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Why hide them in a transport which can be shot T1 ? Put RCC havocs in a terrax pattern assault drill. Deepstrike, disembark, buff them with prescience and votlw, shoot away, repeat with endless cacophony.

Delete 2 enemy units or destroy all screens he has for how many points?

After finally finding the rules for the Drill, holy crap that thing is pretty dope



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IM buying one asap

 Dr.Duck wrote:
After finally finding the rules for the Drill, holy crap that thing is pretty dope



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IM buying one asap

What organ have you sold?

Not Online!!! wrote:
Delete 2 enemy units or destroy all screens he has for how many points?

I feel like this is a question that needed an answer... Havocs with chaincannons in a termite are good, but are they actually worth the points?

Niiru wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Delete 2 enemy units or destroy all screens he has for how many points?

I feel like this is a question that needed an answer... Havocs with chaincannons in a termite are good, but are they actually worth the points?

Prescience alone costs a sorcerer on top.
98pts on top of 170 for the chaincannon squad.
Then the Drill (No idea)
+3 cp which in the best case git generated by either RC 34..../CP or r&h, which would be 31/CP.

That's not a lump sum total and exposes an hq aswell as the havoc squad and the Drill.

The issue is, what are you using as the main push /Backup to exploit that gap in the enemy line that will show up after this dakka Festival?
Also remember Reserve points.

Niiru wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Delete 2 enemy units or destroy all screens he has for how many points?

I feel like this is a question that needed an answer... Havocs with chaincannons in a termite are good, but are they actually worth the points?

They still can't come in till turn 2 right? It just seems silly for a unit that is intended to delete screens as you can get bubbled out by chaffe and potentially not be able to shoot juicy units... I understand the havocs are intended to kill low cost units (i.e. 'chaffe') but i'm referencing scout squads, nurglings, 10 man groups of cultists etc. Shooting these things is overkill and gives a large bubble where havocs won't be able to shoot.

I guess most people who are running this competitively are running with 2x deredeos?

orkswubwub wrote:

Niiru wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Delete 2 enemy units or destroy all screens he has for how many points?

I feel like this is a question that needed an answer... Havocs with chaincannons in a termite are good, but are they actually worth the points?

They still can't come in till turn 2 right? It just seems silly for a unit that is intended to delete screens as you can get bubbled out by chaffe and potentially not be able to shoot juicy units... I understand the havocs are intended to kill low cost units (i.e. 'chaffe') but i'm referencing scout squads, nurglings, 10 man groups of cultists etc. Shooting these things is overkill and gives a large bubble where havocs won't be able to shoot.

I guess most people who are running this competitively are running with 2x deredeos?

Well marines can now show up T1
But gsc and the rest got fethed there.
F

Drills are only 130. I feel like thats kind of a steal for a deepstriking dreadnaught transport.

Drills DS and 2 CC havocs pop out to pretty much disolve anything then charge in with the drill. 6 4+ S14 -4 3D attacks is no joke.

its almost 500 points for the set up but man thats alot of damage. Can it still only come in T2? been away for a while I dont know whats changed.

Can alpha legion reliably shut down all the turn 1 alpha drops marines have now? I figure you could scout move cultists and shut down most of the drop pod stuff but I think the new dreadsuit thing shuts that down too.

I'm about to start a league and there's a Raven guard planning on running 2 of the damn things at 500pts and I have no idea how you stop that at that point level.

 Dr.Duck wrote:
Drills are only 130. I feel like thats kind of a steal for a deepstriking dreadnaught transport.

Drills DS and 2 CC havocs pop out to pretty much disolve anything then charge in with the drill. 6 4+ S14 -4 3D attacks is no joke.

its almost 500 points for the set up but man thats alot of damage. Can it still only come in T2? been away for a while I dont know whats changed.

Terrax pattern assault drill is 134 with twin SB. RCC havocs are 150 (boltgun and chainsword for the champion), sorcerer is 98, chaos lord is 74. Sorcerer and lord are optional. Base cost is 284 pts. for hitting on 3s. The full package is 456, hitting on 2s, re-rolling 1s. And yes, it can only come in T2.


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 MrMoustaffa wrote:

I'm about to start a league and there's a Raven guard planning on running 2 of the damn things at 500pts and I have no idea how you stop that at that point level.

Brimstone horrors are 90 pts. for 30 models. You can take them in an aux support detachment for -1CP.

That is still a massive investment for a combo that can't deal with everything.

As for Horrors, yep that or a cultist blob pushed forward.

Alternatively you could invest in a Mutant blob with enforcer back up.

 p5freak wrote:

Terrax pattern assault drill is 134 with twin SB. RCC havocs are 150 (boltgun and chainsword for the champion), sorcerer is 98, chaos lord is 74. Sorcerer and lord are optional. Base cost is 284 pts. for hitting on 3s. The full package is 456, hitting on 2s, re-rolling 1s. And yes, it can only come in T2.

I feel like a big unit of bikers is just a better option all round, far tougher, more shots and definately getting shots off turn 1. 9 bikes and combi bolter on champion is 209 points.

40 shots and 18 wounds rather than 32 shots and 5 wounds. They can take all the same buffs and because of bolter disciple shoot at 24" too.

 small_gods wrote:

I feel like a big unit of bikers is just a better option all round, far tougher, more shots and definately getting shots off turn 1. 9 bikes and combi bolter on champion is 209 points.

40 shots and 18 wounds rather than 32 shots and 5 wounds. They can take all the same buffs and because of bolter disciple shoot at 24" too.

What ?? How can 40 shots with S4 AP0 D1 do 18 wounds, and 32 shots with S5 AP-1 D1 only do 5 wounds ??

18 wounds is what the bikers have.
5 is what the havocs have.

Invictus and pods are gonna be a problem. Alpha legion won't stop them due to their silly scout deployment invalidating fwd ops. We need an update a real one this time.

And the assault drill is just ok I've seen it played with chain reapers. Worse now I suspect with drop pod assault back in the game. I'd prefer a rhino.. from what we have available that is.

dominuschao wrote:
Invictus and pods are gonna be a problem. Alpha legion won't stop them due to their silly scout deployment invalidating fwd ops. We need an update a real one this time.

And the assault drill is just ok I've seen it played with chain reapers. Worse now I suspect with drop pod assault back in the game. I'd prefer a rhino.. from what we have available that is.

That's what I thought. I knew the forward deployment trick wouldn't work. So other than taking a ton of cultists or something and just gumming them up I feel like your only strategy is "don't go second, and if you do pray they can't get everything important"

Which isn't exactly doable at 500pts. Only idea I've got is to cheese the gak out of them and hide all my models in building so he can't get to them. And even thats not exactly a guarantee depending on table.

We should probably keep an eye on the Forgeworld FAQs, if the various alt Loyalist drop pods get DPA then Dreadclaws and Kharybdis might get it as well

I appreciate they're bitey assault boats and cost a lot more than disable metal boxes, but worth bearing in mind if we don't pass under this radar

I'd test one if fw was generous enough to give us t1 ds back. In addition to dmc..

Invictus and pods though represent a huge problem, worse than they first seem. Concealed positions with redeployment strat is a bit too good on those walkers. And without our own counter deployment option from similar rules. Add pods which can deliver null zone and our army is placed into much more defensive position.

I guess there's always nurglings. I hate being forcd into choices I don't want though.

Maybe I'll dust off arkos again..

dominuschao wrote:
I'd test one if fw was generous enough to give us t1 ds back. In addition to dmc..

Invictus and pods though represent a huge problem, worse than they first seem. Concealed positions with redeployment strat is a bit too good on those walkers. And without our own counter deployment option from similar rules. Add pods which can deliver null zone and our army is placed into much more defensive position.

I guess there's always nurglings. I hate being forcd into choices I don't want though.

Maybe I'll dust off arkos again..

Gw.
Writes the rule for fw since 8th

Worth bearing in mind that, as Assault boats, our drop pods can deploy at the start and fly to the enemy

Kharybdis full of shock troops is a serious contender for Warptime and an endurance spell and/or prayer

This is quite a buy-in, but you can build the army with these units in mind. If you’re not doing pure Khorne, Hereticus is so good, it’s not so much a question of ‘this costs 100-odd points to add to my army’ as ‘which unit is the one I’m going to try to charge with in the first turn’. If you’re going to use a bunch of punchy Daemon Engines and Cultist screens, DA is a poundshop Abaddon

...I might just give all of this a try tomorrow

So I’m thinking of getting some more fun stuff for my army. I have seen so many list and gone through datasheets and gone through my army as well. What I’ve come to as a conclusion is that I need something that shoots either high strength or many shots.

Was thinking of a Contemptor Dreadnought for either a butcher cannon or long range c-beam, possibly soulburner and following my more melee oriented army.

A decimator Dreadnought as it is a Daemon and will be getting buffs from my Daemon detachment I always take.

Or a Scorpius hiding and double shooting maybe getting rerolls from a Lord. But then I feel like I need more shooting things that benefit from the Lord.

What are you guys/gals thinking about for shooting units? What do you use?

Decimator is a bit unlucky priced.

Anything that carries butcher cannons is the way to go. Contemptor, leviathan, decimator, deredeo. A quad LC contemptor isnt bad either.

Are levis too expensive? they are by far my favorite chasis looks wise

I managed to procure a DV model of Kranon the Relentless, and I don't want to actually run him as Kranon. I was thinking of running the model either as a Chaos Lord or a Sorcerer, but I'm not sure which would be better.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
I managed to procure a DV model of Kranon the Relentless, and I don't want to actually run him as Kranon. I was thinking of running the model either as a Chaos Lord or a Sorcerer, but I'm not sure which would be better.

Are you wanting to conserve your OOP model as is, or is a weapon swap an option? Plasma pistols are in a weird place. Much rather take a combi-weapon or the free bolt gun/pistol. Combi-bolter’s good on either unit you’re looking at. Not a fan of combi-plasma on a Hero - it wants to be overcharged, and the bearer wants to be fairly disposable. Combi-melta and Flamer want a fast moving carrier.

Foot Chaos Lords and Sorcerers both have beneficial roles in a gunline. If you’ve got a bunch of slow, shorty units, either are good. Sorcerer’s better if you’ve got a few big units to buff, Lord’s buff being an aura makes him useful in MSU.

If you want to keep the model as is and use it as a hero, best role’s probably riding in a Berzerker party van. That way, the short range loadout won’t be wasted. (Exalted Champion is actually a pretty good match, as the mini itself or a tag team partner - the Power Sword becomes a better, cheaper lightning claw.)

So basic, a contemptor, Levi or deredro then and take butcher cannon.
Now over to list building then.

Tazberry wrote:
So basic, a contemptor, Levi or deredro then and take butcher cannon.
Now over to list building then.

Simply put hades ac or Butcher ac are amazing.
The only difference is that the Butcher is not stuck on a bad platform.

p5freak wrote:Here are my reaper chaincannon havocs.

Pretty cool. What legion/warband will they be linked to?


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 lindsay40k wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
I managed to procure a DV model of Kranon the Relentless, and I don't want to actually run him as Kranon. I was thinking of running the model either as a Chaos Lord or a Sorcerer, but I'm not sure which would be better.

Are you wanting to conserve your OOP model as is, or is a weapon swap an option? Plasma pistols are in a weird place. Much rather take a combi-weapon or the free bolt gun/pistol. Combi-bolter’s good on either unit you’re looking at. Not a fan of combi-plasma on a Hero - it wants to be overcharged, and the bearer wants to be fairly disposable. Combi-melta and Flamer want a fast moving carrier.

Foot Chaos Lords and Sorcerers both have beneficial roles in a gunline. If you’ve got a bunch of slow, shorty units, either are good. Sorcerer’s better if you’ve got a few big units to buff, Lord’s buff being an aura makes him useful in MSU.

If you want to keep the model as is and use it as a hero, best role’s probably riding in a Berzerker party van. That way, the short range loadout won’t be wasted. (Exalted Champion is actually a pretty good match, as the mini itself or a tag team partner - the Power Sword becomes a better, cheaper lightning claw.)

Well the model is already primed, but I could do it again easily if I wanted to do some conversions. Putting a combi-bolter in lieu of the plasma pistol is definitely an option. A funny thing about the Sorcerer is that just the other night, I saw this picture again and noticed that there is a Sorcerer in it that's very much modeled on the Kranon design:
https://1d4chan.org/images/d/d5/Black_crusade_by_yogh_art-d5bqzea.jpg

It inspired me to that that I could maybe in fact put him into a TS army as a Sorcerer or ES. Sorcerer would work best with the TS as I'm going to have a Hellforged Dreadnought, another ES, and maybe a Helbrute. That being said, my other CSM armies will rely heavily on infantry, so a Lord might be better for those. As to tag teaming, would an Exalted Champion of Khorne, with the WE tag, be a good partner to Kharn?