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Did they REALLY need to make the pistols D2? That's kinda absurd.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
I mean he can't be used at all until the codex because he doesn't have point values.

He will next week in all likelihood.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Did they REALLY need to make the pistols D2? That's kinda absurd.

It's nice to see a character-sniping unit that's capable of killing characters for a change...

 xttz wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Did they REALLY need to make the pistols D2? That's kinda absurd.

It's nice to see a character-sniping unit that's capable of killing characters for a change...

This. Most assassins, and/or snipers, are pretty bad. It's why they're not used.

This one lacks the defense of range, so he needs to be more offensive.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Did they REALLY need to make the pistols D2? That's kinda absurd.

I'm fairly sure it is supposed to represent an uncanny ability to place every shot through an eyeball, but it is amusing to think of this guy blowing up weapons teams with a single bullet Maybe it hits the ammo supply* or something...


*40k having movie ammunition and fuel, where enough shots will blow up almost anything vaguely flammable.

 xttz wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Did they REALLY need to make the pistols D2? That's kinda absurd.

It's nice to see a character-sniping unit that's capable of killing characters for a change...

In almost one round though? Yeah low rate of fire is obnoxious for things like Vindicares, but even ignoring Characters for a moment the average number of shots will make his points back on anything that's above 10 points basically.


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 Cephalobeard wrote:

 xttz wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Did they REALLY need to make the pistols D2? That's kinda absurd.

It's nice to see a character-sniping unit that's capable of killing characters for a change...

This. Most assassins, and/or snipers, are pretty bad. It's why they're not used.

This one lacks the defense of range, so he needs to be more offensive.

There's ONE Assassin that's bad, the Vindicare, and that's mostly because of the swingy DD3 and high cost on top of that.

His 40k rules should be in the KT box, so maybe it'll have a point value as well.

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
His 40k rules should be in the KT box, so maybe it'll have a point value as well.

He just might!

Not only that but in their assembly guide booklets, a hidden treasure can be found – their Warhammer 40,000 datasheets and matched play points, meaning that you’ll be able to field these awesome new characters in larger games as well as in Kill Team!

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 xttz wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Did they REALLY need to make the pistols D2? That's kinda absurd.

It's nice to see a character-sniping unit that's capable of killing characters for a change...

In almost one round though? Yeah low rate of fire is obnoxious for things like Vindicares, but even ignoring Characters for a moment the average number of shots will make his points back on anything that's above 10 points basically.

Like most GSC units he dies to a stiff breeze. Presumably he's going to get stuck with Neophyte Hybrids most of the time, so if your opponent wants to kill him then odds are he's going to get deleted in one turn along with his squad.

It won't help that Neophytes aren't really a unit you want in Cult Ambush either.

 Arbitrator wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 xttz wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Did they REALLY need to make the pistols D2? That's kinda absurd.

It's nice to see a character-sniping unit that's capable of killing characters for a change...

In almost one round though? Yeah low rate of fire is obnoxious for things like Vindicares, but even ignoring Characters for a moment the average number of shots will make his points back on anything that's above 10 points basically.

Like most GSC units he dies to a stiff breeze. Presumably he's going to get stuck with Neophyte Hybrids most of the time, so if your opponent wants to kill him then odds are he's going to get deleted in one turn along with his squad.

It won't help that Neophytes aren't really a unit you want in Cult Ambush either.

I wouldn't say that just yet. With unquestioning loyalty these guys are going to be gross lol. Really depends on their price point but I couldn't imagine them being much more then the 50pt mark.

I am really hoping there are some sweet relic revolvers. Maybe D3 just to really get some salt flowing

 Arbitrator wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 xttz wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Did they REALLY need to make the pistols D2? That's kinda absurd.

It's nice to see a character-sniping unit that's capable of killing characters for a change...

In almost one round though? Yeah low rate of fire is obnoxious for things like Vindicares, but even ignoring Characters for a moment the average number of shots will make his points back on anything that's above 10 points basically.

Like most GSC units he dies to a stiff breeze. Presumably he's going to get stuck with Neophyte Hybrids most of the time, so if your opponent wants to kill him then odds are he's going to get deleted in one turn along with his squad.

It won't help that Neophytes aren't really a unit you want in Cult Ambush either.

Does the theoretical low durability matter when he can kill units already of his worth or more?

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 xttz wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Did they REALLY need to make the pistols D2? That's kinda absurd.

It's nice to see a character-sniping unit that's capable of killing characters for a change...

In almost one round though? Yeah low rate of fire is obnoxious for things like Vindicares, but even ignoring Characters for a moment the average number of shots will make his points back on anything that's above 10 points basically.

Like most GSC units he dies to a stiff breeze. Presumably he's going to get stuck with Neophyte Hybrids most of the time, so if your opponent wants to kill him then odds are he's going to get deleted in one turn along with his squad.

It won't help that Neophytes aren't really a unit you want in Cult Ambush either.

Does the theoretical low durability matter when he can kill units already of his worth or more?

Has to get into range first.

He won’t have a problem getting into range. His Cult Ambush is massively buffed and GSC have really good transports. A 5++ and (presumably) Unquestioning Loyalty means he can take a beating - drop in 20 Neophytes with him and the enemy has to devote a lot of fire to delete them, whilst trying to fend off the Purestrains on his flank, and the Aberrants coming up the middle

 Red Corsair wrote:
I was always a bit skeptical of the whole blip idea. It's a strange mechanic to use with an army that has 200+ models and probably 20 drops with all these characters. That's an insane amount of book keeping.

I would actually be relieved if the blip idea is bunk.

Ditto. Cult ambush is not that bad right now, it just needs some tweaking. The blip idea sounded like a pain to me. It may work in space hulk, but it sounds to me like something that will just make pregame set up take even longer than it already does.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 xttz wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Did they REALLY need to make the pistols D2? That's kinda absurd.

It's nice to see a character-sniping unit that's capable of killing characters for a change...

In almost one round though? Yeah low rate of fire is obnoxious for things like Vindicares, but even ignoring Characters for a moment the average number of shots will make his points back on anything that's above 10 points basically.

Like most GSC units he dies to a stiff breeze. Presumably he's going to get stuck with Neophyte Hybrids most of the time, so if your opponent wants to kill him then odds are he's going to get deleted in one turn along with his squad.

It won't help that Neophytes aren't really a unit you want in Cult Ambush either.

Does the theoretical low durability matter when he can kill units already of his worth or more?

Maybe, but considering we have no idea how ambush was reworked or most importantly how many points he is, I think your being a tad premature here. What if he's 80 points? What if ambush still requires coming in turn 2? You made a good point, but it's contingent on way too many assumptions. What we don't have to assume is how dope that model is, and it's awesome he has really uniquer and fun rules.


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C4790M wrote:
He won’t have a problem getting into range. His Cult Ambush is massively buffed and GSC have really good transports. A 5++ and (presumably) Unquestioning Loyalty means he can take a beating - drop in 20 Neophytes with him and the enemy has to devote a lot of fire to delete them, whilst trying to fend off the Purestrains on his flank, and the Aberrants coming up the middle

Nothing you are saying is wrong, but it also does nothing to refute his point. There is nothing wrong with a model having decent rules. These leaks are not going to dwell on limitations, they are meant to build hype. I bet he's good, but assuming he is broken at this point is such a waste of time.


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 Red Corsair wrote:
I was always a bit skeptical of the whole blip idea. It's a strange mechanic to use with an army that has 200+ models and probably 20 drops with all these characters. That's an insane amount of book keeping.

I would actually be relieved if the blip idea is bunk.

Ditto. Cult ambush is not that bad right now, it just needs some tweaking. The blip idea sounded like a pain to me. It may work in space hulk, but it sounds to me like something that will just make pregame set up take even longer than it already does.

I honestly wouln't mind different levels of ambushing costing more or less CP pregame etc. Or at least some mechanic to make it less random. The random nature was fine before the new reserve rules, but now board space is so occupied by turn 2, it gets ridiculous to lose a coin flip on top of that.

Obviously GSC are getting a lot of new things, but have there been any rumours on if they are losing anything? Obviously the current army list is very limited, but I would be gutted if they lost access to Leman Russ's and Sentinels.

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Obviously GSC are getting a lot of new things, but have there been any rumours on if they are losing anything? Obviously the current army list is very limited, but I would be gutted if they lost access to Leman Russ's and Sentinels.

The Achilles preview article specifically suggests buying a GSC Leman Russ while waiting for 'Ascension Day,' so losing access seems unlikely.

Cheers Voss, I completely missed that whilst drooling over the pretty pictures.

I am just hopeing for some Acolyte and Metamorph love. I haven't been this hyped for a codex I think ever.....

Is it wrong that I want to invest in Genestealer Cults because they are my favorite thing to imagine my Deathwatch army splattering?

...I might have my own little wars on the floor with sound effects.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
Is it wrong that I want to invest in Genestealer Cults because they are my favorite thing to imagine my Deathwatch army splattering?

...I might have my own little wars on the floor with sound effects.

Nah, I do this all the time I have a few small armies that are basically OpFors for mini scenarios lol

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Does the theoretical low durability matter when he can kill units already of his worth or more?

People are still playing 40K on how many points something can get back? I haven't played 40K in years, about to come back. I thought this has changed with the new edition. People don't play for objectives but by how something get it's points back or more?

As someone said, if he can't get in range, how is he ever going to get "his points back or more"?

Davor wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Does the theoretical low durability matter when he can kill units already of his worth or more?

People are still playing 40K on how many points something can get back? I haven't played 40K in years, about to come back. I thought this has changed with the new edition. People don't play for objectives but by how something get it's points back or more?

As someone said, if he can't get in range, how is he ever going to get "his points back or more"?

"Making his points back" is a phrase I don't see too often outside of Tourney talk.. Although I haven't played in several editions, this isn't a requirement of the missions (if I remember correctly).

So the Kellemorph has a +3 on his reserve roll? He shots 3 times, each gun fires 2 shots. That are 6 shots on BS2+ meaning an averadge 5 hits. And he can shoot most likly 5 more times, hitting 4 times.

A reasonable 9 hits with S4 AP1 D2. While not a garantee, it is surly quite the thriller. A good assassin.

 Haighus wrote:
Nah, I do this all the time I have a few small armies that are basically OpFors for mini scenarios lol

A friend of mine collects them, but now I want some of my own.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 Haighus wrote:
Nah, I do this all the time I have a few small armies that are basically OpFors for mini scenarios lol

A friend of mine collects them, but now I want some of my own.

I'd love to make three forces from.the GSC kit- loyal Imperial militia, GSC, and Chaos cultists, all from the same labourer force. Would be a real derby of a match haha

 Red Corsair wrote:

I honestly wouln't mind different levels of ambushing costing more or less CP pregame etc. Or at least some mechanic to make it less random. The random nature was fine before the new reserve rules, but now board space is so occupied by turn 2, it gets ridiculous to lose a coin flip on top of that.

That’s fair. I think the main issue is that there are really only two good ways to manipulate the CA roll right now - primus and stratagem - and they work much better when you use them together. Thus, you are only really able to get one semi-assured ambush per turn (at the low low price of 76 points each) and it’s typically pretty easy for your opponent to guess where that ambush is going (20x purestrain genestealers in reserve tends to be a bit of a giveaway). Increasing the number of different ways you can modify the roll could really help make the army more dynamic on the tabletop, even without a complete overhaul of the ambush system.

On an unrelated note, I really like the way the kellermorph’s ability synergizes with ambushing shooty neophytes. You can forgo the whole assassin role and just go for an almost assured 5/6+ result on the table, thus allowing you to put him wherever you want, shoot some screening troops and then give a nice buff to another unit of autogun/shotgun guys, who can hopefully finish the job. And if we get a way to ignore the -1 penalty for heavy weapons after ambushing, I can definitely see having some fun with a list full of ambushing mining lasers and the like.

Tried the Kellermorph yesterday (proxied him and assumed he was about the price of a Primus).

He got #5 on the ambush table. Ouch. Comes in, immediately shoots, hits Ork Boys 10 times, shoots in the shooting phase again, hits 11 times. Killing about 10 or 11 of them on his own.

He has the potential to make 24(!!!) shots. That's potentially 48 damage. Enough dakka to kill most T4 characters.

His +3 to the CA roll is also very strange. How do you roll that if he comes in with a unit? Normally you'd only make one roll and apply it to both units. But it seems only he gets the +3, so do you make a seperate roll for the unit he accompanies?

How is he getting 24 shots?

 BlaxicanX wrote:
How is he getting 24 shots?

Shoot 6 times, hitting 6 times on 2+ generating another 6 shots (and presumably hits, in the best-case scenario) on CA arrival = 12 shots in the movement phase.

Same 12 shots (converted perfectly into hits) in the shooting phase.

= 24 shots.

He would presumably also buff himself for re-roll 1s in the shooting phase, if he already kills something on CA arrival?

Actually he wouldn't. My bad.