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Let's talk about defilers...

How's everyone using them?

I'm thinking of equipping them with scourges and just run up (warptime) and crump.

In my list I'm likely to include 3 maulerfiends as well.
   
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak





Dakka, havoc and reaper for a cheap dakka Plattform.

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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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I've found great success with a havoc/Twin las set up. It's still relatively cheap at 166, and provides basically a little something for everything (battle cannons for mid-range, havocs for chaff, las for armor), and all at 48" meaning you can stay in the back field all game, not having to move if you start right.

   
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 vaklor4 wrote:
I've found great success with a havoc/Twin las set up. It's still relatively cheap at 166, and provides basically a little something for everything (battle cannons for mid-range, havocs for chaff, las for armor), and all at 48" meaning you can stay in the back field all game, not having to move if you start right.



If you swim in cp, which you can, these dakka defilers make for quite decent at aswell as backfield sheriffs.

Btw am I the only one that would've prefered reaper autocannons instead of the chaincannon on havocs?

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A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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I think that'd be like asking for twin lascannons as well as lascannons for Havocs It's a bit redundant. Chaincannons are at least unique.
   
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 vaklor4 wrote:
I think that'd be like asking for twin lascannons as well as lascannons for Havocs It's a bit redundant. Chaincannons are at least unique.


Reaper autocannon is also unique, would have given a dakka option aswell.
The rotor cannon just doesn't hit the heavy weapon Design style for Chaos, atleast for me.
But i recently got told that i am old. Soooooo. Grain of salt?

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A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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The future is now, old man!
   
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 vaklor4 wrote:
The future is now, old man!

Get off my lawn, or i get the belt youngster, and believe me, i 'll admister some parenting lad!

On a serious note, GW can also go feth themselves with the only 1 chaincannon in the box.
   
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I've ranted for a good hour about it IRL. It's complete BS.
   
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British Columbia

I got a bunch of Red Dog Minis rotor barrels for Heavy Bolter converting.

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 Chewie wrote:
Let's talk about defilers...

How's everyone using them?

I'm thinking of equipping them with scourges and just run up (warptime) and crump.

In my list I'm likely to include 3 maulerfiends as well.

Daemonkin rushdown. With a Slaaneshi Daemon Character - Epitome or DP are great - or a Gnarlmaw, Soulforged WS allows them to advance, Warptime advance, pop smoke if it’s Slaanesh or shoot if it’s a Gnarlmaw, and then get stomping

Three maulerfiends sound like a fine addition to the band, advance rolls of 4+ give them a reasonable chance of a 24” T1 charge

   
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I ran 2 the other day. Same thing happened, t1 one got nuked. But then the other one nuked the nuker (defiler with twin laz and battle cannon vs 2 vindicators. 2nd vindicator got 4 shots, 4 hits, 3 wounds, defiler failed all 3 saves, rolled a 6, a 3, and a 4 for dmg.... boom baby).

Yeah they are terrific. And deadly. People have a good reason to fear them.
   
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Not Online!!! wrote:
 vaklor4 wrote:
I've found great success with a havoc/Twin las set up. It's still relatively cheap at 166, and provides basically a little something for everything (battle cannons for mid-range, havocs for chaff, las for armor), and all at 48" meaning you can stay in the back field all game, not having to move if you start right.



If you swim in cp, which you can, these dakka defilers make for quite decent at aswell as backfield sheriffs.

Btw am I the only one that would've prefered reaper autocannons instead of the chaincannon on havocs?


I don’t like the chain cannon havocs. The range is a real issue. I like the chain in CSM squads though.
   
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 Eldarain wrote:
I got a bunch of Red Dog Minis rotor barrels for Heavy Bolter converting.


I was already after a few Ravenwing upgrade sprues, so just gonna use the Assault Cannon barrels. Ok, they'd not got the holey bean tins on the end but I think it should still work.

Take a look at what I've been painting and modelling: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/725222.page 
   
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I modeled one from heavy bolter and new obliterator's shoulder gun's barrel which is the same as with real rotary cannon. Just gave the oblit another barrel. Just a quick tip.
   
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I have cut the barrels from autocannons and glued those onto them. Looks really good. Once painted you cannot tell that its 3d printed.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Chaos-Chaincannon-Conversion-Barrels-x2/113721227226?_trkparms=aid%3D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131003132420%26meid%3D8bdbb83dfcaa4746b9c37e16bb9bcd3c%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D12%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D293194031691%26itm%3D113721227226%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851
   
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Got a photo? (I think we can afford to indulge a brief threadjack into hobbycraft, availability of RCC is a logistic factor when forming Heretac/Havoc strategy )

   
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 lindsay40k wrote:

Got a photo? (I think we can afford to indulge a brief threadjack into hobbycraft, availability of RCC is a logistic factor when forming Heretac/Havoc strategy )


Literally just got 2 of these in the post. Was aiming to put them on the heavy bolters. Would love a pic as well if you're willing.


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From what I've seen of them so far, really good quality. Looks just like the RCC. Better than the pics on Ebay.

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British Columbia

craggy wrote:
 Eldarain wrote:
I got a bunch of Red Dog Minis rotor barrels for Heavy Bolter converting.


I was already after a few Ravenwing upgrade sprues, so just gonna use the Assault Cannon barrels. Ok, they'd not got the holey bean tins on the end but I think it should still work.

They are quite a bit bigger as they are meant for Vehicles. Here's my proof of concept Chaincannon

 BlaxicanX wrote:
A young business man named Tom Kirby, who was a pupil of mine until he turned greedy, helped the capitalists hunt down and destroy the wargamers. He betrayed and murdered Games Workshop.


 
   
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Oh, yeah, that’s it. I’ve got loads of plastic heavy bolters from a HH binge. Was going to build RCCs out of tubes, but them’s going to take a weekend off the hobby bottleneck

   
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Send me a PM I might be able to print these at a lower price and ship from the US if you want alot of them,


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Are people still incorporating single knights in their list as a bit of a distraction?

picked up the apoc box for chaos. im interested in making a non daemon chaos list with cuttists, marines/havocs, bikes, terms and maybe a knight or two.

maybe some engins in the future

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Germany

Here are my reaper chaincannon havocs.

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The blued barrels are a nice touch
   
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 p5freak wrote:
Here are my reaper chaincannon havocs.



Nice one - cheers.

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Thanks.
   
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 xeen wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:
 vaklor4 wrote:
I've found great success with a havoc/Twin las set up. It's still relatively cheap at 166, and provides basically a little something for everything (battle cannons for mid-range, havocs for chaff, las for armor), and all at 48" meaning you can stay in the back field all game, not having to move if you start right.



If you swim in cp, which you can, these dakka defilers make for quite decent at aswell as backfield sheriffs.

Btw am I the only one that would've prefered reaper autocannons instead of the chaincannon on havocs?


I don’t like the chain cannon havocs. The range is a real issue. I like the chain in CSM squads though.

can you please explain your point? ty

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 blackmage wrote:
 xeen wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:
 vaklor4 wrote:
I've found great success with a havoc/Twin las set up. It's still relatively cheap at 166, and provides basically a little something for everything (battle cannons for mid-range, havocs for chaff, las for armor), and all at 48" meaning you can stay in the back field all game, not having to move if you start right.



If you swim in cp, which you can, these dakka defilers make for quite decent at aswell as backfield sheriffs.

Btw am I the only one that would've prefered reaper autocannons instead of the chaincannon on havocs?


I don’t like the chain cannon havocs. The range is a real issue. I like the chain in CSM squads though.

can you please explain your point? ty


I found that the 20 pts gun, especially losing it, sucks massiv, and havocs are allready not durable and forcing them to Expose themselves even more makes for a prime loss of 170 pts.

Otoh in chosen or csm you get 4 ablative wounds to remove before the expensive gun gets touched.

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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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you need to play them in the right list but yes they aren't so durable, fact is in marine squad you have ablative wounds but you cant keep them hidden then move and shot with no malus like havocs do.

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 blackmage wrote:
you need to play them in the right list but yes they aren't so durable, fact is in marine squad you have ablative wounds but you cant keep them hidden then move and shot with no malus like havocs do.


TBF, i hardly have tournament experience, and personally if you aren't playing against -1 to hit shenanigans you might aswell take the hit of moving and shooting, if it meanst that the gun is staying allive.

As for havocs. i doubt we will see much of them anymore due to the lack of ablative wounds and their W1 handicap.-

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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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RCC Havocs can hide in a Rhino T1, put them in there with a minimum size Heretac squad and they’ll survive wreckage. They can deploy out of LOS and are robust to a lot of indirect fire weapons. On the first turn, they can do 2ed Overwatch, which with lascannons can be pretty intimidating. That said, yeah, losing ablative wounds is a massive issue for them and makes the weak Heretac unit something of an alternative - especially in an Abaddon castle.

   
 
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