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2019/03/08 22:25:31
Subject: Re:Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
GoatboyBeta wrote: Well now its just a case of waiting for the full MPK's. Fingers crossed that neither side has to wait as long as the DG did after Dark Imperium.
I allready see my csm part of my blog expanding.
Chaos for everyone!
Except you jeb.
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
2019/03/08 22:36:39
Subject: Re:Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Yeah...I kinda figured that would end up being the case. They made a point about how stuff would be interchangeable, not how there would be extras.
Well, I am not overly surprised either. I am going to cut apart the Lieutenant's head and use an Intercessor helmet for him (he has the lower half of an Intercessor helmet on anyway). For the Suppressor, I am going to give him this head. As for the Infiltrator Sergeant, Eliminator Sergeant, and Headache Marine, they will likely not have heads for a bit.
Crimson wrote: I'm gonna give half of my infiltrators a beakie helmet and a studded shoulderpad.
What's the going rate to ship stuff from Finland?
I might put green stuff in the front vents of the Vanguard Veteran helmet and add some small details to the helmet to make it look more like the other Suppressor helmets.
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I've said it once and I'll say it again. Obliterators look disgusting from the back. Both models tend to have the same looking back tubes as well. The left side is more of a tube/pipe, while the right side has the ammo exposed. I guess if they make them a multipart kit, keeping that same aesthetic will make it easier to give them different builds, since the same sort of guns will always go on the same side.
2019/03/09 00:17:14
Subject: Re:Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
GoatboyBeta wrote: Well now its just a case of waiting for the full MPK's. Fingers crossed that neither side has to wait as long as the DG did after Dark Imperium.
How long was that, out of curiosity?
We're on month 3 since Wrath and Rapture, and I'd like an estimate on fiends and flesh hounds in unit boxes, don't really want to buy another W & R box.
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2019/03/09 00:17:16
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
My only complaint with the obliterators is their lack of pants. I like the ammo feed bursting out of their shoulder blades and I think with a less contrasty skin color their fleshy arms won't be terrible. The diaper looking crotch plate is a sticking point though. They couldn't give them some armor on the legs or chain mail or something?
2019/03/09 01:58:16
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
I must admit I had zero interest in a new abby, but after seeing this model I see him as the base for a converted Thunder Warrior.
And for those who can't or wont go 'there'......
Spoiler:
A short piece of Fluff by ADB, answering this question: Why does Chaos no longer have any Whirlwinds or Land Speeders when they had them during the heresy?
"Dude, Horus just croaked. What now?"
Abaddon re-tied his topknot. He totally had an idea. "I totally have an idea," he said. The Traitor Legions looked on expectantly. "Here's what we do. We run away."
Many helmed heads nodded. This seemed a wise course of action.
"Good idea," said Erebus.
'Hush." Abaddon frowned at the interruption. "But I think we should leave behind our jetbikes, Dreadclaws, Whirlwinds, Landspeeders - pretty much all anti-grav technology, really - as well as our bikes, attack bikes, and pretty much anything else we've used so far."
Fewer helms nodded this time. "Dude," said Lucius the Eternal, "we might need all that stuff. Some of that stuff is rad."
"Nah, I've made up my mind. Let's just go."
"But..."
"Let's. Just. Go." Abaddon waved the Talon of Horus. Its scythe-blade fingers made clickety-click sounds.
"Okay, let's just go," agreed Lucius.
Kharn wasn't so easily placated. "What about Cyclone Launchers? Because I saw those in Horus Heresy: Collected Visions, so we must be using th--"
"I feel like I'm talking to myself, here." Abaddon pointed a claw at the World Eater. It poked Kharn in the eye.
"Ow, Jesus, man. Okay, okay. We'll go."
"Yeah, that's what I thought."
Abaddon pimp-walked from the room, strutting like he owned the place.
"Hey, what about this conversion beamer?" asked Typhus. "Couldn't we use these in Rogue Trader? These are awesome. They go, like, FWOOOOOSH."
"Leave it!" Abaddon's voice called from the other room. Typhus put it down, grumbling.
Fabius Bile sort of shrugged. "So, uh, can I come with you guys? Because I was checking the passenger lists, and none of the Legions are taking their Apothecaries. I mean... don't you need us?"
Lucius patted his brother on the shoulder. "It's okay, man. We'll allude to the Apothecaries in the background text. I mean, you won't get to ever do anything, but you'll sort of be there in the fluff, y'know? A bit? Maybe?"
"Balls to this. I'm leaving the Legion. I'll make my own rules."
Kharn snorted. "Your rules will be lame for competitive play. Just watch. And people will call you Fabulous Bill."
The Traitors walked from the chamber, out to the landing pad. It was deserted.
"Uh, Abbs?"
Abaddon turned to Ahriman. "S'up?"
"Um." The Thousand Son gestured to the empty landing pad. "Where are all our gunships?"
Abaddon ignored him. "Weren't you red a minute ago?"
"We're blue now. It's... it's this whole... thing. Look, seriously, where are our Thunderhawks?"
"Oh, right. Them." Abaddon toyed with his topknot, swishing it back and forth, like a kitten with a fluffy toy. "We won't need those. We can run everywhere and stuff. Or push Rhinos out of hangers and ride them through the atmosphere. It'll be cool."
The Traitors shared a glance. This wasn't going well. Abaddon noticed their hesitation, and sought to calm them. "Relaaaaax. I'll invent new stuff. Like... spider robots with daemons in, and they have claws and stuff. They'll defile things. Maybe they can be called Defilotrons. It'll be sweet. And they'll have a gun on their chests, and tiny little heads. What? Why are you looking at me like that? You just wait. We'll rock this place all to hell."
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2019/03/09 02:37:19
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Less miniatures and no rule book or something of equivalence to replace it. Yes they are different miniatures/factions, but given its expected that full multipart kits of the same kindwill come out sooner or later, why would you buy this other than to get the new things now.
$65 (AUS) over DI for that much less is just crackers IMHO.
Those damn monkeys keep stealing my saving throws
Azrael13: Conversions should be a choice, not a necessity to make a "premium" product acceptable.
2019/03/09 02:49:14
Subject: Re:Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Less miniatures and no rule book or something of equivalence to replace it. Yes they are different miniatures/factions, but given its expected that full multipart kits of the same kindwill come out sooner or later, why would you buy this other than to get the new things now.
$65 (AUS) over DI for that much less is just crackers IMHO.
Maybe its a way for them to justify pricing the separate models super high. Why pay for two obliterators and a venomcrawler, you can easily just buy the boxset instead, and save 50$ or something like that.
2019/03/09 03:15:38
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Less miniatures and no rule book or something of equivalence to replace it. Yes they are different miniatures/factions, but given its expected that full multipart kits of the same kindwill come out sooner or later, why would you buy this other than to get the new things now.
$65 (AUS) over DI for that much less is just crackers IMHO.
Maybe its a way for them to justify pricing the separate models super high. Why pay for two obliterators and a venomcrawler, you can easily just buy the boxset instead, and save 50$ or something like that.
This thought depresses me more. :C
I could see the new Chaos Marines being over $100 tbh. Current new kits of 10 tend to be around $100, and these guys will be, “packed to the brim with all the heavy weapons and special weapons you’ll ever need!”
2019/03/09 03:32:19
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
I don't like the price but in all fairness 3 sm characters that are normally 30-35, 1 csm that's 30, a dual box that's probably 30 for the super possessed, 2 40 troop units, two 30-40 sm units, a Walker and a admech robot sized double box.
At 30 for the characters that's 150 in characters, 80 in 10 man troop choices, 60 for the two 3 man sm units, 40 for the Walker and 50 for the oblits and you get a retail of 480ish total. Now reduce that by 25% because easy to build and your still around 350 so 50% off. Problem is the cost of single characters. Put those at reasonable 15 each and you're sitting at a savings of 90 instead but that's still a solid discount.
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2019/03/09 10:36:06
Subject: Re:Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Watching an unboxing video right now. Here are the missing Vanguard Warlord Traits (only Phobos Characters may take these):
Shoot and Fade (After making a shooting attack, your Warlord can move as if it was the movement phase. Must advance as well)
Master of the Vanguard (Add 1 to all move, advance, and charge rolls to all Chapter units within 6" of your Warlord)
Stealth Adept (-1 from all to-hit rolls against your Warlord.)
Marksman's Honours (Add 1 to damage characteristic for ALL shooting weapons your Warlord uses. Reroll hit and wound rolls for your Warlord's shooting attacks. Does not affect grenades, but DOES affect relics)
They didn't go over points. Boo.
And the CSMWL traits (only Psykers may take these):
Arch-Sorcerer (Your warlord knows one additional power)
Reader of Fate (Once per battle, reroll a failed psychic test or Deny the Witch. In addition, every time you successfully manifest a psychic powers, you gain 1 CP)
Infernal Gaze (Smite at 24" instead of 18")
Daemon-linked Power (Add 1 to WL Strength trait. Reroll damage rolls for Force weapons, including relics)
The clear winner is Reader of Fate, IMO.
Edit: Can confirm. Oblits are 115 pts each. Venomcrawler is 130 pts. I am thinking the leaked points are real.
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Has anyone checked out the 360 degree views on the GW website? The length of the shoulder mounted assault cannon on that one Obliterator just looks ridiculous.
FrothingMuppet wrote: Yes they are different miniatures/factions, but given its expected that full multipart kits of the same kindwill come out sooner or later, why would you buy this other than to get the new things now.
*looks at 7th ed starter chosen*
Yeah, about that, you can expect a lot of things that may never happen. I'd really hope these get released multi-part separately, but I'm not banking on that.
2019/03/09 10:50:44
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
the other two were already leaked. Warp Lord and Devourer of Magic. I listed the four other traits in my post.
Edit: Also, the SM Warlord Traits are only available to Phobos Characters. Boo. Only Psykers can take the CSM traits, but they all affect psychic powers, so...
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Its just too pricey for what it is really, I cant justify paying that for the handfull of models that I like and to be honest its a bit much for me to buy a load in to resell this time as well.
Having said that it could be much worse, I could live down under !!
2019/03/09 10:59:09
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
the other two were already leaked. Warp Lord and Devourer of Magic. I listed the four other traits in my post.
Oh whoops, I'm metally deficient. I just saw the loyalist ones.
These seem pretty good except for the Smite one which is boring.
I was probably editing the post to add them in while you saw it. And agreed all but the Smite (trash) one look good. I like Reader of Fate the most, but Warp Lord seems potent.
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The reader of fate wl trait must be wrong. Maybe you gain the CP whe you reroll the psychic test. As written is totaly OP (even more if you can take it with any chaos psyker as it seems... Image this wl trait in Magnus )
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2019/03/09 11:35:16
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
zinch wrote: The reader of fate wl trait must be wrong. Maybe you gain the CP whe you reroll the psychic test. As written is totaly OP (even more if you can take it with any chaos psyker as it seems)
I believe it's: "Once per battle, you can re-roll failed Psychic test or Deny the Witch test for your warlord. In addition, if your army is battle-forged, roll a D6 each time your Warlord successfully manifests a psychic power, on 6 you gain 1 additional Command Point."
2019/03/09 11:39:24
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
zinch wrote: The reader of fate wl trait must be wrong. Maybe you gain the CP whe you reroll the psychic test. As written is totaly OP (even more if you can take it with any chaos psyker as it seems)
I believe it's: "Once per battle, you can re-roll failed Psychic test or Deny the Witch test for your warlord. In addition, if your army is battle-forged, roll a D6 each time your Warlord successfully manifests a psychic power, on 6 you gain 1 additional Command Point."
This has A LOT more sense
2019/03/09 11:44:44
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
zinch wrote: The reader of fate wl trait must be wrong. Maybe you gain the CP whe you reroll the psychic test. As written is totaly OP (even more if you can take it with any chaos psyker as it seems)
I believe it's: "Once per battle, you can re-roll failed Psychic test or Deny the Witch test for your warlord. In addition, if your army is battle-forged, roll a D6 each time your Warlord successfully manifests a psychic power, on 6 you gain 1 additional Command Point."
This has A LOT more sense
Yeah, I have been up since yesterday morning, so my paraphrasing kinda sucks. That and stupid hospital air is drying my contacts out like mad right now.
I don't remember if I said it before, but the leaked points are correct, even if they are ridiculously stupid for some units.
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