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ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Has anyone checked out the 360 degree views on the GW website? The length of the shoulder mounted assault cannon on that one Obliterator just looks ridiculous.

It's huge. I was not expecting that.

I don't mind it though.

It certainly, er, exceeded my expectations.

Looking at the back of the obliterators, now THATS Flesh and Metal fussed. In the front view it wasn't as well represented.

Agreed. Still think a bettter paint job is possible on the melding.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Marksman's Honours (Add 1 to damage characteristic for ALL shooting weapons your Warlord uses. Reroll hit and wound rolls for your Warlord's shooting attacks. Does not affect grenades, but DOES affect relics)

What relics?

 Irbis wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Marksman's Honours (Add 1 to damage characteristic for ALL shooting weapons your Warlord uses. Reroll hit and wound rolls for your Warlord's shooting attacks. Does not affect grenades, but DOES affect relics)

What relics?

I would bet you bottom dollar there will be some in Vigilus Ablaze. Otherwise Crimson Fists and Imperial Fists both have relic Bolt Pistols that any one of the three Characters could take. The Crimson Fists one would be nasty AF with the +1 damage and reroll to hit and wound.

Anyone know if the new Primaris can be taken with Deathwatch? I have a crimson fist army but run my list as Deathwatch codex as I prefer it.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Marksman's Honours (Add 1 to damage characteristic for ALL shooting weapons your Warlord uses. Reroll hit and wound rolls for your Warlord's shooting attacks. Does not affect grenades, but DOES affect relics)

What relics?

I would bet you bottom dollar there will be some in Vigilus Ablaze. Otherwise Crimson Fists and Imperial Fists both have relic Bolt Pistols that any one of the three Characters could take. The Crimson Fists one would be nasty AF with the +1 damage and reroll to hit and wound.

The idea of a Marine character actually being nasty with a bolt pistol is intriguing.

Rogerio134134 wrote:
Anyone know if the new Primaris can be taken with Deathwatch? I have a crimson fist army but run my list as Deathwatch codex as I prefer it.

The official answer is basically “not yet.” Not now, but they’ve all but confirmed that we’ll be able to do so when the multipart kits come out.


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Does the mini codex have anything about chapter tactics or legion traits? I’m wondering whether they’re changing the Black Legion’s rather lacklustre trait.

Sigh, one more thing I don't like - I was wondering why transfer sheet wasn't shown. I found one in unboxing video and it turns out it's pretty garbage - not only Ultramarines only, it's tiny, similar size as single squad transfer sheets. They should have just thrown in Dark Imperium transfers in and called it a day, would be vastly more useful than this post-it sized lazy token one...

 Haighus wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Marksman's Honours (Add 1 to damage characteristic for ALL shooting weapons your Warlord uses. Reroll hit and wound rolls for your Warlord's shooting attacks. Does not affect grenades, but DOES affect relics)

What relics?

I would bet you bottom dollar there will be some in Vigilus Ablaze. Otherwise Crimson Fists and Imperial Fists both have relic Bolt Pistols that any one of the three Characters could take. The Crimson Fists one would be nasty AF with the +1 damage and reroll to hit and wound.

The idea of a Marine character actually being nasty with a bolt pistol is intriguing.

Hmm. The new librarian would qualify to have that if taken in a liberator strike force. That’s a non-terrible option, but usually I think he’d be better off with the +1 to hit trait and no meaningful gun.

To be honest as crimson fists the trait that doubles your scoring model count is kind of a no-brainer, especially in the missions from the current CA with scoring every turn. It’s kind of too good to consider mucking about with fancy bolt pistols.

Just take a WL trait and your SM leader can be as deadly a gunslinger as a Kellermorph! Well, one of his three arms at least


The libby would be a perfect leader for the Silver Skull KT I thought about doing, I thought about a couple of Reivers and a Termi librarian - mostly as a joke, but he could teleport were his team infiltrates - but this guy is so perfect for a KT. And he'd be my favourite sculpt in a while if not for Abaddon. And I'm not just trying to convince myself to hit the "preorder now" button!

Any word on using these in Killteam?

 AduroT wrote:
Any word on using these in Killteam?

In the designer interview on WHTV, they pretty much confirmed it. Nothing definitive, but they said every affirmative other than yes.

Gonna be honest. I am disappointed with this release. The cost of the box plus the content of the CSM part... This is Dark Vengeance all over again. Cool sculpts with poor rules and stats compared to the Imperium side. I'm out of this. GW has diaappointed me for the last time.

 Khornate25 wrote:
Gonna be honest. I am disappointed with this release. The cost of the box plus the content of the CSM part... This is Dark Vengeance all over again. Cool sculpts with poor rules and stats compared to the Imperium side. I'm out of this. GW has diaappointed me for the last time.

The good thing is though, points and rules can change. So if the new sculpts are good then at some stage the rules can be good for them too. Not to mention a small point drop for the Obliterators would make them ace, and they did point drops for the Space Marine and DG codexes when they dropped after Dark Imperium's release.

These minis would look really good with those from Dark Vengeance.

I wonder if any chance the minis from Dark Vengeance will get a release, as separate kits maybe?


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 Khornate25 wrote:
Gonna be honest. I am disappointed with this release. The cost of the box plus the content of the CSM part... This is Dark Vengeance all over again. Cool sculpts with poor rules and stats compared to the Imperium side. I'm out of this. GW has diaappointed me for the last time.

I get the feeling that your words are very true for many in the chaos community. Atleast you are getting models, which probably looks good for the future. However everything choas side seems overcosted TBH. You need to be a master strategist to get the most out of these minis.

I don't like a lot in this box, but I do like a significant portion. I just have to figure out if the cost of getting those individually is too close to just getting the box to justify not picking it up.

Wants:
Libraraian
Lt
Infiltrators
Eliminators

Master of possession
Chaos marine sqd

Looking at current ebay listings, that would come to...$170. So I can get the entire box for $150 which now makes it a no-brainer. The cost may seem high, but when you break it down into it's individual contents, it's not too bad.

 bullyboy wrote:
Looking at current ebay listings, that would come to...$170. So I can get the entire box for $150 which now makes it a no-brainer. The cost may seem high, but when you break it down into it's individual contents, it's not too bad.

Well, that assumes that the compared prices are reasonable. Personally, almost all my new GW purchases are boxed sets because they don't price me out of the game. Comparing the prices for starter sets to other overpriced other models or to the cost of the starter sets broken down such that those taking the time to do so get a profit does not establish that the boxed set is a good price.

 Tiberius501 wrote:

 Khornate25 wrote:
Gonna be honest. I am disappointed with this release. The cost of the box plus the content of the CSM part... This is Dark Vengeance all over again. Cool sculpts with poor rules and stats compared to the Imperium side. I'm out of this. GW has diaappointed me for the last time.

The good thing is though, points and rules can change. So if the new sculpts are good then at some stage the rules can be good for them too. Not to mention a small point drop for the Obliterators would make them ace, and they did point drops for the Space Marine and DG codexes when they dropped after Dark Imperium's release.

Just one problem, csm are like tacticals, just bad. Since well the whole 8th and even before, and whilest you were able to customize them before with marks, melee+bolter + BP now you are not anymore.

Hopefully the new Vigilus book will have some specialist detachment that will improve basic CSM.

Something like improve the Wounds and Attacks characteristics of a Heretic Astartes unit by one.

EDIT: But in reality we'll probably get something like +1 to Advance rolls for Daemon Engines.

 XT-1984 wrote:
Hopefully the new Vigilus book will have some specialist detachment that will improve basic CSM.

Something like improve the Wounds and Attacks characteristics of a Heretic Astartes unit by one.

EDIT: But in reality we'll probably get something like +1 to Advance rolls for Daemon Engines.

No, probably we will get another price hike on cultists

Because then csm would become nearly playable for CP tax!

I've heard a rumor somewhere that the normal CSM will be able to pick up the new big gun in normal CSM squad, and that it is a heavy 8 s5 -1 AP weapon.

Heavy 8!!? Holy cow. Now that would be worth taking a couple basic chaos marines for.

Just to clarify it's from Heavy in FWS shadowspear codex review. He responded to a question saying that CSM are not really supposed to get much from the shadowspear box because vigilus 2 is almost all about them. And then he said that, for exemple, there is a new Heavy8 S5 gun coming for 20 pts. But he doesn't want to reveal much. You can check the video if you want but it's in french.

Here is the vid : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJsudu1bgE8

I am really hoping that Vigilus 2 isn't going to be CSM Dex 1.5 and is instead like the Kauyon book was for Tau Empire: an optional way of getting the updates plus something else.

Thanks Whitedog. My French isn’t very good. I’ll wait for the book.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:

 Khornate25 wrote:
Gonna be honest. I am disappointed with this release. The cost of the box plus the content of the CSM part... This is Dark Vengeance all over again. Cool sculpts with poor rules and stats compared to the Imperium side. I'm out of this. GW has diaappointed me for the last time.

The good thing is though, points and rules can change. So if the new sculpts are good then at some stage the rules can be good for them too. Not to mention a small point drop for the Obliterators would make them ace, and they did point drops for the Space Marine and DG codexes when they dropped after Dark Imperium's release.

Just one problem, csm are like tacticals, just bad. Since well the whole 8th and even before, and whilest you were able to customize them before with marks, melee+bolter + BP now you are not anymore.

So you really, honestly believe that that's how it's supposed to work? As if that datasheet from the box is meant to replace the current CSM squad one. Dude.

How are Abaddon's stats in the current edition of 40k? Is there any indication or rumor that they'll change with the new model? I'd doubt it as he doesn't seem to be undergoing a big fluff change unlike Marneus SuperPrimarisizeMe Calgar but I figured I'd ask.

Kendo wrote:
Heavy 8!!? Holy cow. Now that would be worth taking a couple basic chaos marines for.

Expect it to be short-ranged though, since all gatling weapons are: Onslaught-, Punisher- and Taurox Gatling Cannons (and Assault Cannons) are all 24".
The Heavy Onslaught GC is 30", but that gun is bigger than a Primaris Marine.

For 20 points, assuming 24" range as well, it's essentially an improved Assault Cannons: 4 pts cheaper and 2 extra shots, but at -1 strength.
The cynical part of me thinks that it's too good for CSM, so I'm expecting the "Chaos GC" to have 18" range, but hoping for 24".