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2019/03/10 18:03:38
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
warboss wrote: How are Abaddon's stats in the current edition of 40k? Is there any indication or rumor that they'll change with the new model? I'd doubt it as he doesn't seem to be undergoing a big fluff change unlike Marneus SuperPrimarisizeMe Calgar but I figured I'd ask.
A 240pts Chapter master in terminator armour with a ton of attacks, basically. From what I can tell he's pretty beefy, but I've not played with or versus him yet
2019/03/10 18:12:54
Subject: Re:Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
For everyone awaiting more news on Abaddon, we’re happy to announce that you can own him for yourself soon! The Warmaster will be available to pre-order before the end of the month.
Loads of the new Khorne releases will be usable in your Warhammer 40,000 Chaos army, with Vigilus Ablaze providing new rules for Skulltaker and the Bloodmaster, as well as the Skull Altar. Combined with the Daemonkin from Shadowspear, you’ll be able to make some seriously brutal armies.
We’ll be previewing what the future holds for Khorne all throughout next week – so make sure to check back tomorrow! In the meantime, let us know what you’re looking forward to most on the Warhammer 40,000 and Warhammer Age of Sigmar Facebook pages.
We have have maybe new bikes and now maybe new 'zerkers???
Would be amazing if we got new terminators, new bikes, new havoks and new 'zerkers. (In addition to what we already have.) In other words I should hold my breath (but a man can dream).
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2019/03/10 18:34:45
For everyone awaiting more news on Abaddon, we’re happy to announce that you can own him for yourself soon! The Warmaster will be available to pre-order before the end of the month.
Loads of the new Khorne releases will be usable in your Warhammer 40,000 Chaos army, with Vigilus Ablaze providing new rules for Skulltaker and the Bloodmaster, as well as the Skull Altar. Combined with the Daemonkin from Shadowspear, you’ll be able to make some seriously brutal armies.
We’ll be previewing what the future holds for Khorne all throughout next week – so make sure to check back tomorrow! In the meantime, let us know what you’re looking forward to most on the Warhammer 40,000 and Warhammer Age of Sigmar Facebook pages.
warboss wrote: How are Abaddon's stats in the current edition of 40k? Is there any indication or rumor that they'll change with the new model? I'd doubt it as he doesn't seem to be undergoing a big fluff change unlike Marneus SuperPrimarisizeMe Calgar but I figured I'd ask.
A 240pts Chapter master in terminator armour with a ton of attacks, basically. From what I can tell he's pretty beefy, but I've not played with or versus him yet
Aye. He's pretty beefy (lots of mid hitting attacks, fairly durable with termie armour, 4++ and halves damage) and a decent commander too (adds command points, buffs moral and provides re-rolls). I'd say he could use some tweaking with the type of his damage output (some form of mortal wound dealing from his daemon sword ideally) and maybe a different WL trait but doesn't need any major changes.
- 10,000 pts CSM
2019/03/10 19:32:17
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
ceorron wrote: We have have maybe new bikes and now maybe new 'zerkers???
Would be amazing if we got new terminators, new bikes, new havoks and new 'zerkers. (In addition to what we already have.) In other words I should hold my breath (but a man can dream).
I would say that those berzerkers look exactly like the components of the current ones. Only, you know, better proportions.
So I wouldn't hold my breath.
2019/03/10 19:45:05
Subject: Re:Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Khornate25 wrote: Gonna be honest. I am disappointed with this release. The cost of the box plus the content of the CSM part... This is Dark Vengeance all over again. Cool sculpts with poor rules and stats compared to the Imperium side. I'm out of this. GW has diaappointed me for the last time.
The good thing is though, points and rules can change. So if the new sculpts are good then at some stage the rules can be good for them too. Not to mention a small point drop for the Obliterators would make them ace, and they did point drops for the Space Marine and DG codexes when they dropped after Dark Imperium's release.
Just one problem, csm are like tacticals, just bad. Since well the whole 8th and even before, and whilest you were able to customize them before with marks, melee+bolter + BP now you are not anymore.
So you really, honestly believe that that's how it's supposed to work? As if that datasheet from the box is meant to replace the current CSM squad one. Dude.
No, read again, i stated before, where csm had these abilities.
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
2019/03/10 19:59:06
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Not Online!!! wrote: Since well the whole 8th and even before, and whilest you were able to customize them before with marks, melee+bolter + BP now you are not anymore.
So you really, honestly believe that that's how it's supposed to work? As if that datasheet from the box is meant to replace the current CSM squad one. Dude.
No, read again, i stated before, where csm had these abilities.
What I am reading there is that you claim that CSM squads are no longer customizable. What part did I misread?
2019/03/10 20:43:07
Subject: Re:Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Not Online!!! wrote: Since well the whole 8th and even before, and whilest you were able to customize them before with marks, melee+bolter + BP now you are not anymore.
So you really, honestly believe that that's how it's supposed to work? As if that datasheet from the box is meant to replace the current CSM squad one. Dude.
No, read again, i stated before, where csm had these abilities.
What I am reading there is that you claim that CSM squads are no longer customizable. What part did I misread?
Since 8th edition, i never stated the box squad would become the standard csm squad.
I just pointed out that compared to older editions they lost the only thing they had counting for them.
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
2019/03/10 21:04:10
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
spiralingcadaver wrote: The berserker banner looks new, but the rest of the armor looks like they're trying their damnedest to make the 3rd edition berserkers look current.
The possessed look they have is different than the models, though, yes? It's been ages since they've had pistols IIRC.
Well, that art is already quite old, so I wouldn't read to much into it.
2019/03/10 21:34:08
Subject: Re:Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Not Online!!! wrote: Since 8th edition, i never stated the box squad would become the standard csm squad.
I just pointed out that compared to older editions they lost the only thing they had counting for them.
Ah, now I get it. I read it as if it was compared to previous editions as well as 8th edition. You're simply saying that you can no longer have both chainsword and boltgun on the same guy. Yeah, that's a shame. Although that'd make them way better than regular tacticals, wouldn't it? Anyhow, clearly off topic now, sorry.
2019/03/10 21:39:23
Subject: Re:Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Not Online!!! wrote: Since 8th edition, i never stated the box squad would become the standard csm squad.
I just pointed out that compared to older editions they lost the only thing they had counting for them.
Ah, now I get it. I read it as if it was compared to previous editions as well as 8th edition. You're simply saying that you can no longer have both chainsword and boltgun on the same guy. Yeah, that's a shame. Although that'd make them way better than regular tacticals, wouldn't it? Anyhow, clearly off topic now, sorry.
Debatable, was also that way previous for the same cost, the models are great however, just wish there would've been a full Set of either bolter or chainsword marines instead of that misch masch.
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
2019/03/10 21:58:20
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
warboss wrote: How are Abaddon's stats in the current edition of 40k? Is there any indication or rumor that they'll change with the new model? I'd doubt it as he doesn't seem to be undergoing a big fluff change unlike Marneus SuperPrimarisizeMe Calgar but I figured I'd ask.
A 240pts Chapter master in terminator armour with a ton of attacks, basically. From what I can tell he's pretty beefy, but I've not played with or versus him yet
Aye. He's pretty beefy (lots of mid hitting attacks, fairly durable with termie armour, 4++ and halves damage) and a decent commander too (adds command points, buffs moral and provides re-rolls). I'd say he could use some tweaking with the type of his damage output (some form of mortal wound dealing from his daemon sword ideally) and maybe a different WL trait but doesn't need any major changes.
Thanks. My prior experience with him is a few codex versions out of date but he was definitely an underestimated beatstick back in 3rd through 5th.
- 10,000 pts CSM 
