, that is a trap. He's a reactive unit that is there mostly to attract firepower and distract the enemy.

Gulliman is untargetable though. He is more like Mortarion, you have to get him to connect, otherwise you lose your investment.

I have some expectations on the stratagems to allow us to enanche our survivability

Doubtful. Redundancy instead of durability is kind of our army theme. I would love to see a charge out of vehicle stratagem though.

and ofc that they will faq him in order to advance and charge. I don't think he will be able to sit in veichles.

Agree.

Also I hope the new FW codex are gonna be announced in the end of march so we might get something interesting with chinork and/or Meka Dredd

Chinork maybe, I wouldn't hold my breath on the meka dread though, outside of massive point drops. Its main weakness right now is that it is limited to the weapons on the model, which were quite awesome when it was released in 5th but nothing to write home about when compared to a buggy or naut.

I am not expecting GW to faq Ghaz to be able to advance and charge. If it happens I will be very surprised.

 Jidmah wrote:

 Emicrania wrote:
Isn't The Painboy on bike a legend?

Yes, but I'm also running Da Red Gobbo every other game. He is an amazing objective camper
The competitive variant would probably to run grotznik after him, as you'll probably have deff skullz for the SSAG anyways.
Fun fact, since Thrakka is a MONSTER now, he doesn't prevent Grotznik from going on ramage

Also ATM, without seeing anything else with strats and relics, I can immagine tinkering a chonky united with Morks/gorkanaut + deff dread with a shooting base of mek gunz/FG/Lootas.

5++/6+++ on vehicles does sound quite tempting. He can even provide that (and the re-rolls) to a stompa - not that it would help any
Too bad his aura is melee only. I understand why they did it, but having it apply to all attacks could have single-handedly pulled goff back into the competitive choices.

He doesn't need any KFF so he can simply DS midfield T2 in cover and works as force multiplier. I don't think slingshot him is the right move. Like people using G-man as a killing machine, that is a trap. He's a reactive unit that is there mostly to attract firepower and distract the enemy.

Gulliman is untargetable though. He is more like Mortarion, you have to get him to connect, otherwise you lose your investment.

I have some expectations on the stratagems to allow us to enanche our survivability

Doubtful. Redundancy instead of durability is kind of our army theme. I would love to see a charge out of vehicle stratagem though.

and ofc that they will faq him in order to advance and charge. I don't think he will be able to sit in veichles.

Agree.

Also I hope the new FW codex are gonna be announced in the end of march so we might get something interesting with chinork and/or Meka Dredd

Chinork maybe, I wouldn't hold my breath on the meka dread though, outside of massive point drops. Its main weakness right now is that it is limited to the weapons on the model, which were quite awesome when it was released in 5th but nothing to write home about when compared to a buggy or naut.

Tbh I want statagems that affect specific units more, like a Tankbusta barrage (from DoW2) where that unit can shoot rokkits out of line of sight, one that lets kommandos sneak d6 closer when they arrive from deep strike like with GSC. Stuff like that, hell even one for lootas and burnas that let them fire max shots for a shooting phase. There is a lot of stratagems we have that we just pass over for most units, and we dont really have many for our vehicles, 1 is speed freak locked (exhaust clouds, of which why arent our planes speed freaks, they were in the past im sure), 1 is tied to units that fly, then we have ramming speed which is primarily used when you teleport in a Deffdread/Naut/Bonebreaka and you dont use it much past that entry point. We could even get given our own version of Transhuman, imagine that on Meganobs, oooh boi thats hawt. It doesnt have to be game breaking but just gives us extra utility to our existing units.


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But knowing GW they will do a GSC on us and give us pretty crappy new strats from the PA. Like that poop heavy stubber one, give a unit with big shootas -1 AP, yaaaaaaaay. Guess thats fine on Deffkoptas, but I would prefer something more than that. If we get even the quality of IH or Marine in general strats ill be impressed and thoroughly happy. Thats all I ask for. I dont want broken and I dont want trash. I want useful ones that give utility and options.

Hell give us some strats that affect Grots/Kans/Mek Gunz. Imagine something like an Overload Power strat for Mek Gunz that gives a reroll to wound. Or Kans that want to show they are big and stompy and get +1 to hit in combat. Those arent game destroying.


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Or imagine a Runtherd one that bullies the lil Grots that gives the Klan rules to Grots keyword units within 6". Park him behind some Mek Gunz or Kans and all of sudden you get a boost to those units.

If there's a strat to give big shootas AP-1 then watch it only affect a model and not a unit. Hey you can basically upgrade a battlewagon to get Morks roar, that's an extra relic for 1CP!

PiñaColada wrote:
If there's a strat to give big shootas AP-1 then watch it only affect a model and not a unit. Hey you can basically upgrade a battlewagon to get Morks roar, that's an extra relic for 1CP!

*starts rocking in the corner of the room crying* please no... please...

Dread it. Run from it. Mediocrity still arrives

(In all seriousness though, I'm actually really hyped and quite hopeful we'll get some good stuff here)

PiñaColada wrote:
Dread it. Run from it. Mediocrity still arrives

(In all seriousness though, I'm actually really hyped and quite hopeful we'll get some good stuff here)

me too! looking at the Guard/Scion/Tau strats they got in PA, ill be happy if we got stuff like that, if its more the GSC ones... well youll see a grown man cry

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I've just read like 3 pages of possible tactica ideas and strategies you guys are cooking up, meanwhile me and PinaColada are sitting here with smiles on our faces because Ghaz can be taken in our Evil Sunz Speed Freeks lists

Ghaz doesn't look to be super competitive, but I'm not surprised and to be honest I don't care. I've played with sub-optimal units all edition, no point changing that now!

Edit - if you want to footslog him, I'd say a Medi-Squig Goff Painboy is mandatory. Might not be all that bad though, the Painboy should be relatively easy to hide behind Ghazzy's IMMENSE CHONK.

Im not sure he’ll be hideable. Painboy has too many spindly bits.

If people really wanna keep it alive, I think it’s grot shields.

It won’t be worth it though. Massive investment and then people will realize you can hurt ghaz in more than shooting and start to overwhelm the healing anyway.

People have a hard on on reddit for this strategy. I don’t think it’ll be good.

So can I just ignore this release and play the old Ghazghkull Thraka

Were you playing him before? I can't think of many folks who were running Goff detachments, but if I were your opponent I'd be fine with you running Old Ghaz. Not like he's even marginally competitive, and being forced to field a Goff detachment to even play him will weaken your overall list.

PiñaColada wrote:
Dread it. Run from it. Mediocrity still arrives

(In all seriousness though, I'm actually really hyped and quite hopeful we'll get some good stuff here)

100% will. I think the custom clan stuff that's expected will shake up lists, especially if *any* include +1 charge out of deep strike, because then you could pair the ES bonus people actually care about with something else. ES might die from the competitive meta.

I'm confident too we are going to get a few good new stratagems, even if it's basic gak like "Here, have a warlord trait".

 Jidmah wrote:

and ofc that they will faq him in order to advance and charge. I don't think he will be able to sit in veichles.

Agree.

Unfortunately, comments on Facebook suggest otherwise....

Facebook dude wrote: Is the fact he can't be affected by his run and charge aura intentional?
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GW wrote:Author
Warhammer 40,000 We'd imagine so. He's starting of at a hefty move 7, so he's keeping. up with the boyz.

Bad times.

I really just hope they put up a kustom clan preview soon so I have something to look forward to.

For sure the real meat and potatoes of the book is going to be kustom clans and/or strats.

It would actually be kind of ironic if their first preview next weekend ends up being Ghaz and Yiffboi, which everyone has already seen.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

GW wrote:Author
Warhammer 40,000 We'd imagine so. He's starting of at a hefty move 7, so he's keeping. up with the boyz.

Bad times.

*sigh* stick a fork in him.

He's schizophrenic junk without something more. A unit that is horribly overcosted and underpowered except when ran in a deeply sup-optimal culture...that is supposed to have Makari with him at all times, but the only real way to run him is in the tellyporta, which Makari can't use due to keywords (and would be horribly expensive to use anyway). Even in the tellyporta, his chance of making a charge is only about 55%. And he has no way at all to get around chaff - made much worse by his terrible mobility and his base size, a toxic combination. I mean you can just literally block this guy from being able to do anything at all by feeding a few cultists/grots/guardsmen/anything into him.

Yeah, he turns goff skarboyz into khrone berserker level combat monsters...but zerkers are junk in 8th, because the issue with combat is getting there. Orks becoming World Eaters is not going to make them better. World Eaters are an example of everything that is /fail about 8th edition combat.

There is some merit in the point that we don't have the rest of the book so we don't know if there is more. But from what we know...it's very hard to see how you do anything useful with this guy.

Do custom forces allow locked characters if theyre successors to that force?

i.e. can an ultrasmurf wannabe still bring Gman?

If so, possible "Goff" can still be made pretty good.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Do custom forces allow locked characters if theyre successors to that force?

i.e. can an ultrasmurf wannabe still bring Gman?

If so, possible "Goff" can still be made pretty good.

Successors won't be a thing here I think. Like, Eldar don't have "Biel Tan" or "Saim Haim" successors. You can build "Biel-tan" like CW, but they don't get their specific strats or keywords.

And afaik, Shrike and his ilk have to be taken by Ravenguard, not a successor.

Nope. But even if they did...nobody but marines have successor mechanics, and that specifically ties in with their fluff. I see little reason that Orks are going to get successor kultures instead of just custom ones like all the other PA books have provided.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

GW wrote:Author
Warhammer 40,000 We'd imagine so. He's starting of at a hefty move 7, so he's keeping. up with the boyz.

Bad times.

Yeah, I screenshotted their commentary.

 TedNugent wrote:
Uh oh.

Spoiler:

Well hopefully GW realises that Ghaz not being affected by his own aura relegates him to one style of play (which incidentally keeps him off the board for most of the game) and is thoroughly unfun by the time the PA6 errata comes around

PiñaColada wrote:
Well hopefully GW realises that Ghaz not being affected by his own aura relegates him to one style of play (which incidentally keeps him off the board for most of the game) and is thoroughly unfun by the time the PA6 errata comes around

They'll probably realize that as soon as they realize that Stompas are overcosted

To be fair, the 40k FB states that it isn't part of the rules team, so take their "I believe so" with a grain of salt.

I doubt I'd ever run Ghaz in a Goff detachment. You're losing out on very little to just slap him into another detachment (exploding 6s in CC), because all his Buffs still apply to him (except Advance/Charge, which is multi-Kultur anyway).

As for how I'd run him? I'd play him alongside a Gork, Mork, some Dreadz, a Bonebreaker, etc. Just a bunch of stuff that is weak to the same stuff he is. Also include some Buggies to get into the opponent's face. His role would be to act as a damage sponge for my other stuff, being incredibly durable but also too dangerous to ignore. M

I mean, assuming you have enough detachments the putting him with 3 mek guns in a spearhead seems like a no-brainer to me.. Not like you have to worry about the grots getting a non-optimised kultur

That's fair and certainly viable if you absolutely, positively MUST have those exploding 6s and/or Makari.

The facebook comment isnt encouraging, but its also them interpreting the rules as they are currently written, not that it wont change with the FAQ. And as mentioned they are not a part of the rules team so they wont be making rulings about if a rule will change in the FAQ when the model hasnt even been released yet

As expected GW doesn't seem to want Ghaz to go fasta.
If he did he'd be in close combat on turn 1 with a potential 25" move right into close combat on the first turn.
I haven't kept up with the power creep for the last 6 or 7 months so who knows.
I'm more disappointed in the model than the rules. Far too round not Orky enough way too AoS and that Klaw really sucks.

I may set my War Boss aside for Ghaz as I basically play Goffs anyway, won't have to change my play-style much. Goff grots used to screen Goff Stormboys, seems like a plan. I just have to figure out how to put those grots up front.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/03/15/sunday-preview-beasts-vs-other-beasts/

Previews is up both PA6 and the boxset

So it looks like we arent getting build your own Klans, but new ones entirely including a Grot Klan. Along that we are getting rules to kustomize vehicles and then new stratagems.

PiñaColada wrote:
I mean, assuming you have enough detachments the putting him with 3 mek guns in a spearhead seems like a no-brainer to me.. Not like you have to worry about the grots getting a non-optimised kultur

I agree with this style.

Ghaz
Painboy

3x of something useful (Mek Guns, if you can justify 2 other elites in your list that are goffs...)

But the thing that I'm wracking my brain around is the fact the painboy moves 2" SLOWER than Ghaz. and it needs to basically be in base to base contact to try to hide from sniper fire, and 3" if you wanna heal. I could easily see a situation where the painboy rolls a 1 to advance and Ghaz rolls a 6, and we need that CP reroll to boost up the Medisquig roll.

 deffrekka wrote:
So it looks like we arent getting build your own Klans, but new ones entirely including a Grot Klan. Along that we are getting rules to kustomize vehicles and then new stratagems.

Wait, where are you reading grot clan? Also the kustom jobs on vehicles link to that darn mekshop so I'm real skeptical about that

A few minor klans I can think off from the top of my head is the White Spiders, Top Knots, Gold Toofs and the Big Choppaz

Of course they can make entirely new ones but these are the old ones some from RT like the White Spiders


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PiñaColada wrote:

 deffrekka wrote:
So it looks like we arent getting build your own Klans, but new ones entirely including a Grot Klan. Along that we are getting rules to kustomize vehicles and then new stratagems.

Wait, where are you reading grot clan? Also the kustom jobs on vehicles link to that darn mekshop so I'm real skeptical about that

Watch the Video in the link from WHC, they give a quick run down as to whats in the book


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And yeah me too, they even have a picture of the Mek Shop... when they discuss it