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2019/03/05 17:38:58
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
The bit of art they showed, with the Maulerfiend, is already in the current CSM codex, so I wouldn’t necessarily expect the stuff from the background to get models. Top left is just raptors anyway.
2019/03/05 18:14:34
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Thousand Sons already got rotor cannons too. Marines should have the advantage of the few minor technological advancement, Chaos Marines the advantage of the remnants of Heresy Era technology they've been able to maintain.
Dual belt feed - maybe twice the number of shots? H6 S5 AP1 wouldn't be too shabby, but might make the heavy bolter pointless.
I think, compared to the heavy bolter, it should have a lot more shots, but with lower strength and shorter range. Perhaps 24 inch range, heavy 6, strength 4? It would almost be like have three storm bolters. I could live with that.
2019/03/05 18:17:37
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
You know, Abaddon is quite pleasingly light on the Chaos Iconography.
I mean, he’s definitely not Imperial, obvs. But apart from the belt bit, and the left hand bracer? It’s just baroque brasswork, rather than deviiotionals.
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2019/03/05 18:28:43
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
I like the Abaddon a lot. Not a super fan of the Black Legion scheme, though. I wonder if there are any good alternate paint scheme routes to take.
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2019/03/05 18:31:42
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
I think Abaddon and Robute make a good dark/light reflection of each other. The Talon of Horus and Drach’nyen vs the Emperor’s Sword and Hand of Dominion. The dead Primaris and torch at Abaddon’s feet and the CSM and torch on Guilliman’s base. They just really mirror each other so well.
2019/03/05 18:50:01
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
I'm just going to say that the Chaos stuff really highlights the Godawful design philosophy underpinning the Primaris release. The Chaos stuff is baroque without being a parody of itself. Compare Abaddon to the bearded Lieutenant for goodness sake. Abaddon is LESS busy and more 'realistic' than some 2nd Company junior officer. And they elegance of the Chaos stuff is very impressive. Just compare that rotor cannon Havoc to one of the Suppressors.
2019/03/05 18:52:33
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Thanatos73 wrote: I think Abaddon and Robute make a good dark/light reflection of each other. The Talon of Horus and Drach’nyen vs the Emperor’s Sword and Hand of Dominion. The dead Primaris and torch at Abaddon’s feet and the CSM and torch on Guilliman’s base. They just really mirror each other so well.
I agree - I think they both look good.
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Thousand Sons already got rotor cannons too. Marines should have the advantage of the few minor technological advancement, Chaos Marines the advantage of the remnants of Heresy Era technology they've been able to maintain.
Dual belt feed - maybe twice the number of shots? H6 S5 AP1 wouldn't be too shabby, but might make the heavy bolter pointless.
I think, compared to the heavy bolter, it should have a lot more shots, but with lower strength and shorter range. Perhaps 24 inch range, heavy 6, strength 4? It would almost be like have three storm bolters. I could live with that.
The Soul Reaper version the Thousand Sons have is R24, S4, AP-3 Heavy 6... So yeah, the more mundane version R24, S4, AP - , Heavy 6 makes sense. That makes it a purely volume of fire weapon, that does nothing to almost nothing to mitigate toughness or armor saves. Against higher armored targets the bolter I think still wins out. Against hordes this will be better.
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2019/03/05 18:56:09
Subject: Re:Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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2019/03/05 18:57:02
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Yeah, the chaotic bois are going to have a hell of a release by all accounts. It's a safe bet to assume Black legion (and CSM in general) are about to explode in popularity. Personally I love evrything we've seen from them so far with possible exception to the new obliterators.
This new Abaddon might be GWs best model, certainly their best centerpiece HQIMO -and- it's the model that most badly needed an update.
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aka_mythos wrote: Maybe I'm biased but the Abaddon is such a step up in quality from even Robute.
Thousand Sons already got rotor cannons too. Marines should have the advantage of the few minor technological advancement, Chaos Marines the advantage of the remnants of Heresy Era technology they've been able to maintain.
Dual belt feed - maybe twice the number of shots? H6 S5 AP1 wouldn't be too shabby, but might make the heavy bolter pointless.
I think, compared to the heavy bolter, it should have a lot more shots, but with lower strength and shorter range. Perhaps 24 inch range, heavy 6, strength 4? It would almost be like have three storm bolters. I could live with that.
The Soul Reaper version the Thousand Sons have is R24, S4, AP-3 Heavy 6... So yeah, the more mundane version R24, S4, AP - , Heavy 6 makes sense. That makes it a purely volume of fire weapon, that does nothing to almost nothing to mitigate toughness or armor saves. Against higher armored targets the bolter I think still wins out. Against hordes this will be better.
It's not. It's heavy 4 S5 AP-3 D1
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2019/03/05 19:00:07
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Thousand Sons already got rotor cannons too. Marines should have the advantage of the few minor technological advancement, Chaos Marines the advantage of the remnants of Heresy Era technology they've been able to maintain.
Dual belt feed - maybe twice the number of shots? H6 S5 AP1 wouldn't be too shabby, but might make the heavy bolter pointless.
I think, compared to the heavy bolter, it should have a lot more shots, but with lower strength and shorter range. Perhaps 24 inch range, heavy 6, strength 4? It would almost be like have three storm bolters. I could live with that.
The Soul Reaper version the Thousand Sons have is R24, S4, AP-3 Heavy 6... So yeah, the more mundane version R24, S4, AP - , Heavy 6 makes sense. That makes it a purely volume of fire weapon, that does nothing to almost nothing to mitigate toughness or armor saves. Against higher armored targets the bolter I think still wins out. Against hordes this will be better.
What you have said is more likely... but I think it would be neat if they made the rotor cannon S3 (like the Heresy-era version) or even S2, but a bucket load of shots. This would make it statistically better at killing weak units than Space Marines, and really cement it into a chaff-killing role. Probably not going to happen though.
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2019/03/05 19:01:42
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Seeing Abaddon next to Guilliman really highlights the problem with the the latter. Abaddon actually looks like a giant guy in 40K scale, Guilliman looks like a model from a game using different scale.
Thousand Sons already got rotor cannons too. Marines should have the advantage of the few minor technological advancement, Chaos Marines the advantage of the remnants of Heresy Era technology they've been able to maintain.
Dual belt feed - maybe twice the number of shots? H6 S5 AP1 wouldn't be too shabby, but might make the heavy bolter pointless.
I think, compared to the heavy bolter, it should have a lot more shots, but with lower strength and shorter range. Perhaps 24 inch range, heavy 6, strength 4? It would almost be like have three storm bolters. I could live with that.
The Soul Reaper version the Thousand Sons have is R24, S4, AP-3 Heavy 6... So yeah, the more mundane version R24, S4, AP - , Heavy 6 makes sense. That makes it a purely volume of fire weapon, that does nothing to almost nothing to mitigate toughness or armor saves. Against higher armored targets the bolter I think still wins out. Against hordes this will be better.
What you have said is more likely... but I think it would be neat if they made the rotor cannon S3 (like the Heresy-era version) or even S2, but a bucket load of shots. This would make it statistically better at killing weak units than Space Marines, and really cement it into a chaff-killing role. Probably not going to happen though.
I request using math first. At S2 this weapon need to be HEAVY 30 to even do 3 wounds to guardsmen in cover, or Heavy 20 at S3. To kill chaff it should probably be S5 Heavy 6 (and yes this means Heavy bolsters are awful, but they always have been).
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2019/03/05 19:09:43
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Both looks nice. Abbadon looks fantastic but Guilliman doesn´t seems bad. They are very similar in my opinión. Like others sayd before, one darkness the other is the light.
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2019/03/05 19:10:10
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
defwolf wrote: Why does Abaddon need tracer rounds? Doesn't his machine spirit keep track of his ammo? Lol
1. Who says they’re tracer rounds? The marking designations of a military that’s millennia dead and superseded several times over?
2. What do tracers have to do with “keeping track of ammo” exactly?
3. His armour’s machine spirit spends most of its time growling at Drach’nyen these days. The sword growls right back. Abbadon thinks this is both hilarious and adorable.
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