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If they first remove there shoulder pads and jetpacks, and 2 of the marines are driver and co driver.


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they store there armour under the seats in rhino


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armor ***

12 guardsmen can fit in a Valkryie.

I just want to clear that up, i wish they made the rules so atleast 1 of the 10 troops were driver

Also, 5 guardsmen can fit in a Centaur.

12 Guardsmen can fit in a chimera, too.

10 Primaris can fit in a land raider...... Grumble, grumble.

12 Tau probably can't fit in a Devilfish unless you stack them like corpses.


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But those 12 Tau will fit in a Manta.

Yeah


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No but honestly, wish they would change the rules to reflect scaling in a more accurate way but, its still fine how it is, im just saying. Just wish they would make the troops you transport also driver + turret etc etc

 Stormatious wrote:
Yeah


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No but honestly, wish they would change the rules to reflect scaling in a more accurate way but, its still fine how it is, im just saying. Just wish they would make the troops you transport also driver + turret etc etc

Why

Making rules reflect the scale of models is an exercise in absurdism as by its very nature this game is an abstraction. The models are not assumed to be to scale, just as Bolters due not suddenly have their bolts cease to exist in under a hundred feet, las bolts fizzle out at short distances, and literally no vehicles are made to any scale. And every race and vehicle have their own scales divergent from the rest of the models. The reasoning makes no sense.

10 marines can fit in a rhino if ...

You use a meltagun and then put them in the ashtray.

Well, five scouts and a pilot CAN actually fit in a Land Speeder Storm.

 Wyzilla wrote:
and literally no vehicles are made to any scale

Err, no. At least some vehicles are done at 28mm scale. For example, the Valkyrie is scaled just fine and even has a (OOP) upgrade kit with passengers to go in the seats. Same thing with a lot of the IG tanks, the guns aren't exactly realistic in barrel diameter but all of the pieces fit together internally.

Also when they are in their transport they do not have their legs wide maintaining their combat pose. Look at a small car, like a 2 door hatch-back. Two large people standing next to each other are wider than the car, but both those large people and one not so large person can fit in the back seat. I've seen it and experienced it for a 200+ km journey. It was cramped but comfortable enough.

And for perspective, IRL the m113 APC (the one that looks like a Rhino) can carry 11 passengers + 2 crew. While only being 4.8m long. And these are soldiers with packs and weapons.

I think the old rhino better looked like it could transport 10 space marines; the baluster and step on the side give the impression most of the marines transported were actually carried on the outside of the vehicle!

Scale to me is important, its not like gw thinks scale is not important other wise things wouldn't be reasonably close in scale as it is.


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 Wyzilla wrote:

 Stormatious wrote:
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No but honestly, wish they would change the rules to reflect scaling in a more accurate way but, its still fine how it is, im just saying. Just wish they would make the troops you transport also driver + turret etc etc

Why

Making rules reflect the scale of models is an exercise in absurdism as by its very nature this game is an abstraction. The models are not assumed to be to scale, just as Bolters due not suddenly have their bolts cease to exist in under a hundred feet, las bolts fizzle out at short distances, and literally no vehicles are made to any scale. And every race and vehicle have their own scales divergent from the rest of the models. The reasoning makes no sense.

They are close enough to scale that it should be accurate.

 Stormatious wrote:
Scale to me is important, its not like gw thinks scale is not important other wise things wouldn't be reasonably close in scale as it is.


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 Wyzilla wrote:

 Stormatious wrote:
Yeah


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No but honestly, wish they would change the rules to reflect scaling in a more accurate way but, its still fine how it is, im just saying. Just wish they would make the troops you transport also driver + turret etc etc

Why

Making rules reflect the scale of models is an exercise in absurdism as by its very nature this game is an abstraction. The models are not assumed to be to scale, just as Bolters due not suddenly have their bolts cease to exist in under a hundred feet, las bolts fizzle out at short distances, and literally no vehicles are made to any scale. And every race and vehicle have their own scales divergent from the rest of the models. The reasoning makes no sense.

They are close enough to scale that it should be accurate.

No they aren't. A marine can't even fit through the damn cupola in a rhino thanks to their pauldrons, and the whole chassis would probably need to be increased in size by about 20-33% just so they could slip in without getting trapped. Nevermind that the weapon bores are all wrong. Should bolters now be S5 or S6 because the "actual" bolt size on the models is more akin to 30mm or 40mm rounds? It's a game. The whole thing is an abstraction that can be played with rocks and a soda can. The models are completely irrelevant beyond their rough size for fair LOS calling.

yeah its a game and a modeling hobby where things look pretty close to scale, im just saying 100% accurate would be nice. Lol and that picture, thats fine and all but id never have a game with some one that didn't have the proper models, and most places where a game is more strict you would need actual models, and also painted to a standard.


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and a marine can fit, he can...he just has to move his body around a bit awkardly to get in lol

 Stormatious wrote:
yeah its a game and a modeling hobby where things look pretty close to scale, im just saying 100% accurate would be nice. Lol and that picture, thats fine and all but id never have a game with some one that didn't have the proper models, and most places where a game is more strict you would need actual models, and also painted to a standard.


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and a marine can fit, he can...he just has to move his body around a bit awkardly to get in lol

Marine gunners on tanks are stuck where they are. Their Pauldrons are way too wide to fit back through into the tank!

The models are full of this kind of thing. The vehicles have mostly always been a different scale to the infantry.

He gets in from the toooooopppp jeeeeeeeezzz


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Or the sides open up a bit so he can slide back in


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Which they do dont they?

there are seats i the rhino and the rest can stand.

Dont play Bolt Action then! The vehicles, esp the smaller ones look like toys next to the infantry!

Mostly happy with the relative size ion 40k, it could be better but it does not break my imersion.

 Techpriestsupport wrote:
there are seats i the rhino and the rest can stand.

Yes, there are seats. But a marine trying to sit in one doesn't actuality have enough headroom, or anywhere for his backpack to go, and the standing room is likewise too short for marines.

I tried converting a cutaway rhino a few years back, which was intended to have marines inside to show that it could be done, and when it got to positioning models in there it very quickly began apparent that it actually couldn't.

The only way to get 10 of them in the current rhino is to stack them in there like firewood.

Didn't someone work out that some Marines scrunch up on the sides and the rest are stacked in the middle of the passenger area? Like cans of food.

 insaniak wrote:

Yes, there are seats. But a marine trying to sit in one doesn't actuality have enough headroom, or anywhere for his backpack to go, and the standing room is likewise too short for marines.

I tried converting a cutaway rhino a few years back, which was intended to have marines inside to show that it could be done, and when it got to positioning models in there it very quickly began apparent that it actually couldn't.

The only way to get 10 of them in the current rhino is to stack them in there like firewood.

remember they would remove helmets and jetpacks mabey even shoulder pads first but i dont know where they would store them... but yeah scale is pretty close so its no big deal but yeah lol

Vehicles have never been to scale, the land raider should be twice as big as it is, the Spartan should be four times the size.

Still think it's a missed opportunity that there isn't a clown car stratagem for Harlequins.

1 CP. Use on a Starweaver before the battle (only once per battle if you like). That starweaver can now transport a full unit of 12 Harequins

After the first few posts, I thought this was going to devolve into a 40k 12 days of Christmas; missed opportunity.

20 lascannons on tripods, with two crew each, can fire from the back of a Stormlord.

On the far end of the realism scale, 50 men actually can fit in the Gorgon heavy transporter. They even used to sell sets of models to go inside it.

hobojebus wrote:
Vehicles have never been to scale, the land raider should be twice as big as it is, the Spartan should be four times the size.

No.

pm713 wrote:
Didn't someone work out that some Marines scrunch up on the sides and the rest are stacked in the middle of the passenger area? Like cans of food.

It's in one of the older Imperial Armour books. 3 Marines sitting on each side, 3 standing down the middle, sergeant up front with the driver.

I have seen ten old metal marines modelled inside the old rhino. It seems incredible, but they did fit.