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So, GW decided that I can't take those sweet new models with my Death Guard for some reason. Which means I have to use Black Legion or maybe generic CSM to use them.

Which brings me to my question:

How do you run troop CSM? I know Cultists are the meta but I want to use actual CSM in my army. Small 5 man squads with 2 special weapons?

 Causalis wrote:
So, GW decided that I can't take those sweet new models with my Death Guard for some reason. Which means I have to use Black Legion or maybe generic CSM to use them.

Which brings me to my question:

How do you run troop CSM? I know Cultists are the meta but I want to use actual CSM in my army. Small 5 man squads with 2 special weapons?

That or the Cheaper heavy weaponry like autocannons.
Beyond that 5 man squads still cost you without equipment allready 65 pts. So cultists still have them beat.

5 man squads with Plasma or some heavy when they're sitting on objectives / in cover. Missile launcher gives you the ability for Flak stratagem, which is nice.

 Causalis wrote:
So, GW decided that I can't take those sweet new models with my Death Guard for some reason. Which means I have to use Black Legion or maybe generic CSM to use them.

Which brings me to my question:

How do you run troop CSM? I know Cultists are the meta but I want to use actual CSM in my army. Small 5 man squads with 2 special weapons?

The only way I feel they work is with plasma, combi plasma on a 5 man unit. I run them alpha legion so they're a little more survivable and they have enough punch to deal out a little damage.

Beta bolter makes them a little more useful for holding back field objectives.

Okay, min sized squads it is.

I also bought some Putrid Blightlords from AoS to convert into Nurgle Chosen. I'll run them with Plasma guns and maybe some Power Claws. Should I go for 10 guys to have ablative wounds for the special weapons? Or just stick with 5?

I run a single 20 man team in my black legion. Make them mark of slaanesh and give them 5+ feel no pain, on top of 1 cp to reroll all failed hits if not near abby, and warptime if i want them to move faster, and vets of the long war plus endless canophy for a double hit, they can get work done while looking fluffy on the table. Not a popular setup, but i find that 2 squads of 40 cultists and 20 csm with abby and a sorcerer and you can pretty much cover the board, not worry about losing infantry to moral (between the strat and abbys fearless bubble) and put out some damage to anything that gets within 24".

On a completely different note, something i have not seen brought up yet....

The Lord Of Skulls is a demon that can be in the same detachment as a master of possession.....

A supreme command deatchment of

Master of possession
Sorcerer
Warpsmith

Lord of skulls

Is looking incredibly nasty to me if i am not missing anything.

Yup. A lot of synergies. And its quite fluffy too. Because surely the Lord of skulls is the biggest daemon Engine we have. Its not as OP as a Castellan in terms of shooting, but its far more fluffy than one. It probably makes sense to fit in other Daemon engines in the list as well though, if possible. Because otherwise, you are using a lot of points worth of HQ just to buff one Lord of Skulls.

Especially warpsmith. Having a warpsmith just screams going daemon engine as a theme.

If you’re going to run a block of 20 Possessed with Herald, you could use a MoN herald. And cast Virulent. And use VotLW. And possibly do 3-4 damage per hit.

So I'm gonna buy some Contemptors with Butcher Cannons. However, I'll have to mash the decimator butchers onto Contemptor arms, which means I'll have to buy some of those as well and magnetise them.

What is the 2nd best weapon option for Chaos Contemptors?

And alternatively, does anyone have a better solution than what I'm thinking?

Is Abby becoming a Lord of War? Cuz...that would be great...not for over-powered-ness, but just cuz I'd love to put him in a formation w/ Mortarion, Magnus and my Kytan...

 Elric Greywolf wrote:
So I'm gonna buy some Contemptors with Butcher Cannons. However, I'll have to mash the decimator butchers onto Contemptor arms, which means I'll have to buy some of those as well and magnetise them.

What is the 2nd best weapon option for Chaos Contemptors?

And alternatively, does anyone have a better solution than what I'm thinking?

Just use the Contemptor Autocannon arms? They're basically the same weapon.

 Elric Greywolf wrote:
So I'm gonna buy some Contemptors with Butcher Cannons. However, I'll have to mash the decimator butchers onto Contemptor arms, which means I'll have to buy some of those as well and magnetise them.

What is the 2nd best weapon option for Chaos Contemptors?

And alternatively, does anyone have a better solution than what I'm thinking?

You could always add a blade to the contemptor autocannon to give it a chaos feel. Looking in my bitz box there's some decent ones from the bloodcrusher kit.

Which rule denies my greater possessed to embark on chaos transports?

I don't think there is one? Load up a Rhino with 6 of them and go nuts.

Hmm, it seems that zerker boxes on tracks must make room for a greater possessed each

Eldenfirefly wrote:
Yup. A lot of synergies. And its quite fluffy too. Because surely the Lord of skulls is the biggest daemon Engine we have. Its not as OP as a Castellan in terms of shooting, but its far more fluffy than one. It probably makes sense to fit in other Daemon engines in the list as well though, if possible. Because otherwise, you are using a lot of points worth of HQ just to buff one Lord of Skulls.

Especially warpsmith. Having a warpsmith just screams going daemon engine as a theme.

Another approach to the same-Legion army - which could bring in a Daemons detachment and a DG, TS, or RaH detachment - could be a Possessed unit. Turn one charges are easily doable if they’re Slaaneshi. Or Noise Marines. Or Berzerkers in a rhino.

Xirax wrote:
Hmm, it seems that zerker boxes on tracks must make room for a greater possessed each

Not sure why you'd want a Greater Possessed with Berzerkers. Their buff works on Daemons, and Berzerkers aren't. Now, if you are running Maulerfiends alongside your Zerker boxes, or maybe some Possessed with them (in which case why not just take more Zerkers), maybe they'd be useful.

Possessed might actually have a small niche in Emperor's Children armies, where no Berzerkers can be taken. Slaanesh Possessed have access to a lot of good buffs including Delightful Agonies, Greater Possessed, Masters of Possession, allied Heralds/Infernal Enrapturesses, and any of the existing CSM characters (Lords, Dark Apostles, etc.). Of course, EC are hardly competitive right now, and I'd still rather have Noise Marines in any case.

My bad.. somehow I wanted to forget it only affected daemons.. but a meat wagon of brutality does sound too intriguing.. (several in a LR or rhino)

 ZergSmasher wrote:

Xirax wrote:
Hmm, it seems that zerker boxes on tracks must make room for a greater possessed each

Not sure why you'd want a Greater Possessed with Berzerkers. Their buff works on Daemons, and Berzerkers aren't. Now, if you are running Maulerfiends alongside your Zerker boxes, or maybe some Possessed with them (in which case why not just take more Zerkers), maybe they'd be useful.

Possessed might actually have a small niche in Emperor's Children armies, where no Berzerkers can be taken. Slaanesh Possessed have access to a lot of good buffs including Delightful Agonies, Greater Possessed, Masters of Possession, allied Heralds/Infernal Enrapturesses, and any of the existing CSM characters (Lords, Dark Apostles, etc.). Of course, EC are hardly competitive right now, and I'd still rather have Noise Marines in any case.

You can take zerkers as elites though no?

 ZergSmasher wrote:

Xirax wrote:
Hmm, it seems that zerker boxes on tracks must make room for a greater possessed each

Not sure why you'd want a Greater Possessed with Berzerkers. Their buff works on Daemons, and Berzerkers aren't. Now, if you are running Maulerfiends alongside your Zerker boxes, or maybe some Possessed with them (in which case why not just take more Zerkers), maybe they'd be useful.

Possessed might actually have a small niche in Emperor's Children armies, where no Berzerkers can be taken. Slaanesh Possessed have access to a lot of good buffs including Delightful Agonies, Greater Possessed, Masters of Possession, allied Heralds/Infernal Enrapturesses, and any of the existing CSM characters (Lords, Dark Apostles, etc.). Of course, EC are hardly competitive right now, and I'd still rather have Noise Marines in any case.

You don't need the Greater Possessed to actually do any buffing with the Berserker Marines. They're seeming like decent attackers on their own as a somewhat cheap supplement to throw into a Rhino with other stuff.

What was their price again?

Berserkers work well in a termite. That leaves room for two 5 man squads plus a greater posessed and apostle. Take a second like me and just switch the DA for an exalted champion. Makes for one terrifying away team lol. I will probably run maulers/defilers along side them as well. Those greater posessed are blenders in their own right.

Greater possessed are 70p a pop. In the Daemonkin mini-codex only autocannon, plasmagun, plasma pistol, chainaxe and force stave increase base cost of the new models. Same points as before.

MoP is 90
Oblits 115
Venomcrawler 130

Btw,
Do you think Greater possessed would go nicely with a big unit of bloodletters? Tag along the new MoP and cast the infernal power.

What do we make out of this? I think this is great for the 4+ Demon Engines!


Link: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/03/13/chaos-space-marines-focus-the-lord-discordant/

My immediate thought is decimators.. But looking at the cost, may have to stick to maulerfiends..

Xirax wrote:
Greater possessed are 70p a pop. In the Daemonkin mini-codex only autocannon, plasmagun, plasma pistol, chainaxe and force stave increase base cost of the new models. Same points as before.

MoP is 90
Oblits 115
Venomcrawler 130

Btw,
Do you think Greater possessed would go nicely with a big unit of bloodletters? Tag along the new MoP and cast the infernal power.

They don't do anything to Letters. GP's only buff units with all of the following keywords: LEGION, MARK OF CHAOS, DAEMON

So mutilators and possessed only good buff targets for GP?

Waaaghbert wrote:



What do we make out of this? I think this is great for the 4+ Demon Engines!


Link: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/03/13/chaos-space-marines-focus-the-lord-discordant/

Came here today to see what people were saying about this guy as the model seemed pretty cool... seems to be a very quiet subject though!

Xirax wrote:
So mutilators and possessed only good buff targets for GP?

Warp talons.. oblits, venom crawler maybe . The other daemon engines are probably strong enough to not really need it.

I don't know defilers hitting on 3+ and maulers seem very nice.
To bad dakka versions didn't get anything out of it.

Not Online!!! wrote:
I don't know defilers hitting on 3+ and maulers seem very nice.
To bad dakka versions didn't get anything out of it.

Am I reading this wrong? The +1 to hit rolls counts for shooting as well, doesn't it?