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BrianDavion wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
Is there really any point in arguing over aesthetics? Of course people will have different opinions.
More importantly, will it affect the Chaos list substantially to be considered a good choice. I guess knowing how many wounds it has would be a start. If it's 10+ then I'd argue that it is already DOA.

if it's 9 wounds it'll be an AMAZING HQ to follow a back of maulerfiends up the board

My heart wants it to be 9 wounds, my knowledge that GW doesn't give anything too good to Chaos tells me that he will probably have like 12 wounds.

 Red_Five wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
Is there really any point in arguing over aesthetics? Of course people will have different opinions.
More importantly, will it affect the Chaos list substantially to be considered a good choice. I guess knowing how many wounds it has would be a start. If it's 10+ then I'd argue that it is already DOA.

if it's 9 wounds it'll be an AMAZING HQ to follow a back of maulerfiends up the board

My heart wants it to be 9 wounds, my knowledge that GW doesn't give anything too good to Chaos tells me that he will probably have like 12 wounds.

Maybe they'll give it 8 wounds, for the 8 pointed star?

 fraser1191 wrote:
This guy's super cool and I'm a little in love.

But he makes me a little salty. He makes the marine half look pathetic, specifically the captain.

I know this is the chaos revamp release but I feel a bit too whelmed by the loyalist half

Loyalists will get cool tools - patience.

BrianDavion wrote:

 fraser1191 wrote:
This guy's super cool and I'm a little in love.

But he makes me a little salty. He makes the marine half look pathetic, specifically the captain.

I know this is the chaos revamp release but I feel a bit too whelmed by the loyalist half

Presumably vangaurd marines will get their own release in the near future and you can get it'll include some new toys.

I hope it is a little more fleshed out. For now I'll continue rooting for these chaos releases

Not knowing much about 40k and looking to get into it from this release, whats the importance of 10+ wounds?

Chopxsticks wrote:
Not knowing much about 40k and looking to get into it from this release, whats the importance of 10+ wounds?

Makes a character targettable.

BrianDavion wrote:

 fraser1191 wrote:
This guy's super cool and I'm a little in love.

But he makes me a little salty. He makes the marine half look pathetic, specifically the captain.

I know this is the chaos revamp release but I feel a bit too whelmed by the loyalist half

Presumably vangaurd marines will get their own release in the near future and you can get it'll include some new toys.

We don't want boring, uninspired, redundant Vanguard units. We want something with a "wow!" factor. Something that plucks the gaps in the severely limited Primaris range in options and rules.
CSM players ask for Dark Mechanicus for years and get it. Loyalist get models no-one asked for, instead.

BrianDavion wrote:

 fraser1191 wrote:
This guy's super cool and I'm a little in love.

But he makes me a little salty. He makes the marine half look pathetic, specifically the captain.

I know this is the chaos revamp release but I feel a bit too whelmed by the loyalist half

Presumably vangaurd marines will get their own release in the near future and you can get it'll include some new toys.

Basically anything less than or exactly 9 wounds and the character can only be targeted if closest to the firing unit or by snipers. So if you go above 9 wounds there's a spot where it's actually quite detrimental. Anything less than 14wounds is probably almost always worse than just 9 wounds

This is going to make me buy archmagos scoria as a counts as, been trying to work out a way to use that model

Considering I'm of the belief that Chaos should aspire to look like something off the cover of a Heavy Metal CD case, I think it nails that perfectly. That it also seems to function beyond just a tech priest on a bike is a good bonus.

 Luke_Prowler wrote:
Considering I'm of the belief that Chaos should aspire to look like something off the cover of a Heavy Metal CD case, I think it nails that perfectly. That it also seems to function beyond just a tech priest on a bike is a good bonus.

Yeah this guy is dialing it up to 11.
Its so ostentatious I love it!

 Boss Salvage wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 fraser1191 wrote:
This guy's super cool and I'm a little in love.

But he makes me a little salty. He makes the marine half look pathetic, specifically the captain.

I know this is the chaos revamp release but I feel a bit too whelmed by the loyalist half

Presumably vangaurd marines will get their own release in the near future and you can get it'll include some new toys.

A random conversion? What's that supposed to bring to the conversation?

Really? Ok:

This is a joke suggesting that we could well be in for a primaris captain on drakoth (o the lulz!), poking fun at marine players jealous of chaos frothers getting a big mounted hero, at those who feel Stormcast Eternals are simply space marines in fantasy, at the concept that there should naturally be parity in the releases for SM + CSM (one side gets a big mounted hero, other side should get a big mounted hero), at the drakoth for being a horrible looking monster (in large part because of its head), at the helstalker for sort of being dumb looking too (partially because of its head), and also at GeeDub because I actually almost think we might get a primaris captain on a big lizard (but it's more likely to be a big jetbike).

I think that covers it. I don't post things on accident or just to spam, bro. Sometimes they don't turn out funny or insightful, but they aren't random.

Cred to Crablezworth on the conversion, I'm surprised I couldn't find another one, and he did quite a solid job on this dude.

Any one remember in the last voxcast where Jes said that the spider was one of the body types they went for with the new Demon engines?

Chopxsticks wrote:
Not knowing much about 40k and looking to get into it from this release, whats the importance of 10+ wounds?

When a character's original wound value is below 10, he cannot be targeted by enemy shooting unless he is the closest unit to the enemy. At 10 or above, the character acts like a normal unit and can be targeted regardless of whether he is the closest unit to the enemy or not.

 DanielFM wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 fraser1191 wrote:
This guy's super cool and I'm a little in love.

But he makes me a little salty. He makes the marine half look pathetic, specifically the captain.

I know this is the chaos revamp release but I feel a bit too whelmed by the loyalist half

Presumably vangaurd marines will get their own release in the near future and you can get it'll include some new toys.

We don't want boring, uninspired, redundant Vanguard units. We want something with a "wow!" factor. Something that plucks the gaps in the severely limited Primaris range in options and rules.
CSM players ask for Dark Mechanicus for years and get it. Loyalist get models no-one asked for, instead.

Compare what the Loyal Marines have received since 5th edition to what the Chaos Marines have received since 5th edition. Not counting anything only sold in a box set; not counting anything that is yet to come out; not counting things that both Chaos and Loyalists can both use (like Cypher). Since 5th edition, the Loyal Marines have received 27 new or updated units, compared to Chaos' 12.

Also, Chaos players asked for Dark Mechanicum for years. GW instead gave Imperial players a brand new loyal Mechanicum army (complete with 13 units) and gave Chaos nothing. Not to mention GW gave Imperial players an entire Custodes range, Sisters of Silence, 4 new assassins, 2 new Inquisitors, updated Guard models (including a new Scions sub-faction), Deathwatch (a brand new way to play with existing models and a handful of cool new kits) AND update ranges for the Space Wolves, the Dark Angels and the Blood Angels (which included the spreading out of previously Codex Marines' toys to all the other factions). To counter that, Chaos received new Daemon models (which are shared between 40k and AoS), a small Thousand Sons army and a very nice Deathguard army.

I am pretty sure loyalists are doing just fine. Chaos deserves nice, new things. Some of our most iconic units are like 20 years old.

The days of the Dinobots are over.

Now we see the rise of the Insecticons!

I really, really want to love this new mini. But... that face. The rider's face is goofy, like plastic Chaplain goofy. If there's an alternate head in that kit then he's perfect.

 Boss Salvage wrote:
Really? Ok:

This is a joke suggesting that we could well be in for a primaris captain on drakoth (o the lulz!), poking fun at marine players jealous of chaos frothers getting a big mounted hero, at those who feel Stormcast Eternals are simply space marines in fantasy, at the concept that there should naturally be parity in the releases for SM + CSM (one side gets a big mounted hero, other side should get a big mounted hero), at the drakoth for being a horrible looking monster (in large part because of its head), at the helstalker for sort of being dumb looking too (partially because of its head), and also at GeeDub because I actually almost think we might get a primaris captain on a big lizard (but it's more likely to be a big jetbike).

I think that covers it. I don't post things on accident or just to spam, bro. Sometimes they don't turn out funny or insightful, but they aren't random.

Cred to Crablezworth on the conversion, I'm surprised I couldn't find another one, and he did quite a solid job on this dude.

Thanks for the explanation. Very little of that came across from your post. And yeah, it hardly was funny or insightful.

I can speak only for myself, but I don't ask for parity. I ask for GW to put as much effort and creativity in CSM and Primaris releases. The lack of interest for Vanguard marines should teach them a lesson. I didn't ask for a Captain mounted on a big beast, either; the strawman is quite ridiculous. We asked for exciting Primaris models. Reavers with a new helmet, Primaris characters with ponchos and bizarre floating Devastators hardly fit into that.
Further Oldmarine-to-Primaris character conversions (if GW is that allergic to give us more than 1 Primarch Vs 2 and s half Chaotic Primarchs) would fit the bill imho. Primaris Lysander? Azrael? Dante? Ragnar Blackmane? Pure awesome, without needing to jump the shark.

So basically run this guy or two up with Maulerfiends and Blood Slaughterers and Heldrakes, and keep Abigail camped in the back with shooting ones.

More "fun" than competitive but I think there could be a good amount of threats in such a list.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
So basically run this guy or two up with Maulerfiends and Blood Slaughterers and Heldrakes, and keep Abigail camped in the back with shooting ones.

More "fun" than competitive but I think there could be a good amount of threats in such a list.

could be although I think you're wasting abby if he's not running into Melee myself

Me when I see everyone hating on the Warpsmith Spider Rider guy.

BrianDavion wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
So basically run this guy or two up with Maulerfiends and Blood Slaughterers and Heldrakes, and keep Abigail camped in the back with shooting ones.

More "fun" than competitive but I think there could be a good amount of threats in such a list.

could be although I think you're wasting abby if he's not running into Melee myself

I mean it would probably be cheaper to just do another spider guy and a Lord, but Abigail would make screening Cultists immune to Morale and give insane overwatch. The additional CP is a nice bonus too.

Actually you can run a Biker Lord in that first scenario too with the Spider dudes. Lasherfiends would land an insane number of hits.

Boss Salvage wrote:

Sotahullu wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:
The only thing that looks funny to me is the pintle weapon... I think I want to put it on his mechadendrite rig.

Exactly my thought. Love everything but the weapon mount.

Actually, I have to agree here that weapon mount is weird.

100% fine with it myself, I figure it's riding the hump of the mount and not necessarily being engaged right now, plus adds to the "I'mma socket this horrific weapon on right here because I'm a daemon engineer lulz" / "symmetry is for lapdogs" flavor.

My issue is for a Dark Mechanicum -ish guy... a conventionally mounted and fired pintle weapon, even one being fired by his mechdendrite pulling the trigger just seems weird. The location is kinda weird and there are easily a good number of alternatives that would work better. They could mount it to the mechandrite harness directly, or mount it as to the spider things head, or have it fired from a tail like the Brass Scorpion. My guess is that someone really wanted to make clear the Lord riding it was firing that gun, presumably to justify whatever superior BS it has over other Daemon Engines.

Crimson wrote:

 Darth Bob wrote:
Yeah, I don't get how anyone can not like this monstrosity. It's probably the most "Chaos" Chaos model that GW has put out in years.

It is because there is a significant contingent of Chaos Marine players who don't actually want Chaos in their Chaos Marines. They just want to play loyalist marines that are called Chaos Marines.

I think that mischaracterizes the reality a bit. The lore paints CSM as being far more diverse than our rules presently allow. Within Chaos you have those that have fully embraced one of the big 4 gods... you have Heresy era legionaries that have some semblance of their old heirarchies and have done their best to swear off the ruinous powers... you have the renegade loyalist chapters... and you have particular groups that have embraced chaos wholly but undividedly... In the lore they have differences in what their forces look like and what sort of weapons and wargear they use, the rules don't really reflect that, models like this while very awesome and have me excited don't really reflect some of those flavors. For example, in the lore there is schism within the Iron Warriors between those that would and wouldn't want to use daemons/daemon engines/sorcerery... In the lore, they are Chaos Marines, however the ability to represent them is severely limited. This new model, the obliterators, the other daemon engines, the possessed are exactly what this group has sworn off. Then you have groups like Alpha Legion that actively steal Imperial weaponry, undermine and subvert the imperium from with, and continue to fight with whatever organization they've had for some time. It would be very difficult for Alpha Legion to do many of the things they do in the lore with Daemon Engines and all the overtly very chaos units. They are Chaos Space Marines, and units like Obliterators, Possessed, the daemon engines etc don't do as much to represent them. That's before you get to Renegades that in the lore are explicitly using certain weapons they only have because they were at one time loyalists in the 41st millennium... units like these really don't do much to represent them. This stuff we're getting now, is important to giving the undivided chaos a distinct chaos flavor to distinguish it more from the Deathguard, Thousand sons, and the inevitable World Eaters and Emperor's Children. However the CSM that do less to embrace chaos are prominent enough they deserve to eventually be represented more too. Maybe that's whenever Traitor Guard happen? -Or maybe its enough to say they should use more from FW models, but either way there should be more acknowledgement.

 aka_mythos wrote:

Boss Salvage wrote:

Sotahullu wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:
The only thing that looks funny to me is the pintle weapon... I think I want to put it on his mechadendrite rig.

Exactly my thought. Love everything but the weapon mount.

Actually, I have to agree here that weapon mount is weird.

100% fine with it myself, I figure it's riding the hump of the mount and not necessarily being engaged right now, plus adds to the "I'mma socket this horrific weapon on right here because I'm a daemon engineer lulz" / "symmetry is for lapdogs" flavor.

My issue is for a Dark Mechanicum -ish guy... a conventionally mounted and fired pintle weapon, even one being fired by his mechdendrite pulling the trigger just seems weird. The location is kinda weird and there are easily a good number of alternatives that would work better. They could mount it to the mechandrite harness directly, or mount it as to the spider things head, or have it fired from a tail like the Brass Scorpion. My guess is that someone really wanted to make clear the Lord riding it was firing that gun, presumably to justify whatever superior BS it has over other Daemon Engines.

But it looks like it already has a weapon in its tail, and some sort of weapon is clearly in its mouth. It 'needed' an extra weapon and something else for the Rider to be doing i guess.

 aka_mythos wrote:

Boss Salvage wrote:

Sotahullu wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:
The only thing that looks funny to me is the pintle weapon... I think I want to put it on his mechadendrite rig.

Exactly my thought. Love everything but the weapon mount.

Actually, I have to agree here that weapon mount is weird.

100% fine with it myself, I figure it's riding the hump of the mount and not necessarily being engaged right now, plus adds to the "I'mma socket this horrific weapon on right here because I'm a daemon engineer lulz" / "symmetry is for lapdogs" flavor.

My issue is for a Dark Mechanicum -ish guy... a conventionally mounted and fired pintle weapon, even one being fired by his mechdendrite pulling the trigger just seems weird. The location is kinda weird and there are easily a good number of alternatives that would work better. They could mount it to the mechandrite harness directly, or mount it as to the spider things head, or have it fired from a tail like the Brass Scorpion. My guess is that someone really wanted to make clear the Lord riding it was firing that gun, presumably to justify whatever superior BS it has over other Daemon Engines.

It's a daemon engine in plastic, seems ripe for conversions to put the gun wherever you like.

Dark mechanicus guy is amazing. I will be buying three of them. Maybe four.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:

Boss Salvage wrote:

Sotahullu wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:
The only thing that looks funny to me is the pintle weapon... I think I want to put it on his mechadendrite rig.

Exactly my thought. Love everything but the weapon mount.

Actually, I have to agree here that weapon mount is weird.

100% fine with it myself, I figure it's riding the hump of the mount and not necessarily being engaged right now, plus adds to the "I'mma socket this horrific weapon on right here because I'm a daemon engineer lulz" / "symmetry is for lapdogs" flavor.

My issue is for a Dark Mechanicum -ish guy... a conventionally mounted and fired pintle weapon, even one being fired by his mechdendrite pulling the trigger just seems weird. The location is kinda weird and there are easily a good number of alternatives that would work better. They could mount it to the mechandrite harness directly, or mount it as to the spider things head, or have it fired from a tail like the Brass Scorpion. My guess is that someone really wanted to make clear the Lord riding it was firing that gun, presumably to justify whatever superior BS it has over other Daemon Engines.

But it looks like it already has a weapon in its tail, and some sort of weapon is clearly in its mouth. It 'needed' an extra weapon and something else for the Rider to be doing i guess.

Oiii ya git, there's neva enouf dakka!

 Prometheum5 wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:

Boss Salvage wrote:

Sotahullu wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:
The only thing that looks funny to me is the pintle weapon... I think I want to put it on his mechadendrite rig.

Exactly my thought. Love everything but the weapon mount.

Actually, I have to agree here that weapon mount is weird.

100% fine with it myself, I figure it's riding the hump of the mount and not necessarily being engaged right now, plus adds to the "I'mma socket this horrific weapon on right here because I'm a daemon engineer lulz" / "symmetry is for lapdogs" flavor.

My issue is for a Dark Mechanicum -ish guy... a conventionally mounted and fired pintle weapon, even one being fired by his mechdendrite pulling the trigger just seems weird. The location is kinda weird and there are easily a good number of alternatives that would work better. They could mount it to the mechandrite harness directly, or mount it as to the spider things head, or have it fired from a tail like the Brass Scorpion. My guess is that someone really wanted to make clear the Lord riding it was firing that gun, presumably to justify whatever superior BS it has over other Daemon Engines.

It's a daemon engine in plastic, seems ripe for conversions to put the gun wherever you like.

Definitely. Its a good model, just minor composition changes


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 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

But it looks like it already has a weapon in its tail, and some sort of weapon is clearly in its mouth. It 'needed' an extra weapon and something else for the Rider to be doing i guess.

Its tail is a long pointed thing going out the back... I'm not saying anyone place to mount it is best, I just think from a composition stand point it aesthetically looks off being where it is, mounted the way it is.

The pictured rules says it has an Autocannon and a Baleflamer... the Baleflamer is probably what's in its mouth... that makes the shown option to mount a baleflamer on its back an interesting option too... Although mounting double baleflamers kind makes what's likely a better BS for the rider moot.

GW's design team is going for a "heavily" corrupted look for Chaos now. So, I don't have a problem with the new Daemon Engines, their much better designed that the older ones. The riders mostly fine but that mask needs to be modded or the head replaced. Snaggle-toothed is not a good look.

Chopxsticks wrote:
Not knowing much about 40k and looking to get into it from this release, whats the importance of 10+ wounds?

Some people take this to mean the end of the world, Oh "Woe is me" but as a person who plays Tyranids, it's not a problem so long as the model has access to an invulnerable save, which this model will. Fun fact, Mark of Slaneesh this guy for a further FNP roll. He'll be fine.

I guess just everyone on this forum likes to which and moan about everything, all the time. This awesome new model is no different, I guess. Lots of doom and gloom before we've even seen its full rules, points and had a chance to play it on the table. Smh.