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Eh, I would love to see more armies getting more choices for centerpiece models, especially ones that don't require allies to use. So CSM getting one or more here is a good thing for me.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Man. after all the tease, anything less than a full Chaos reboot would be a dissapointment.

I'm pumped for this, but fear we get much less than we're anticipating

Are you serious?

Do you remember "Orktober"?

6 buggies and a codex.

You should be happy to be getting any infantry models at all, let alone a new centrepiece (as if CSM need any more) in Abby.

I know it was like 5 years ago now, but Orks are one of the armies with Tau, marines and tyranids that have had a huge update and modernisation of their base models in recent times. Yeah you still have a fair few resin squad kits, but they don't look dated at least, other armies cannot say the same. Chaos are absolutely awful model wise, it's an embarrassment to the hobby really.

I agree that the worst looking Chaos models beat the worst looking Ork models in an ugly contest but I disagree that we've had a "huge update and modernisation of our base models". This just isn't true. Boyz are super old and are starting to look derpy, they're the core of any Ork list. Increasing their base size without providing a new sculpt was lazy and stupid of GW. Ghazzy, the big Daddy Ork who is our 'Guilliman' or 'Abaddon' is a joke, he's like tiny bloody Tim which is why everyone buys the Artel mini. Mad Dok looks like gak (doesn't really effect me, mind). So do the currently metal Deff koptas. Our Big Choppa warboss model is from 1999 and is also metal. Then we have multiple failcast units.

I'm glad you Chaos players are getting your due but let's not pretend that the Ork range is completely fine and that the Orktober release doesn't seem somewhat underwhelming given the GSC release and now this one.

I suppose this is where opinions differ, I like the ork boyz and I know they are old as hell... I'm old skool with Orks anyway, they should look a little derpy.

And I totally agree about Ghaz, but not before abaddon, he needed it more, as well as some other characters as we are mentioning in the other thread.

Please can we not rehash Orks again, this is the news and rumours thread for Shadowspear!

So now we have our first inkling of a terrain piece for Chaos(seriously, practically every release in the past year has had a terrain piece with it). That means the following are KNOWN:
Abaddon
Master of Possession
Chaos Space Marines
Obliterators
Possessed
Daemon Engine
Terminators
Terrain Piece (I am thinking some sort of Daemon Forge)

Space Marines are a little less known:
Stealth Librarian
Eliminators
Grav Chute Heavy Weapon Marines

There is a pretty good chance we get a new Captain and Lieutenant based on the artwork, as well as whatever those regular Marines are with Boltguns.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
So now we have our first inkling of a terrain piece for Chaos(seriously, practically every release in the past year has had a terrain piece with it). That means the following are KNOWN:
Abaddon
Master of Possession
Chaos Space Marines
Obliterators
Possessed
Daemon Engine
Terminators
Terrain Piece (I am thinking some sort of Daemon Forge)

Space Marines are a little less known:
Stealth Librarian
Eliminators
Grav Chute Heavy Weapon Marines

There is a pretty good chance we get a new Captain and Lieutenant based on the artwork, as well as whatever those regular Marines are with Boltguns.

I'm thinking the bolt gun marines might just be reivers,

BrianDavion wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
So now we have our first inkling of a terrain piece for Chaos(seriously, practically every release in the past year has had a terrain piece with it). That means the following are KNOWN:
Abaddon
Master of Possession
Chaos Space Marines
Obliterators
Possessed
Daemon Engine
Terminators
Terrain Piece (I am thinking some sort of Daemon Forge)

Space Marines are a little less known:
Stealth Librarian
Eliminators
Grav Chute Heavy Weapon Marines

There is a pretty good chance we get a new Captain and Lieutenant based on the artwork, as well as whatever those regular Marines are with Boltguns.

I'm thinking the bolt gun marines might just be reivers,

They have Troops markings, not Close Support markings. So that leads me to believe that they are something different.

BrianDavion wrote:


I'm thinking the bolt gun marines might just be reivers,

Unless GW is being creative with their language (Reivers, BUT Easy to Build, or something like that), all sculpts in the box are supposed to be new.

BrianDavion wrote:

I'm thinking the bolt gun marines might just be reivers,

Have you seen the Reivers' Bolt Carbine?

The item that the Urban Conquest and Shadowspear art models have is not a Bolt Carbine.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
... the following are KNOWN:
Terminators
Terrain Piece (I am thinking some sort of Daemon Forge)

I think it's a stretch to call these two "known".

I would almost be inclined to say they look like regular Space Marine Tactical Marines wearing improved armor. I don't think that is actually nwhat is going on, but if it actually happened, I wouldn't be surprised.

They look like Mk X Tacticals. As in, the thing everyone has said would come eventually to replace the regular Space Marine Tactical Marines. That rotary barrel Bolt Rifle might just be the new Heavy Bolter or even the equivalent of one.

If that happens, I don't know, I might be replacing a squad or two of Intercessors with them. From the looks of it, we are getting new examples of each of the Force Organization Slots (Grav Chute HW Marines are likely Heavy Support or Fast Attack, Boltgun Marines are Troops, Snipers are Elites or Heavy Support). Which sort of solves some of the problems of Primaris. Especially the snipers and HW Marines.

I am excited to see how this all plays out. I still want a new speeder type vehicle, either a transport or a gunboat (or both out of the same kit).



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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
... the following are KNOWN:
Terminators
Terrain Piece (I am thinking some sort of Daemon Forge)

I think it's a stretch to call these two "known".

Probably. Thought the power fist was pretty damn definitive. Though I guess that could just be a power fist for a bog-standard Chaos Marine.

I really hope both the snipers and autocannon guys(?) go into the Heavy support slot. The elite slot is getting a little crowded and hellblasters are the only Primaris heavy support. I guess one could go fast attack but it might be a bit of a stretch

 fraser1191 wrote:
I really hope both the snipers and autocannon guys(?) go into the Heavy support slot. The elite slot is getting a little crowded and hellblasters are the only Primaris heavy support. I guess one could go fast attack but it might be a bit of a stretch

I would be fine with one of either of those being Fast Attack. I agree that there are way too many Elites for Primaris (Reivers should be Fast Attack anyway), and they need to spread them out. Truthfully, NONE of the Primaris releases need to be Elites.

 Kanluwen wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

I'm thinking the bolt gun marines might just be reivers,

Have you seen the Reivers' Bolt Carbine?

The item that the Urban Conquest and Shadowspear art models have is not a Bolt Carbine.

I based on their magwells, the could be a "Heavy" Bolt Carbine. Im just guessing though cause the Shadowspear guys have a box mag vs the sickle of the Reivers. And their mag looks broader.

BrianDavion wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
So now we have our first inkling of a terrain piece for Chaos(seriously, practically every release in the past year has had a terrain piece with it). That means the following are KNOWN:
Abaddon
Master of Possession
Chaos Space Marines
Obliterators
Possessed
Daemon Engine
Terminators
Terrain Piece (I am thinking some sort of Daemon Forge)

Space Marines are a little less known:
Stealth Librarian
Eliminators
Grav Chute Heavy Weapon Marines

There is a pretty good chance we get a new Captain and Lieutenant based on the artwork, as well as whatever those regular Marines are with Boltguns.

I'm thinking the bolt gun marines might just be reivers,

Remember, during the LVO reveal, GW said everything in the box is brandnew, and doesn't currently have a model. So Reivers wouldn't make sense.

 Togusa wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
So now we have our first inkling of a terrain piece for Chaos(seriously, practically every release in the past year has had a terrain piece with it). That means the following are KNOWN:
Abaddon
Master of Possession
Chaos Space Marines
Obliterators
Possessed
Daemon Engine
Terminators
Terrain Piece (I am thinking some sort of Daemon Forge)

Space Marines are a little less known:
Stealth Librarian
Eliminators
Grav Chute Heavy Weapon Marines

There is a pretty good chance we get a new Captain and Lieutenant based on the artwork, as well as whatever those regular Marines are with Boltguns.

I'm thinking the bolt gun marines might just be reivers,

Agreed, don't think it would be reivers either


Remember, during the LVO reveal, GW said everything in the box is brandnew, and doesn't currently have a model. So Reivers wouldn't make sense.

 Togusa wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
So now we have our first inkling of a terrain piece for Chaos(seriously, practically every release in the past year has had a terrain piece with it). That means the following are KNOWN:
Abaddon
Master of Possession
Chaos Space Marines
Obliterators
Possessed
Daemon Engine
Terminators
Terrain Piece (I am thinking some sort of Daemon Forge)

Space Marines are a little less known:
Stealth Librarian
Eliminators
Grav Chute Heavy Weapon Marines

There is a pretty good chance we get a new Captain and Lieutenant based on the artwork, as well as whatever those regular Marines are with Boltguns.

I'm thinking the bolt gun marines might just be reivers,

Remember, during the LVO reveal, GW said everything in the box is brandnew, and doesn't currently have a model. So Reivers wouldn't make sense.

Reivers are rapid-strike shock troops as well, so don’t really fit into the stealth aspect of the rest of the Space marines in the box..

Btw. with Reivers being "cc" terror troops...what is logic behind not giving them single good cc weapon?

 smurfORnot wrote:
Btw. with Reivers being "cc" terror troops...what is logic behind not giving them single good cc weapon?

Their Bolt Pistols are -1 AP. Call their Combat Knives Power Knives and give them -2 AP (same as the knives that Custodes carry). No change in price, just better stats to fit their current price per model (why they cost more than Intercessors is beyond me...).

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 smurfORnot wrote:
Btw. with Reivers being "cc" terror troops...what is logic behind not giving them single good cc weapon?

Their Bolt Pistols are -1 AP. Call their Combat Knives Power Knives and give them -2 AP (same as the knives that Custodes carry). No change in price, just better stats to fit their current price per model (why they cost more than Intercessors is beyond me...).

Yeah reivers are stuck with no good weapons and therefore no obvious role to perform. I'm not sure AP would fix that, but it would be something. I was just looking at the CA points cost changes to see whether some previously bad units had become contenders. I think some have, but reivers definitely aren't among them. I honestly did a double take when I saw that their grav chutes and grappling hooks are 2 points each.

In theory, they are better than intercessors with auto bolt rifles. They cost the same but come with those cheap halloween masks and shock grenades, so technically they are better. Unfortunately their sergeant can't have any of the cool weapons that an intercessor sergeant can, and their own weapons do nothing much, so they are largely harmless.

What I'm really interested to see is the rules for the vanguard marines. It seems likely to me that they'll have some sort of special rules for deployment - but what? One of the weird things about 40k right now is that there are about 28 million different sets of rules to represent the old "infiltrate" rule in different ways (apparently to make the game easier to understand...). I wonder what these guys will get. "Logic" might dictate that they get the rule that scouts currently have, but obviously that doersn't mean it's what GW will do. The autocannon guys look like they deep strike, though presumably they won't be forced to. No idea about the snipers.

What I do know is that my army will be getting some new options, and that's cool. On balance I've decided it's a shame I won't get to use these option in time for the GT finals - though it's certainly a relief not to have to do the painting.

Honestly pretty hyped for a proper Chaos Portal terrain piece (if, that's what that is anyways) - I've always wanted one (or a sacrificial pit) since they appeared in Dawn of War.

We also really need a Chaos Space Marine smug Pepe and crying Ork Wojak at this point. People also need to stop reading 1d4chan and /tg/ green text stories and taking them as actually existing canon. Anyone who says 'Failbaddon' is clearly a lorelet.

 Togusa wrote:
Remember, during the LVO reveal, GW said everything in the box is brandnew, and doesn't currently have a model. So Reivers wouldn't make sense.

Wasn't it just new sculpts? So if it's reivers it'd be a rather bizarre resculpt after less than what, a year or two?

New Daemon engine.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/02/25/the-daemon-engine-25th-february-2019/

Que the NEW BERSERKER spam.

YeOldSaltPotato wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
Remember, during the LVO reveal, GW said everything in the box is brandnew, and doesn't currently have a model. So Reivers wouldn't make sense.

Wasn't it just new sculpts? So if it's reivers it'd be a rather bizarre resculpt after less than what, a year or two?

I don't think anyone was suggesting that those guys are reivers. They have bolt rifles and no silly face masks. Some of them have the grav chute fin things but most don't. They do all seem to have the reiver-style armour on.

I'm just curious to know what they are and what rules they'll have. I particularly hope that they aren't all elites, like most other Primaris stuff seems to be. More fast and heavy choices would make the army a lot easier to fill out.

One bit of pure wishlisting would be to have a Primaris buggy, like the ones GW has been churning out for orks and GSCs. The GSC one is pretty close to what you'd want already.

OKAY, MORTALS. THE DAEMON ENGINE IS GOING TO BE REAL WITH YOU FOR A MOMENT. I DON’T KNOW WHAT THIS ONE IS AND MY DAEMON BOSS IS GOING TO TURN ME INTO THE WHEEL AXLE ON HIS BLOOD THRONE IF I CAN’T REMEMBER. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THIS SNEAK PEEK COULD BE?



LET ME KNOW ON THE WARHAMMER AGE OF SIGMAR AND WARHAMMER 40,000 FACEBOOK PAGES. QUICKLY. BEING A WHEEL AXLE IS RUBBISH.

looks like that might be a termie axe.

I'm feeling some kinda abby and epic retinue vibe coming with these pics
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Bringers_of_Despair

 Latro_ wrote:
looks like that might be a termie axe.

That's because you're merely guessing. Through the powers of science and deduction, based on the position of the skull, this is clearly an armless stick man Chaos Marine with his jaws agape, a razor tongue sticking out and a spiny ridge running down the center of his backpack.

But if need be I'd take a Bringers of Despair kit, too.

actually! scrap what i said it was a guess a poor one... terminators don't have chain axes!

 Latro_ wrote:
actually! scrap what i said it was a guess a poor one... terminators don't have chain axes!

But they used to.