mrtomski wrote:

This sounds like it has legs.. so 10 is 190 points and you get 31 attacks with rerolls to wound. So the idea would be drop them in, charge everything and try and wrap one guy/model to keep them alive for another turn. Which should be relatively easy to do since you dont need to worry about overwatch.

 Rydria wrote:

mrtomski wrote:

This sounds like it has legs.. so 10 is 190 points and you get 31 attacks with rerolls to wound. So the idea would be drop them in, charge everything and try and wrap one guy/model to keep them alive for another turn. Which should be relatively easy to do since you dont need to worry about overwatch.

You just slaughter them, since every model you kill gives you an extra attack, so you keep attacking until you get really unlucky and fail your 2+ reroll to hit/wound or they all die.

 p5freak wrote:

 Rydria wrote:

mrtomski wrote:

This sounds like it has legs.. so 10 is 190 points and you get 31 attacks with rerolls to wound. So the idea would be drop them in, charge everything and try and wrap one guy/model to keep them alive for another turn. Which should be relatively easy to do since you dont need to worry about overwatch.

You just slaughter them, since every model you kill gives you an extra attack, so you keep attacking until you get really unlucky and fail your 2+ reroll to hit/wound or they all die.

190 pts. +3CP (plus sorcerer, plus daemon prince/lord) to kill 2x10 guardmen, for 80 pts.

 p5freak wrote:

 Rydria wrote:

mrtomski wrote:

This sounds like it has legs.. so 10 is 190 points and you get 31 attacks with rerolls to wound. So the idea would be drop them in, charge everything and try and wrap one guy/model to keep them alive for another turn. Which should be relatively easy to do since you dont need to worry about overwatch.

You just slaughter them, since every model you kill gives you an extra attack, so you keep attacking until you get really unlucky and fail your 2+ reroll to hit/wound or they all die.

190 pts. +3CP (plus sorcerer, plus daemon prince/lord) to kill 2x10 guardmen, for 80 pts.

macluvin wrote:
So 11 ppm csm and 12ppm chosen... its the best power armor outside berserkers and noise boys have been in quite some time. I picked up chaos space marines to play with power armor csm... how are y’all using the chaos space marine squad kit?

 small_gods wrote:

 p5freak wrote:

 Rydria wrote:

mrtomski wrote:

This sounds like it has legs.. so 10 is 190 points and you get 31 attacks with rerolls to wound. So the idea would be drop them in, charge everything and try and wrap one guy/model to keep them alive for another turn. Which should be relatively easy to do since you dont need to worry about overwatch.

You just slaughter them, since every model you kill gives you an extra attack, so you keep attacking until you get really unlucky and fail your 2+ reroll to hit/wound or they all die.

190 pts. +3CP (plus sorcerer, plus daemon prince/lord) to kill 2x10 guardmen, for 80 pts.

Yeah there's always turn 3 if you're still chewing on guardsmen!


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macluvin wrote:
So 11 ppm csm and 12ppm chosen... its the best power armor outside berserkers and noise boys have been in quite some time. I picked up chaos space marines to play with power armor csm... how are y’all using the chaos space marine squad kit?

I was just thinking that I might proxy some combi botler chosen with my csm. For 14 points that seems like a solid unit in a gunline list!

 small_gods wrote:
Yeah there's always turn 3 if you're still chewing on guardsmen!

Yoyoyo wrote:

 small_gods wrote:
Yeah there's always turn 3 if you're still chewing on guardsmen!

Do you expect that gunline players are not going to protect their big pieces?

This is a tactical problem. Warp Talons can multi-charge without getting shredded by OW, they have fly, they have charge bonuses, they can fight twice and consolidate into shooting units. Guard players want you to get stuck on their screens and dump a bunch of power weapon attacks into 4pt models. It’s a complete waste of potential when you decide to follow their gameplan.

macluvin wrote:

 small_gods wrote:

 p5freak wrote:

 Rydria wrote:

mrtomski wrote:

This sounds like it has legs.. so 10 is 190 points and you get 31 attacks with rerolls to wound. So the idea would be drop them in, charge everything and try and wrap one guy/model to keep them alive for another turn. Which should be relatively easy to do since you dont need to worry about overwatch.

You just slaughter them, since every model you kill gives you an extra attack, so you keep attacking until you get really unlucky and fail your 2+ reroll to hit/wound or they all die.

190 pts. +3CP (plus sorcerer, plus daemon prince/lord) to kill 2x10 guardmen, for 80 pts.

Yeah there's always turn 3 if you're still chewing on guardsmen!


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macluvin wrote:
So 11 ppm csm and 12ppm chosen... its the best power armor outside berserkers and noise boys have been in quite some time. I picked up chaos space marines to play with power armor csm... how are y’all using the chaos space marine squad kit?

I was just thinking that I might proxy some combi botler chosen with my csm. For 14 points that seems like a solid unit in a gunline list!

Dirt put cheap 20 Bolter shots... I like it! I am currently in the process of turning bolters into combibolters with a file and glue.

macluvin wrote:
So 11 ppm csm and 12ppm chosen... its the best power armor outside berserkers and noise boys have been in quite some time. I picked up chaos space marines to play with power armor csm... how are y’all using the chaos space marine squad kit?

Yoyoyo wrote:
Oh yeah maybe I meant to respond to the other poster.

I see the capabilities of WT as what you’re buying more than their CC attacks. You will still supporting units to remove screens, but shutting down VFC overwatch and locking up more expensive units is harder to put a price tag on. That’s a much better use than mulching Guardsmen.

Qyleterys wrote:
So I’m gonna start a CSM army (even though I already have a space marine army) with the Christmas Battleforce set and I was wondering what the best build option for Terminators and Terminator Lords was?

 small_gods wrote:

Yoyoyo wrote:
Oh yeah maybe I meant to respond to the other poster.

I see the capabilities of WT as what you’re buying more than their CC attacks. You will still supporting units to remove screens, but shutting down VFC overwatch and locking up more expensive units is harder to put a price tag on. That’s a much better use than mulching Guardsmen.

I have only got to use WT against tau once but that is very fun. It's like an auto win button!

Not Online!!! wrote:

Qyleterys wrote:
So I’m gonna start a CSM army (even though I already have a space marine army) with the Christmas Battleforce set and I was wondering what the best build option for Terminators and Terminator Lords was?

Termites, either chainaxe+ cb. Or combiplas full squad.

Termite lord depends on your Legion/trait.

Niiru wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

Qyleterys wrote:
So I’m gonna start a CSM army (even though I already have a space marine army) with the Christmas Battleforce set and I was wondering what the best build option for Terminators and Terminator Lords was?

Termites, either chainaxe+ cb. Or combiplas full squad.

Termite lord depends on your Legion/trait.

Am I the only one that gets triggered when someone calls a Termi a 'Termite'? I mean... it's a longer abbreviation for no reason, and I've seen so many posts of "I'm going to take some termites, how would you field them".

Probably wouldn't bother me, except that a Termite is an actual unit all on its own. And I only ever started seeing termite being used -after- the termite model was created, it never used to be used. Back in my day.

Get off my lawn.

saint_red wrote:
Warp Talons are best with Night Lords and it isn't even close. We Have Come For You and Vox Scream are incredibly good stratagems and you have Raptor Strike for the 3D6 charge as well. Emperor's Children might be marginally better in combat but they have far less utility.

 small_gods wrote:

saint_red wrote:
Warp Talons are best with Night Lords and it isn't even close. We Have Come For You and Vox Scream are incredibly good stratagems and you have Raptor Strike for the 3D6 charge as well. Emperor's Children might be marginally better in combat but they have far less utility.

My thoughts exactly, plus with points drops I've been testing an Alpha Legion Brigade and a Night lords outrider for buckets of CP, including 6 oblits and 10 warptalons!

7 inch charge on 3d6 also allows you to more often than not (adverage 12.5 inch charge) getall the way to juicy targets!

 lindsay40k wrote:

 small_gods wrote:

saint_red wrote:
Warp Talons are best with Night Lords and it isn't even close. We Have Come For You and Vox Scream are incredibly good stratagems and you have Raptor Strike for the 3D6 charge as well. Emperor's Children might be marginally better in combat but they have far less utility.

My thoughts exactly, plus with points drops I've been testing an Alpha Legion Brigade and a Night lords outrider for buckets of CP, including 6 oblits and 10 warptalons!

7 inch charge on 3d6 also allows you to more often than not (adverage 12.5 inch charge) getall the way to juicy targets!

Sounds decent! More power to anyone who makes a Brigade work. (Do you make it a specialist detachment?)

How about NL WTs in Daemonkin lists?

I can see Khorne benefitting from charge rerolls, and maybe Crimson Crown.

Nurgle will dig the various damage buffs, from Loci and spells.

Slaanesh can get extra hits from Locus of Grace, plus Locus of Swiftness means a Defiler or such will find it easier to join the charge.

Not sure about Tzeentch. Changeling aura can mitigate their squishiness, but it’s so slow, it’s not really going to happen. Boon of Chage and Gaze of Fate will be handy. Disc and Chariot heralds can keep up and get them to S5, which I guess will help when they’re countering Aggressor hell or trying to sandpaper like a Knight.

macluvin wrote:
I used to joke that if they just gave us Horus heresy books for our codex/army rules I would be happy... and now we got 11 ppm tactical squads, all the forge world HH models (bar the HH terminators) and these specialist detachments almost seem suspiciously like the special Horus heresy Rites of War... if they made chosen like HH veteran squads and gave us the darn heresy terminator armor, I would be so happy. Especially since loyalists really didn’t need them what with their storm shields... still, this is probably as good as it is going to get until loyalists get another new shiny toy that does something stupid like reroll the entire armies hits for a turn or one shots a titan... or they accidentally buff a Xenos army to taudar levels again.

 grouchoben wrote:
Nightlords do it better - not killing, but disabling and disrupting. We have come for you & Vox scream are two great abilities for talons, and they have 3d6+2" charges themselves. They tie in CC much better and can shut down auras (chapter masters, synapse, invuln bubbles, you name it). They can also, if they survive a turn, disengage 12" over their opponent into their backlines and charge again at a juicy target.

mrtomski wrote:

 p5freak wrote:

 Rydria wrote:

mrtomski wrote:

This sounds like it has legs.. so 10 is 190 points and you get 31 attacks with rerolls to wound. So the idea would be drop them in, charge everything and try and wrap one guy/model to keep them alive for another turn. Which should be relatively easy to do since you dont need to worry about overwatch.

You just slaughter them, since every model you kill gives you an extra attack, so you keep attacking until you get really unlucky and fail your 2+ reroll to hit/wound or they all die.

190 pts. +3CP (plus sorcerer, plus daemon prince/lord) to kill 2x10 guardmen, for 80 pts.

190 points plus 3cp to prevent shooting for all the non vehicle units you are touching for a turn, and prevent any nasty overwatch. (Assuming night lord)

That seems pretty strong to me, imagine doing this on a tau gun line.

 Red Corsair wrote:
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Why not both?

Just take an air wing of hellblades for vox scream, it's easier to pull off/harder for them to shut down especially with the mobility. I actually think Emperors children have better warp talons and jump lords.

*snip*

While it's fun to imagine boning those fish folk, kroot are criminal at 4ppm and with their pregame 7" scout your probably never touching anything worth while, and even if you somehow pile in and do, all their heavy lifting comes on flying platforms

saint_red wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
*snip*

Why not both?

Just take an air wing of hellblades for vox scream, it's easier to pull off/harder for them to shut down especially with the mobility. I actually think Emperors children have better warp talons and jump lords.

*snip*

While it's fun to imagine boning those fish folk, kroot are criminal at 4ppm and with their pregame 7" scout your probably never touching anything worth while, and even if you somehow pile in and do, all their heavy lifting comes on flying platforms

You are missing a lot of the picture here. We Have Come For You means units with FLY cannot fall back. That is the whole point. It lets your otherwise extremely fragile Warp Talons grab any units without needing to tri-point and be completely safe from shooting in your opponent's turn. Additionally, NLs have access to a +1 to hit strat (Prey on the Weak) if they have greater leadership than the unit they are fighting. Because we are marines we have high LD and the NL legion trait effectively means that you win ties. The only armies that will have higher leadership than you will be Necrons and Orks with Mob Rule.

Let's recap. Night Lords bring the following to the table:

3D6 charge

Strat to turn off auras

Almost always available +1 to hit

Trap non-vehicles in combat

Fall back and charge

Legion trait that's kinda useful

Emperor's Children bring:

Turn one charge dice into a 6

Combat drugs - good but expensive and maybe better used elsewhere

Legion trait that's not useful

I can't really see how you can present the case that EC have better jump infantry. Their charge strat is actually lower odds to get you into combat than 3D6 is too.

weaver9 wrote:
Something I've been playing around with.

What if instead of being sneaky, we got khorney (and little metal)

Spoiler:

Batallion - Iron Warriors
+Discordant (Daemonsmith)
+Discordant (technovenous mechadentrites)
+Cultists x3

Battalion
+Sorcerer/Master of Possession (use chaos familiar to give him warp time)
+Warpsmith
+Cultists x3

Superheavy
+Khorne Lord of Skulls x3
(Hades gatling, ichor)

This nets you 16cp.


Optional uses:
Spend 1 for Soulforged pack on the Lord of Skulls to get an advance and charge stratagem.

Extra relic for your warlord of your choice (Fleshmetal Exoskeleton would let the discordant regen 2 wounds per round.)

Mandatory uses:
- Daemonforge (use on your LoS going after your primary target)
- Tank Hunters (reroll wounds vs a specific vehicle)
- Dour Duty (worsen ap coming at one of your big boys by 1)
- Unholy Vigor (keep your boy in the 2nd wound brack sweet spot)


Notes
Daemonsmith could go to the warpsmith if you wanted to keep him safe, but your footprint for the aura would be much smaller, and likely only impact 2 LOS turn 1, and 1 thereafter. But if your opponent is shooting at your disco lord... they may have bigger problems.

What I Like About It
Everything is good at Shooting
Everything has Long Range
Everything has High Strength
Everything is good at CC
Everything is tough as nails
Have some sneaky mortal wounds
No single KLOS is more important than another, and due to how they degrade they are always dangerous
Lots of CP, with good ways to use it
Challenges your opponent in ITC. If they somehow kill more than you, then they are probably shooting your cultists. Makes secondaries outside of Headhunter also a little tricky.


What I Dislike
Low psychic presence
No Fly keyword
Cultists only are good for objective camping and screening
No LoS ignoring
Difficult to maneuver on the table top
Would be nice to fit in 1 sorc + 1 MoP

And...

Spoiler:

I wish Brass Scorpions were as good as LoS. I love my scorpion model so dang much. If the points would allow me to take one of those plus the two KLoS I would.

Thoughts, comments? I am still brewing up Alpha Legion/Nightlords lists, but right now this concept is my favorite.