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 ingtaer wrote:
Eldar vypers would surely be the oldest?

The Viper definitly aged better than the Berzerkers.

Speaking of which: One thing I love about the new Chaos Marines is that you can see the MK4 armor shine through all the chaosy bitz. Same thing for the Death Guard, who sport the MK3 beneath all the corruption.

I wonder what that means for potential new Berzerkers and Noise Marines. Will we see chaosified MK2 and MK5 as well?

Space Marine Bike is now the oldest one. I think. Pretty sure it predates the Vyper, as the Vyper was a long time coming after the Eldar Jetbikes, which came out around the same time as Space Marine Bikes.

Even Chaos got new bikes. Eventually.

For Khorne Berzerkers? I want a more hodge-podge look to their armour. After all, they don't strike me as a force that takes particularly great care of their kit, being somewhat loony. Instead, I can see replacement parts being salvaged from the slain, and grabbed by whomever gets there first. And add in some bare arms, as we see on Kharne, in the style of the all-too-briefly available 2nd Ed metals. Seen here.

(one on the left)

And here



I feel it really adds to their look. Other opinions are of course available.

 Darkseid wrote:

 ingtaer wrote:
Eldar vypers would surely be the oldest?

The Viper definitly aged better than the Berzerkers.

Speaking of which: One thing I love about the new Chaos Marines is that you can see the MK4 armor shine through all the chaosy bitz. Same thing for the Death Guard, who sport the MK3 beneath all the corruption.

I wonder what that means for potential new Berzerkers and Noise Marines. Will we see chaosified MK2 and MK5 as well?

Well, if you go back to the original post in this thread, you can see there are at least two Mk V models. The one from the video appears to be Mk V, as does the Marine on the right in the image that has the Mk IV model. I hope we see more Mk IV though.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Darkseid wrote:

 ingtaer wrote:
Eldar vypers would surely be the oldest?

The Viper definitly aged better than the Berzerkers.

Speaking of which: One thing I love about the new Chaos Marines is that you can see the MK4 armor shine through all the chaosy bitz. Same thing for the Death Guard, who sport the MK3 beneath all the corruption.

I wonder what that means for potential new Berzerkers and Noise Marines. Will we see chaosified MK2 and MK5 as well?

Well, if you go back to the original post in this thread, you can see there are at least two Mk V models. The one from the video appears to be Mk V, as does the Marine on the right in the image that has the Mk IV model. I hope we see more Mk IV though.

MkV is essentially poor-quality MkIV though, so I would expect CSM to have a mix of the two. If you repair MkIV with readily available components, it results in MkV in essence. The two are fully interchageable and basically the same thing. Some Marines at the end of the Great Crusade were using MkV-style respirators with MkIV armour, to show just how compatible they are. This just became more common after gak hit the fan (presumably the "dog-nosed" resiprator is more complex than the Mantilla/Sarus pattern respirator).

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

For Khorne Berzerkers? I want a more hodge-podge look to their armour. After all, they don't strike me as a force that takes particularly great care of their kit, being somewhat loony. Instead, I can see replacement parts being salvaged from the slain, and grabbed by whomever gets there first. And add in some bare arms, as we see on Kharne, in the style of the all-too-briefly available 2nd Ed metals. Seen here.

If they did it right, I'd be all for the ragtag armor look on Berserkers. Though, the closest thing to the look these days would be the Wulfen, since they've got the black carapace and bare limbs look going. A kit that looked like a mix between Wulfen and AOS Bloodwarriors would be a hard pass for me. But a mix of Kharn and new CSM would be an instant buy. I'm trying to hold off on getting the FW Berserker upgrade heads to put on the new CSM,just in the hopes of new Berserkers when World Eaters finally get love.

BrianDavion wrote:

BlueGrassGamer wrote:
Is there a rough estimate as to when Shadowspear will be released?

there's a timer on the little preview of abaddon that indicates 26 days so I'm gonna guess Abaddon will be up for pre-order first weekend of march, so... I'd guess ahdowspear will be the week before. with a pre-order date of hmm possiably as early as this weekend if we're really lucky?

Rumour on Bolter and Chainsword from a side conversation had at the LVO is it will be out in 3 to 4 weeks it's "imminent"

https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/DaemonEngine2-Feb13-Image1hvrgxc.jpg

Possessed again

Between the Telion look-a-like, the other sniper Primaris... and the boxset being called Shadow Spear... I wonder if this will include Abaddon and play as some sort of scenario driven assassination mini-game.

 aka_mythos wrote:
Between the Telion look-a-like, the other sniper Primaris... and the boxset being called Shadow Spear... I wonder if this will include Abaddon and play as some sort of scenario driven assassination mini-game.

I'd be super-surprised if Abby actually came in the box, but I like the cut of your jib good sir. This should be something they include in the following White Dwarf issue as an additional scenario.

GaroRobe wrote:
https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/DaemonEngine2-Feb13-Image1hvrgxc.jpg

Possessed again

Awww look at those cute little toe beans.

I'm sorry, but all I see is Chaos Sandals

Because that is what it is?

PiñaColada wrote:
How old is the current Abaddon model? Fabius Bile is certainly getting up there.

2nd edition for both, not counting redoing abbadon's base connection since he used to be on a 25mm slot-style. So, what, 20-ish years?

1.) Multipart kits in this box.

2.) Possessed are a new unit, something like Gal Vorbak.

3.) Obliterators are obliterators as we now have them.

Feel free to take with plenty of salt, just what I was told by a shopkeeper.

 BrotherGecko wrote:

GaroRobe wrote:
https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/DaemonEngine2-Feb13-Image1hvrgxc.jpg

Possessed again

Awww look at those cute little toe beans.

I am the only one that sees Wulfen more than Possessed here? I mean, Wulfen are pretty much Loyalist Possessed Marines anyway

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 Galef wrote:
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Awww look at those cute little toe beans.

I am the only one that sees Wulfen more than Possessed here? I mean, Wulfen are pretty much Loyalist Possessed Marines anyway

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GaroRobe wrote:

 Galef wrote:
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Awww look at those cute little toe beans.

I am the only one that sees Wulfen more than Possessed here? I mean, Wulfen are pretty much Loyalist Possessed Marines anyway

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I was thinking of Wulfen too. Hopefully they'll look a lot better. Even in art, Wulfen look bad, so I'm hopefully, since the boxart looks pretty cool. I just don't see why the sole of their feet would need armor at all. It doesn't even look like a destroyed shoe, but rather something added after the food mutated.

 Crimson wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Havocs have a resin kit. That plastic is preferable over resin is subjective.

Cool, and we're been talking about plastic kits the entire time, so why bring up a resin kit?

I don't know, I don't understand what's your point is except just to whine about everything. Why is the old kit being resin a valid reason for an update, but the old kit being ugly not?

1) Resin is of an objectively inferior quality as compared to modern plastics.

2) Whether or not a model is "ugly" is entirely subjective.

There are any number of old models which I think stand up well in terms of visual aesthetic, regardless of their age. However, if a figure is only available in what is almost universally understood to be a material that is bad for the hobby, then there is reason to make new plastic molds for the miniature. If you're already going to invest money in making new molds, it makes sense to at least consider updating the sculpt; it's more cost efficient that way.

 B0B MaRlEy wrote:
I'm sorry, but all I see is Chaos Sandals

Techically, they're more like chaos-y stirrup pants. No doubt the Eye of Terror is a little behind the times when it comes to fashion. It seems the 80's is still where it's at...

 Norchack wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Havocs have a resin kit. That plastic is preferable over resin is subjective.

Cool, and we're been talking about plastic kits the entire time, so why bring up a resin kit?

I don't know, I don't understand what's your point is except just to whine about everything. Why is the old kit being resin a valid reason for an update, but the old kit being ugly not?

1) Resin is of an objectively inferior quality as compared to modern plastics.

That’s simply not true

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Really? In all the talk of kits in need of a re-do, no one's talking about these guys?!

They already have a kit. AoS Khorne Bloodbound Blood Warriors are pretty much Khorn Berserkers. Though I modded mine more and used em as CSM because Chaos needs love too.

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

 Norchack wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Havocs have a resin kit. That plastic is preferable over resin is subjective.

Cool, and we're been talking about plastic kits the entire time, so why bring up a resin kit?

I don't know, I don't understand what's your point is except just to whine about everything. Why is the old kit being resin a valid reason for an update, but the old kit being ugly not?

1) Resin is of an objectively inferior quality as compared to modern plastics.

That’s simply not true

That may be an overstatement on my part. I've been told that it is superior in its ability to capture detail, though I'm not convinced. I do know that it is far more difficult to work with as a hobbyist. It warps, it bubbles, and it is very difficult to use in converting figures. By what metric do you consider it to be superior to the plastics GW currently uses?

without derailing again the thread ... I believe the factor lies on sharp details for resin over plastic. Another factor is the hot water application to customize cables and other flexible belts

Resin is capable of way sharper detail, preserves texture far better, and can do undercuts. Kingdom Death happens to do a lot of minis first in resin and then in HIPS (same material GW uses), and it's really clear which is a superior cast in how they translate.

Now, that doesn't mean resin is superior in all regards (it's more fragile, more expensive, and tends towards small runs so it's harder to get (or GW suffers in QC for their volume)), and I often prefer plastic for the price, but resin is certainly a good material, and for display painting it's got huge advantages.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Resin is capable of way sharper detail, preserves texture far better, and can do undercuts. Kingdom Death happens to do a lot of minis first in resin and then in HIPS (same material GW uses), and it's really clear which is a superior cast in how they translate.

Now, that doesn't mean resin is superior in all regards (it's more fragile, more expensive, and tends towards small runs so it's harder to get (or GW suffers in QC for their volume)), and I often prefer plastic for the price, but resin is certainly a good material, and for display painting it's got huge advantages.

That's what I've always understood. Which, to my mind, translates to GW's plastics being the superior material for the hobby overall. I know I would love to see some of the models that previously available in metal but now exclusively available in resin get converted over to plastic.

For GW's volume and the scale of most of their games, yeah, I think their current model makes the most sense: plastic for nearly everything; resin only for very niche things where smaller print runs are better.

IMHO they should be printing most of their characters in resin if they're charging so much for characters to offset the mold prices, but I think they just overcharge for characters and probably have print runs that are plenty viable for a $15-ish per model character prices.

Can anyone fill me in on what the Gal Vorbak are like? I don't know 30k stats.

 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
Can anyone fill me in on what the Gal Vorbak are like? I don't know 30k stats.

You can find their stats online. Equivalent to around the same as current GW except 2+ WS; 3+ BS, add a wound or two since "damage" isn't a stat. Points are similar to 40k prices.

Rending is now mortal wounds on 6s
Rage is a charge turn buff
Deep Strike is the same as various 9" reserves effects
Stubborn is probably closest to ATSKNF

I'm surprised nobody has drawn a distinction between proper resin (like Forgeworld) and the poor quality resin that is Finecast. I have no issues with working with proper resin - obviously I'd prefer plastic, and I'm still unsure if I'd rather work with resin or metal for an upgrade, but Finecast is flimsy, prone to awful miscasts and I've even heard too many horror stories about it melting on a hot day. Last time I checked, it gets pretty hot here in Sydney.

Can we please keep the discussion on Shadowspear and not on the properties or desirability of different materials (unless it is pertinent).

Thanks,
ingtaer.