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Galas wrote: Well Chaos Terminators are surely one kit that could go with a refresh.
Compared to what? Regular CSM miniatures? Berzerkers? Oblits or Havocs that don't even have plastic kits?
We know plastic CSM Tacticals are coming soon. The first two sculpts are in Blackstone.
Uh we don't really know that. Genestealers got new sculpts in both 2009 and 2016 boxed games, but we still haven't seen a new kit for them...
Yes we do. It was confirmed by GW at the same event where Blackstone Fortress was first discussed that new CSM would be in BSF, as we have seen, and that a multipart kit would follow.
I just got out of the meeting. The Blackstone Fortress will have NEW CHAOS MARINES Vs Rogue traders (Think silver tower level models but 40k) and then they will be releasing them as multipart later, and the chaos release for next year involving Khorne and Slaanesh has models for both systems.
Another fellow who was at the event in a CSMFB group I'm in, same date:
Exciting times! They said there will be new CSM models in the Blackstone Fortress game, but not enough for a full squad, and that a multipart kit will follow to bring that style up to full size (10? number not clarified). Presumably next year but they wouldnt say.
There's another source I can't find off the top of my head. But all of these were before we had any confirmation from GW that new CSM were in the box - we only had this trailer to go off - and everything they were told in the seminar has panned out thus far.
How likely is it that CSM get a unique terrain piece of some sort, if they do get a larger release?
The evidence is pointing towards a release larger than just a couple of characters, and all the previous releases of any note in the last year have had a unique terrain piece, both 40k and AoS. Therefore, I think it is plausible we will see one for Chaos.
However, what I think is more interesting is the possibility we will see a more substantial Chaos-themed terrain line appear. My reasoning for this is not based on much more than a hunch, but bear with me.
We have seen Killteam starter-boxes tied to a Killzone. Each one has covered a different type of terrain, with no repeats:
Killzone: Sector Imperialis (starter box)
Killzone: Sector Mechanicus (Space Marines and Orks)
Killzone: Sector Munitorum (Astra Militarum and Tyranids)
Killzone: Deathworld Forest (Death Watch and Drukhari)
Killzone: Wall of Martyrs (Tau and Necrons)
Killzone: Ryza Outpost (Genestealer Cults and Adeptus Mechanicus)- not yet released.
There are also the Killzones included in Rogue Trader, which has entirely new factions and terrain to match.
So we have covered pretty much the entire existing range of citadel 40k terrain, but we still have 6 factions left to provide starter boxes for:
Harlequins
Asuryani
Grey Knights
Heretic Astartes
Death Guard
Thousand Sons
Notably, those are all the Chaos factions, and three factions known for opposing Chaos. I think that any parings between a Chaos and non-Chaos force from those lists would work. The thing is, there is currently almost no spare terrain that could be used to create a unique Killzone for them to fight over. The Ork Mekboy workshop would not be very fitting for any of the above races, nor would the Tau Tidewall terrain. I think one of the most likely options is to use the (now old) bastion, Skyshield landing pad, and Aegis defense line kits in some kind of stronghold Killzone. I say most likely because they use to sell a Chaos bastion, so the whole Killzone could simply be packaged with the Chaos vehicle accessories sprue to provide some factional flavour. It is possible than one pairing gets repackaged with the Sector Imperialis Killzone, to provide access to that outside of the core starter. There is also the Feculent Gnarlmaw and the Citadel woods, which perhaps could be used to create some kind of corrupted forest Killzone for the Death Guard vs X box. This would still leave one pairing out, even with some stretching. Another possible option is something along the lines of a Sector Manufactorum Killzone, which again would be stretching a little. Eitherway, nothing is particularly striking.
Is this a coincidence? Perhaps, but I can't help but feel that there is going to be some kind of Chaos terrain release that could fill out a Killzone, and have two factions attached with some extra terrain. Perhaps something like a Chaos shrine Killzone, with two factions fighting over the tainted ground. Could be tied into some kind of "stop the ritual" narrative.
From the Ryza ruins set, we have seen that Killzones do not need a huge amount of terrain to work. I think that new Chaos terrain is plausible.
ChargerIIC wrote: If algae farm paste with a little bit of your grandfather in it isn't Grimdark I don't know what is.
How likely is it that CSM get a unique terrain piece of some sort, if they do get a larger release?
The evidence is pointing towards a release larger than just a couple of characters, and all the previous releases of any note in the last year have had a unique terrain piece, both 40k and AoS. Therefore, I think it is plausible we will see one for Chaos.
However, what I think is more interesting is the possibility we will see a more substantial Chaos-themed terrain line appear. My reasoning for this is not based on much more than a hunch, but bear with me.
We have seen Killteam starter-boxes tied to a Killzone. Each one has covered a different type of terrain, with no repeats:
Killzone: Sector Imperialis (starter box)
Killzone: Sector Mechanicus (Space Marines and Orks)
Killzone: Sector Munitorum (Astra Militarum and Tyranids)
Killzone: Deathworld Forest (Death Watch and Drukhari)
Killzone: Wall of Martyrs (Tau and Necrons)
Killzone: Ryza Outpost (Genestealer Cults and Adeptus Mechanicus)- not yet released.
There are also the Killzones included in Rogue Trader, which has entirely new factions and terrain to match.
So we have covered pretty much the entire existing range of citadel 40k terrain, but we still have 6 factions left to provide starter boxes for:
Harlequins
Asuryani
Grey Knights
Heretic Astartes
Death Guard
Thousand Sons
Notably, those are all the Chaos factions, and three factions known for opposing Chaos. I think that any parings between a Chaos and non-Chaos force from those lists would work. The thing is, there is currently almost no spare terrain that could be used to create a unique Killzone for them to fight over. The Ork Mekboy workshop would not be very fitting for any of the above races, nor would the Tau Tidewall terrain. I think one of the most likely options is to use the (now old) bastion, Skyshield landing pad, and Aegis defense line kits in some kind of stronghold Killzone. I say most likely because they use to sell a Chaos bastion, so the whole Killzone could simply be packaged with the Chaos vehicle accessories sprue to provide some factional flavour. It is possible than one pairing gets repackaged with the Sector Imperialis Killzone, to provide access to that outside of the core starter. There is also the Feculent Gnarlmaw and the Citadel woods, which perhaps could be used to create some kind of corrupted forest Killzone for the Death Guard vs X box. This would still leave one pairing out, even with some stretching. Another possible option is something along the lines of a Sector Manufactorum Killzone, which again would be stretching a little. Eitherway, nothing is particularly striking.
Is this a coincidence? Perhaps, but I can't help but feel that there is going to be some kind of Chaos terrain release that could fill out a Killzone, and have two factions attached with some extra terrain. Perhaps something like a Chaos shrine Killzone, with two factions fighting over the tainted ground. Could be tied into some kind of "stop the ritual" narrative.
From the Ryza ruins set, we have seen that Killzones do not need a huge amount of terrain to work. I think that new Chaos terrain is plausible.
It doesn't block LOS at all, but I could see Thousand Sons and Harlequins getting the Eldar Webway gate packaged in for teleporting shenanigans. More generic Eldar terrain would be a potential for Craftworlds and potentially later Emperor's Children. Combine those and you can have a battlezone craftworld.
Generic Chaos I could see getting some sort of defiled shrine terrain piece, like the old Eye of Terror polystone one. Grey Knights could use the same piece for a kill team.
That leaves out Death Guard, but they can just have their Gnarlmaw tree and make it a single release or a third box for another release.
More Aeldari terrain certainly seems plausible! If it came with a larger Aeldari release to flesh out/replace finecast for one of the factions that would be awesome.
I was thinking Harlequins vs Thousand Sons would be the most classic match-up of the remaining 6. Perhaps the others could be Asuryani vs Heretic Astartes and Grey Knights vs Death Guard?
At some point, I fully expect to see Emperor's Children and World Eaters get their own faction rules, which would conveniently fit into their own battle too
ChargerIIC wrote: If algae farm paste with a little bit of your grandfather in it isn't Grimdark I don't know what is.
Haighus wrote: There is also the Feculent Gnarlmaw and the Citadel woods, which perhaps could be used to create some kind of corrupted forest Killzone for the Death Guard vs X box.
Make that a Death Guard versus Craftworlders pairing (defending a Maiden world) and GW couldn't just add the Webway Gate, but also bring back the out of production Rhino in blasted forest. You know, trees because that's the theme and a Rhino because Chaos uses them.
Would be easy to fill a Killzone box with, and use the more generic Forest and Gnarlmaw that are useful in larger numbers for the Kill Team boxes.
Nehekhara lives! Sort of!
Why is the rum always gone?
So far, only the Deathworld terrain has any sort of 'xenos' or non-imperium terrain. It'd be great to get more xenos terrain and something for chaos, especially if it's as modular and customizable as the current terrain kits out there.
The way I see it, a lot is going to happen after the Vigilus part 2 release. Between now and then I expect them to release Genestealer Cults and start hyping up Black Legion stuff.
Then we'll hit Vigilus 2 and I imagine the proverbial floodgates are going to open when it comes to Chaos stuff. Of course, I could be completely wrong and we'll have a repeat of Orktober, but it definitely feels like they're trying to hype this up for Chaos. We know the Death Guard is on Vigilus, as well as the Asuryani, so I don't know if we'll get a Killzone related to that or not. I could certainly see it.
Another thing to consider is that Grey Knights and Harlequins can both be starter sets with a commander in a single box, since the main troop box you would get for them can create their commanders. My hope is that we get more treatment like Admech and GSC got and get some brand new units, but I think that would be too much to hope for.
But yeah, long story short, we just have to be patient while GW hypes us up and through Vigilus part 2.
drbored wrote: So far, only the Deathworld terrain has any sort of 'xenos' or non-imperium terrain. It'd be great to get more xenos terrain and something for chaos, especially if it's as modular and customizable as the current terrain kits out there.
The way I see it, a lot is going to happen after the Vigilus part 2 release. Between now and then I expect them to release Genestealer Cults and start hyping up Black Legion stuff.
Then we'll hit Vigilus 2 and I imagine the proverbial floodgates are going to open when it comes to Chaos stuff. Of course, I could be completely wrong and we'll have a repeat of Orktober, but it definitely feels like they're trying to hype this up for Chaos. We know the Death Guard is on Vigilus, as well as the Asuryani, so I don't know if we'll get a Killzone related to that or not. I could certainly see it.
Another thing to consider is that Grey Knights and Harlequins can both be starter sets with a commander in a single box, since the main troop box you would get for them can create their commanders. My hope is that we get more treatment like Admech and GSC got and get some brand new units, but I think that would be too much to hope for.
But yeah, long story short, we just have to be patient while GW hypes us up and through Vigilus part 2.
There is also the Ork junkyard-themed terrain, and the Tau Tidewall stuff, so there is more xeos terrain than just the Aeldari stuff. However, they have somewhat missed the boat to release these alongside their most-suited factions, so we may have to wait awhile to see Killzones for either, if at all. The Ork debris piles and Mekboy workshop seem especially suited to becoming a Killzone.
Haighus wrote: There is also the Feculent Gnarlmaw and the Citadel woods, which perhaps could be used to create some kind of corrupted forest Killzone for the Death Guard vs X box.
Make that a Death Guard versus Craftworlders pairing (defending a Maiden world) and GW couldn't just add the Webway Gate, but also bring back the out of production Rhino in blasted forest. You know, trees because that's the theme and a Rhino because Chaos uses them.
Would be easy to fill a Killzone box with, and use the more generic Forest and Gnarlmaw that are useful in larger numbers for the Kill Team boxes.
Having really wanted to get hold of that destroyed Rhino terrain piece since around the time it went OOP, I'd be all over that!
I do find it odd that GW does not sell any kind of plastic craters set for the first time since I started gaming. I wonder why they discontinued the Quake craters? Those still appear in a lot of official photographs, and are fairly recent, but they had a really short sales run.
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ChargerIIC wrote: If algae farm paste with a little bit of your grandfather in it isn't Grimdark I don't know what is.
Haighus wrote: There is also the Feculent Gnarlmaw and the Citadel woods, which perhaps could be used to create some kind of corrupted forest Killzone for the Death Guard vs X box.
Make that a Death Guard versus Craftworlders pairing (defending a Maiden world) and GW couldn't just add the Webway Gate, but also bring back the out of production Rhino in blasted forest. You know, trees because that's the theme and a Rhino because Chaos uses them.
Would be easy to fill a Killzone box with, and use the more generic Forest and Gnarlmaw that are useful in larger numbers for the Kill Team boxes.
Having really wanted to get hold of that destroyed Rhino terrain piece since around the time it went OOP, I'd be all over that!
I do find it odd that GW does not sell any kind of plastic craters set for the first time since I started gaming. I wonder why they discontinued the Quake craters? Those still appear in a lot of official photographs, and are fairly recent, but they had a really short sales run.
Those craters are gone, huh? Completely passed me by. Maybe they weren't selling? I seem to remember them being quite expensive for what you were getting.
I liked the Rhino terrain and considered buying it on more than one occasion. Never got around to it, though, so I wouldn't mind if it made a comeback myself.
Nehekhara lives! Sort of!
Why is the rum always gone?
Zed wrote: *All statements reflect my opinion at this moment. if some sort of pretty new model gets released (or if I change my mind at random) I reserve the right to jump on any bandwagon at will.
Zed wrote: *All statements reflect my opinion at this moment. if some sort of pretty new model gets released (or if I change my mind at random) I reserve the right to jump on any bandwagon at will.
Those craters they did were great. Shame they don't sell 'em any more.
Then again, if they did sell them they'd've repackaged them as a "Deathfield Shatterscape" or some other nonsense name and they'd have really unnecessary rules.
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I dunno. I played with those craters. They were flimsy, the border edge of them was kind of crappy, and a lot of times they were warped. My local hobby store did a lot of work to make them good, mainly by trimming the border, putting a piece of cork board on them to make them flat and substantial enough to not be blown away by the fan we had to have in the corner (thanks, Florida).
I think it's more that they were just old rather than not selling. GW can discontinue terrain a lot more quietly than any other models since people don't really *need* them for their army.
drbored wrote: I dunno. I played with those craters. They were flimsy, the border edge of them was kind of crappy, and a lot of times they were warped. My local hobby store did a lot of work to make them good, mainly by trimming the border, putting a piece of cork board on them to make them flat and substantial enough to not be blown away by the fan we had to have in the corner (thanks, Florida).
I think it's more that they were just old rather than not selling. GW can discontinue terrain a lot more quietly than any other models since people don't really *need* them for their army.
It sounds like you mean the vacuum formed moonscape craters more than the quake cannon ones which were full cast plastic.
Sign me up for a chaos tick, I feel like Abaddon will be the capstone of a chaos release if it comes, but of a standard marine kit is in the mix, that'll mean far more to the community.
... so going by dates and recent batch of FW pre-orders, only thing that remains is carrion empire.
Feb
2nd gsc w1
9th gsc w2
16th carrion empire?
23rd BL anniversary (new commissar)
Mar
2nd ?
9th ... possibly start vigilus 2?
Could be one of those tick things in the background there, in the middle. Though it also looks like new Obliterators are a-coming if the big blokes on either side of Kul are of any indication.
