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2019/01/09 21:56:08
Subject: Do you frown upon grey models in matches?
I enjoy games vs painted armies more, and I will never bring more than 1-2 unpainted models max, but I'll never refuse to play someone if their army is unpainted, and I'll never tell them that they should paint their army. It's more of a personal preference.
2019/01/09 21:58:19
Subject: Do you frown upon grey models in matches?
skchsan wrote: Why would you NOT want to paint your mini's? It's literally 99% of the hobby.
Why not just play a computer game if you want to play RTS without being invested in your models?
Uh, it’s not 99% of the hobby, more like 25% or less. Some of us are in it for the game. If I could afford it, I’d only buy models that were already built and painted so I simply could concentrate on playing the game - and/or displaying the models.
Painting is the part of the hobby I like the least.
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2019/01/09 21:59:12
Subject: Do you frown upon grey models in matches?
Karol wrote: Painting GK is a waste of time and money. I can imagine someone painting an army that is good, or any army that is ment for tournaments. But spending more money on GK, no thank you.
I don't get it, why is painting grey knights waste of time :S??
And money, and time is money. Am not going to invest more money in to something that has zero influence on how the army plays, just so someone else gets the option to tell me how bad they are painted.
Why not just play a computer game if you want to play RTS without being invested in your models?
Instead of upgrading my old PC, I bought the GK army with my confirmation money. My sister bought a good tabled. In hindsight I would say she made a much better decision.
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If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain.
2019/01/09 22:00:05
Subject: Do you frown upon grey models in matches?
skchsan wrote: Why would you NOT want to paint your mini's? It's literally 99% of the hobby.
Why not just play a computer game if you want to play RTS without being invested in your models?
Um painting is like 10%, and I might be generous with that.
Playing the game is about competitiveness, strategy, game play, comradeship, developing an understanding of mathematics, then maybe distant way over there after army creation is Painting.
You misunderstand - assembling and painting is 99% of the HOBBY that is 40k.
Playing a game of 40k is like having a cake and eating it too.
2019/01/09 22:02:42
Subject: Re:Do you frown upon grey models in matches?
You misunderstand - assembling and painting is 99% of the HOBBY that is 40k.
No it isn't, even if you had some huge 300 models army, you would still spend hours getting to a store and playing. while assembly can be done in a single weekend.
If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain.
2019/01/09 22:02:59
Subject: Do you frown upon grey models in matches?
skchsan wrote: Why would you NOT want to paint your mini's? It's literally 99% of the hobby.
Why not just play a computer game if you want to play RTS without being invested in your models?
Um painting is like 10%, and I might be generous with that.
Playing the game is about competitiveness, strategy, game play, comradeship, developing an understanding of mathematics, then maybe distant way over there after army creation is Painting.
You misunderstand - assembling and painting is 99% of the HOBBY that is 40k.
Playing a game of 40k is like having a cake and eating it too.
Which is what initially attracted me to the game in the first place. I really liked building models (plastic ones), but they just kinda sat around and I never really got to show them off to other people. Now I can have the fun of building plastic models, ADDED to a pretty cool game, with lots of interesting backstories and lore to read.
You misunderstand - assembling and painting is 99% of the HOBBY that is 40k.
No it isn't, even if you had some huge 300 models army, you would still spend hours getting to a store and playing. while assembly can be done in a single weekend.
I don't know how you're assembling things, but putting together a squad of 10 guardsmen takes me like 3-4 hours :( Painting them takes another 7-8 hours, but I enjoy that part a hell of a lot more.
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2019/01/09 22:05:11
Subject: Do you frown upon grey models in matches?
lol painting is 99% i mean iv been in this hobby for like 8 months now and still havnt finished painting my whole army to even attempt putting them to war yet. So in terms of time yes 99%
The game itself is mediocre at best, if you don't care about how the models look, then there are much better games out there, especially if you actually want to compete in fair and balanced way. The hobby is about bringing the 40K universe alive in an interactive visual form.
Then why are you playing a game like 40k? The rules are something you suffer through so you can enjoy the fluff/model side of it, if you don't care about the models then why not play one of the far superior games out there?
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As for the question, voted "unacceptable". I won't say I will 100% refuse a game, because I have played against unpainted models, but I'm certainly going to judge you for it and there's a decent chance I'll turn down the game entirely.
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
2019/01/09 22:09:28
Subject: Do you frown upon grey models in matches?
Kriswall wrote: Wow... I'm surprised by some of the nasty, elitist comments I'm reading. Super glad I don't play with you guys or your communities. Sounds pretty awful and unwelcoming.
My community does everything in its power to grow. Communities thrive on new blood. If that means taking on people who don't have the time or desire to paint, so be it. More players makes for generally healthier (i.e. more likely to survive) communities.
Some of these same people are the "casual" players too, who are somehow more elitist than the competitive players.
Perhaps I don't want to commit to painting a unit just yet because I didn't decide its color scheme. Perhaps I just finished putting then together and want to try them in a list again. Maybe I'm simply not a good painter and would rather not waste my time creating a regular Clarence.
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There is simply no way you can say an unpainted army is more immersion breaking than those globs of paint.
CaptainStabby wrote: If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote: BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote: Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote: ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
2019/01/09 22:11:12
Subject: Do you frown upon grey models in matches?
Man i dont care how mediocre the 40k game is, the fact is my wonderful army of fantastic looking models can go to battle, i dont care if its a rather simplistic game rules.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh those pictures are so funny
Automatically Appended Next Post: Its like the badly painted models are the Mentally handicapped people of 40k universe lol
Automatically Appended Next Post: I guess we can say the same for grey models lol
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Kriswall wrote: Wow... I'm surprised by some of the nasty, elitist comments I'm reading. Super glad I don't play with you guys or your communities. Sounds pretty awful and unwelcoming.
My community does everything in its power to grow. Communities thrive on new blood. If that means taking on people who don't have the time or desire to paint, so be it. More players makes for generally healthier (i.e. more likely to survive) communities.
I can't stand the attitude of "holding people to standards or expecting them to improve themselves is mean and elitist," in general. If you really care about getting people into the hobby then you'll gently encourage people to have some passion for it and give it an honest effort. No one gets excited about something that isn't a challenge or an accomplishment, and just patting everyone on the back for showing up is much less likely to end up with lasting relationships and communities than being a leader and an example and helping people realize their potential. No one is saying they spit at the feet of any dirty plebeian who dares to show up with grey plastic. If you want to turn new players into lasting hobbyists, then I can't think of a better way of doing it than offering to sit down and show someone the ropes, loaning them some supplies and showing them how proud they can be of what they're capable of doing with a little bit of effort. I am personally doing exactly that with two brand new players this weekend, and they're all pumped up about it and about making their models their own. I doubt that showing them apathy about their efforts, and demonstrating that whatever they do will meet with the same empty encouragement and praise regardless of those efforts, would engender the same excitement.
The kind of player who simply can't be bothered to engage in the hobby aspect of the hobby at all obviously doesn't really care about it that much and is probably going to disappear sooner rather than later, and that's no one's choice but their own. Being welcoming and accepting is good, but if everyone has a low level of engagement then you're selling them short on the experience and doing them a disservice; one which you can expect to be repaid in general lack of interest and eventual estrangement.
There is nothing elitist about encouraging people to take pride in what they're doing; it's elitist to deign to play with someone even though you're apathetic about them or their army because you don't expect them to be capable of a small bit of motivation and passion.
2019/01/09 22:16:09
Subject: Re:Do you frown upon grey models in matches?
The problem with the question is that the answer can rely heavily on context.
Someone who has owned an army for years - yeah I'd sort of expect them to have painted it or at least based it. At that stage I'd rather suspect that they are either very unsure/lacking in confidence with painting and seek ways to support and educate them - or that they are just lazy or lack inspiration to paint.
Someone who just started a new army or has very limited time - yeah sure they might well not have painted because they've not yet had time to paint stuff up.
In general it doesn't bother me. Yes painted is nicer, yes its the ideal most gamers aim for; but no I'm not going to lose sleep over an opponent with an unpainted army now and then. That said I'd always try to approach the subject from the positive rather tahn the negative angle.
I do prefer playing against a fully painted army, as it adds a bit of depth to the whole spectacle of the game but it really doesn't bother me as much as proxies bother me. That's a different story entirely.
I bring work in progress models to the table on a regular basis so for me to say I won't play against a grey army would be a bit hypocritical.
Most of my army is painted but it took ages and at times was a real effort so I totally understand if people can't/won't do it. Yep, the game looks much better with fully painted armies on a beautiful properly modeled table but that's not always available so really you either deal with it or be one of those insufferably preachy people who love to dictate how strangers should treat the things they buy with their own money.
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2019/01/09 22:21:21
Subject: Do you frown upon grey models in matches?
Crimson wrote: The game itself is mediocre at best, if you don't care about how the models look, then there are much better games out there, especially if you actually want to compete in fair and balanced way. The hobby is about bringing the 40K universe alive in an interactive visual form.
The hobby and 40K is what you want it to be about. For me, painting is a sometimes enjoyable chore, but a chore nonetheless. When it comes down to it, I’ve done enough painting that I’d have rathered that time had been spent in actual games instead*. I can definately understand others not spending that time on painting and getting down to the business of gaming (such as my main opponent, my son).
* I’ve also spent a lot of years assembling and painting pure models - mostly WW2 tanks & airplanes, so I can understand modeling for modeling’s sake. However, with the availability of prepainted models and kits, I’d rather just grab those than do-it-yourself kits - it took me 10 years to finally finish the last pure model I did - a Revell 1/48 B-18G model.
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2019/01/09 22:23:54
Subject: Do you frown upon grey models in matches?
Don’t we do this thread over again about once a month???
Stormonu wrote: For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
2019/01/09 22:24:56
Subject: Do you frown upon grey models in matches?
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
2019/01/09 22:31:14
Subject: Do you frown upon grey models in matches?
Painted armies definitely look nicer but I'd never begrudge anyone not painting their models. Not least because I struggle to get mine painted.
I know that this is apparently heresy on dakkadakka, but painting just doesn't interest me. I don't mind painting the occasional character, but painting legions of near-identical guardsmen (or other infantry) is something I find dull and tedious. It probably doesn't help that I often struggle to decide on a paint scheme, though even very simple paint schemes quickly test my patience.
Kriswall wrote: Wow... I'm surprised by some of the nasty, elitist comments I'm reading. Super glad I don't play with you guys or your communities. Sounds pretty awful and unwelcoming.
Same. I'll grant that I'm biased, since I frequently use unpainted/barely-painted miniatures, but many comments here seem unnecessarily hostile towards unpainted miniatures.
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the_scotsman wrote: Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
Argive wrote: GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
2019/01/09 22:32:16
Subject: Do you frown upon grey models in matches?
Stormatious wrote:Modeling ( painting ) goes hand in hand with every thing that is warhammer.
Marketing lies pushed by GW.
JohnnyHell wrote:Don’t we do this thread over again about once a month???
Yeah, this blossoms eternal like the “No Longer Available” threads
What are you talking about, of course it goes hand in hand.
Not when I can pay a commission to have someone build and paint my models for me (like say, Blue Table Painting).
I really wish that GW would offer prebuilt and painted versions of their models - like FFG does for X-Wing or how Dust/AT-43 did/does.
Dude that doesn't mean at all that it does not go hand in hand, your just giving the modeling aspect over to some one else, that doesn't mean ti dissapears.
Stormatious wrote:Modeling ( painting ) goes hand in hand with every thing that is warhammer.
Marketing lies pushed by GW.
JohnnyHell wrote:Don’t we do this thread over again about once a month???
Yeah, this blossoms eternal like the “No Longer Available” threads
What are you talking about, of course it goes hand in hand.
Not when I can pay a commission to have someone build and paint my models for me (like say, Blue Table Painting).
I really wish that GW would offer prebuilt and painted versions of their models - like FFG does for X-Wing or how Dust/AT-43 did/does.
Dude that doesn't mean at all that it does not go hand in hand, your just giving the modeling aspect over to some one else, that doesn't mean ti dissapears.
Both your names are similar enough I thought a poster was having a conversation with themselves.
CaptainStabby wrote: If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote: BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote: Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote: ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
2019/01/09 22:40:08
Subject: Do you frown upon grey models in matches?
Stormatious wrote:Modeling ( painting ) goes hand in hand with every thing that is warhammer.
Marketing lies pushed by GW.
JohnnyHell wrote:Don’t we do this thread over again about once a month???
Yeah, this blossoms eternal like the “No Longer Available” threads
What are you talking about, of course it goes hand in hand.
Not when I can pay a commission to have someone build and paint my models for me (like say, Blue Table Painting).
I really wish that GW would offer prebuilt and painted versions of their models - like FFG does for X-Wing or how Dust/AT-43 did/does.
Dude that doesn't mean at all that it does not go hand in hand, your just giving the modeling aspect over to some one else, that doesn't mean ti dissapears.
If my first contact with the model is with it already assembled and painted, then effectively the modeling aspect does not exist for me. Or we’d have to consider buying an action figure at Walmart “modeling” that had been handed over to someone else.
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