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 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I think the two regular dudes will look fine on the ground. The Sergeant will need some creative basing. I am interested in the different weapon options though. I hope they actually DON'T get the Onslaught Gatling, since it would make them Worse Inceptors.

I’m hoping for some version of Meltagun.

So we don't have neophytes anymore?

So no more scouts of any kind or are they just going to keep the normal scouts as scouts?

 Asherian Command wrote:
So we don't have neophytes anymore?

So no more scouts of any kind or are they just going to keep the normal scouts as scouts?

Good. It's nice to finally see a recognition that Scouts weren't just Neophytes.

 AduroT wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I think the two regular dudes will look fine on the ground. The Sergeant will need some creative basing. I am interested in the different weapon options though. I hope they actually DON'T get the Onslaught Gatling, since it would make them Worse Inceptors.

I’m hoping for some version of Meltagun.

That would be cool, but it would make even less sense for Suppressing Fire. The Onslaught Gatling Cannon would make sense, it would just make them 100% redundant with Inceptors.

I don't have any particular interest in this box, but getting to listen to Jes Goodwin talk about miniatures for another hour makes it all worth it.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 AduroT wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I think the two regular dudes will look fine on the ground. The Sergeant will need some creative basing. I am interested in the different weapon options though. I hope they actually DON'T get the Onslaught Gatling, since it would make them Worse Inceptors.

I’m hoping for some version of Meltagun.

That would be cool, but it would make even less sense for Suppressing Fire. The Onslaught Gatling Cannon would make sense, it would just make them 100% redundant with Inceptors.

Hey, maybe we will see Suppressors with multilasers?

I wonder if Abaddon will stay at the regular marine size. Would be difficult to see him as that big bad boy when the 3 main heroes from the imperium (Calgar, Cawl, Guliiman) dwarfs him.

You can see he's been embiggened by the preview shots. I wouldn't be surprised to see him closer to Guilliman than Calgar at this point.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I think the two regular dudes will look fine on the ground. The Sergeant will need some creative basing.

I'm less concerned with the push-fit Suppressors, and more with the full kit. With (hopefully) some ability to pose the legs their crappy floating around firehose look won't be a problem.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I am interested in the different weapon options though. I hope they actually DON'T get the Onslaught Gatling, since it would make them Worse Inceptors.

I want a big missile rig. There are some pieces of concept art from 4th Ed that had alternate Devastator ideas. One was a Marine with double Assault Cannons that was kinda cool, but another was a Dev with a big missile harness that is reminiscent of the launchers on Centurions and later the Aggressors.

That on a Suppressor would be awesome, especially if the "missile barrage" theme keeps with the idea that they "suppress" enemy troops.

 streetsamurai wrote:
I wonder if Abaddon will stay at the regular marine size. Would be difficult to see him as that big bad boy when the 3 main heroes from the imperium (Calgar, Cawl, Guliiman) dwarfs him.

He'll go through the Rubicon Chaotica or something to biggerize himself so he can better beat up Calgar and Papa Smurf.

 Azazelx wrote:
You can see he's been embiggened by the preview shots. I wouldn't be surprised to see him closer to Guilliman than Calgar at this point.

According to french wargame studio he is Gulliman like height wise and stat wise.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:
So we don't have neophytes anymore?

So no more scouts of any kind or are they just going to keep the normal scouts as scouts?

Good. It's nice to finally see a recognition that Scouts weren't just Neophytes.

Kind of sad, but what they going to do with neophytes then make them cannon fodder?

@H.B.M.C. I agree. The regular kit better be able to look good on the ground. Inceptors had the same problem. Part of me wants to have smoke jets coming out of the jump packs so it looks like they were arresting their fall rather than jumping up. I hate the flight bases they came in though.

A Missile Launcher would be great. Even with the ML stats currently, they would definitely get some work done. Suppressing Fire certainly seems like it will make Tau sad. Even each Suppressor popping two shots off at multiple units would effective.

 Azazelx wrote:
You can see he's been embiggened by the preview shots. I wouldn't be surprised to see him closer to Guilliman than Calgar at this point.

Given that the novels described him as being close to Horus in height, yeah, I would be surprised if he's not considerably larger than before.

 insaniak wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:
You can see he's been embiggened by the preview shots. I wouldn't be surprised to see him closer to Guilliman than Calgar at this point.

Given that the novels described him as being close to Horus in height, yeah, I would be surprised if he's not considerably larger than before.

Which is kind of the point. He is essentially a clone of Horus now. Which is hilarious because he HATES Horus.

 insaniak wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:
You can see he's been embiggened by the preview shots. I wouldn't be surprised to see him closer to Guilliman than Calgar at this point.

Given that the novels described him as being close to Horus in height, yeah, I would be surprised if he's not considerably larger than before.

Which, to be fair, he should be. Like Ghaz, Abaddon really suffers from small-model syndrome.

Abaddon is blessed by all four Chaos gods- only Belakor shares this trait in current 40k. Abaddon should be an absolutely Chaos-bloated monster with the boons he has received. He was meant to be a big Marine to start with too.

WhiteDog wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:
You can see he's been embiggened by the preview shots. I wouldn't be surprised to see him closer to Guilliman than Calgar at this point.

According to french wargame studio he is Gulliman like height wise and stat wise.

By the 4 Gods, please let it be so

Kanluwen wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:
So we don't have neophytes anymore?

So no more scouts of any kind or are they just going to keep the normal scouts as scouts?

Good. It's nice to finally see a recognition that Scouts weren't just Neophytes.

In the Voxcast they talked about this.

Jes specifically said that they're still scouts, Wade then interjected and said they're like adolescent marines.

Honestly, I feel like the biggest takeaway is that Suppressors aren't intended to be "orbital" troops like the Inceptors are--hence the lighter armor. Jes seemed to hint/imply there might be a "dropship" coming that ties with the Vanguard.

WhiteDog wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:
You can see he's been embiggened by the preview shots. I wouldn't be surprised to see him closer to Guilliman than Calgar at this point.

According to french wargame studio he is Gulliman like height wise and stat wise.

Makes sense. He's essentially a lot like a Daemon Prince in many ways, so it fits fine in my opinion.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
To be fair, he wanged it in there. So he’s only himself to blame if he can’t remember where that was.

Unless he’s just sort of stood around like a Lemon, checking his watch.

I laughed at every single word of this.

I hope when they reveal Abaddon he is initially armless and in pink then there is a record scratch and it shows him with his arms.

What sorts of weapons would be good at suppressing an enemy?

My thinking immediately goes to flamers and frag cannons. Suppressors with some type of flamer would be pretty boss, especially if it had a range longer than 8". Some form of grenade launcher or shrapnel launcher would be good too.

But yeah, I'm tempted to hold off for the full kit. Seeing some of these models be easy-build duplicates is a bit frustrating. I'm also pretty sure that the full venomcrawler kit will solve a lot more of the daemon engine rumors. It'll come as its own kit with more options, much like the feotid bloat drone did.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
@H.B.M.C. I agree. The regular kit better be able to look good on the ground. Inceptors had the same problem. Part of me wants to have smoke jets coming out of the jump packs so it looks like they were arresting their fall rather than jumping up. I hate the flight bases they came in though.

A Missile Launcher would be great. Even with the ML stats currently, they would definitely get some work done. Suppressing Fire certainly seems like it will make Tau sad. Even each Suppressor popping two shots off at multiple units would effective.

I actually agree. I really want suppressors to be able to stand since to me the seem more like they shoot, redeploy, shoot, etc.

They don't seem to be zipping around like inceptors.
Anyway I may have to buy the ETB intercessors and do some cutting

drbored wrote:
What sorts of weapons would be good at suppressing an enemy?

My thinking immediately goes to flamers and frag cannons. Suppressors with some type of flamer would be pretty boss, especially if it had a range longer than 8". Some form of grenade launcher or shrapnel launcher would be good too.

But yeah, I'm tempted to hold off for the full kit. Seeing some of these models be easy-build duplicates is a bit frustrating. I'm also pretty sure that the full venomcrawler kit will solve a lot more of the daemon engine rumors. It'll come as its own kit with more options, much like the feotid bloat drone did.

Neither of those would be (if you mean the frag cannon that is a flamer). This makes me wonder if everyone with military experience or exposure has quit GW, as these Space Marine designs keep getting further and further away from what utilitarian military hardware should be (and was before the Dark Imperium fluff atrocity).

A suppressive weapon would be a heavy bolter, assault cannon or explosive weapon like grenades/missiles. Since you’re not trying to kill but keep someone from engaging.

Although we haven't seen them from behind except in that not-at-all-clear artwork, I don't think they're jump troops like Assault Marines or Inceptors (even if the minis work as jump troops when done correctly, as that shoop from the other page showed). I just think they float down, land, and then start blazing away.

Why they chose to make the minis in the "floating down" portion of their deployment I will never know.

Then again, we may see a 360 and it turns out they have a big 'ol ramjet sticking out their behind kinda like the Sanguinary Guard.

 Kirasu wrote:
A suppressive weapon would be a heavy bolter, assault cannon or explosive weapon like grenades/missiles. Since you’re not trying to kill but keep someone from engaging.

That's why want a big frag missiles system thing that just launches tons of shells at the enemy. They have a high-strength decent RoF autocannon for suppressing larger targets (plus the added AA bonus) and then a big explosive anti-infantry deterrent.

 Kirasu wrote:

drbored wrote:
What sorts of weapons would be good at suppressing an enemy?

My thinking immediately goes to flamers and frag cannons. Suppressors with some type of flamer would be pretty boss, especially if it had a range longer than 8". Some form of grenade launcher or shrapnel launcher would be good too.

But yeah, I'm tempted to hold off for the full kit. Seeing some of these models be easy-build duplicates is a bit frustrating. I'm also pretty sure that the full venomcrawler kit will solve a lot more of the daemon engine rumors. It'll come as its own kit with more options, much like the feotid bloat drone did.

Neither of those would be (if you mean the frag cannon that is a flamer). This makes me wonder if everyone with military experience or exposure has quit GW, as these Space Marine designs keep getting further and further away from what utilitarian military hardware should be (and was before the Dark Imperium fluff atrocity).

A suppressive weapon would be a heavy bolter, assault cannon or explosive weapon like grenades/missiles. Since you’re not trying to kill but keep someone from engaging.

Yup, sustained dakka keeps people's heads down. When talking about machine guns, area targets are just as important as point targets. The idea being you want to prevent your opponent from being both able to look around and maintain their situational awareness. The former is so they can't return fire and the later is so they don't know where your other fire teams are as they attempt to flank.

 Asherian Command wrote:
<SNIP>

The level of assumption and fear mongering in this post is delicious. Please continue.

 Azazelx wrote:

WhiteDog wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:
You can see he's been embiggened by the preview shots. I wouldn't be surprised to see him closer to Guilliman than Calgar at this point.

According to french wargame studio he is Gulliman like height wise and stat wise.

Makes sense. He's essentially a lot like a Daemon Prince in many ways, so it fits fine in my opinion.

I've previously argued that it would be silly for Abbadon to approach anything like a Primarch given that Primarchs are basically walking gods and they are genetically so different from normal space marines. Even if Abbadon is unusually big and bad and an incredibly dangerous fighter.

However, reading the ADB books, it seems to me that Abbadon wasn't just huge, he was unusually similar to Horus in size and resemblance to the point where he could be almost be a Primarch. Then add in the force of will of commanding the Long War for 10,000 years, plus being swollen with the power of the 4 Chaos Gods just like Horus (who went toe-to-toe with the Emperor at that point), plus whatever the effects of carrying dread weapons like Drachnyen and the Talon, and I have to think that I was wrong and that Abbadon is unique in that he could ultimately qualify for Primarch levels of physicality and genius. Especially since Gullimen is to some extent damaged and resurrected goods.

 Kirasu wrote:


Neither of those would be (if you mean the frag cannon that is a flamer). This makes me wonder if everyone with military experience or exposure has quit GW, as these Space Marine designs keep getting further and further away from what utilitarian military hardware should be (and was before the Dark Imperium fluff atrocity).

A suppressive weapon would be a heavy bolter, assault cannon or explosive weapon like grenades/missiles. Since you’re not trying to kill but keep someone from engaging.

You do know you’re armchairing Jes freakin’ Goodwin, right? We’re lucky to have someone exploring initially-unexpected silhouettes that make perfect 40k sense the longer you look at them rather than the most obvious weaponry/suit styles you’re advocating for.

 Haighus wrote:

Which, to be fair, he should be. Like Ghaz, Abaddon really suffers from small-model syndrome..

To be fair, when the current model was released, he was significantly larger than any other existing marine. And at that point the Primarchs hadn't really been described in any detail and the nonsense about them being 12' tall hadn't been introduced. Mike McVey's 2nd edition-era version of Horus (for his Horus vs the Emperor diorama) was based on a regular Chaos Terminator Lord.

He's just suffering from being out of date, with the Primarchs' being fluffed out and the ridiculous Guilliman model taking to the table.