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There will be 3 books (the third will be Vigilus Reborn). Dorn will be the returned Primarch.

This is just a guess, but I’m putting my money on it.

Plot twist: Vigilus 2 is just a recap of what happens during the last 80 days. It ends with Abaddon making planet fall, and the book fades to black. The story is left on a cliff hanger, in old GW fashion, and neither side has to lose.

We need to cut GW some slack here.

They actually went out of their way to bomb the entire WHFB world and establish a new continuity.

Also if 5 or even 10 years ago anyone would have suggested that that the primarchs would return as playable units, that person would have been laughted at.

GW is very well able to move the story if they want.

GaroRobe wrote:
Plot twist: Vigilus 2 is just a recap of what happens during the last 80 days. It ends with Abaddon making planet fall, and the book fades to black. The story is left on a cliff hanger, in old GW fashion, and neither side has to lose.

I think Chaos needs to win on some level, that way GW can do more interesting things with the Imperium Obscurus as it is completely cut off from the Galactic east. The Imperium can always take Vigilus back in a future story.

 Stormonu wrote:
There will be 3 books (the third will be Vigilus Reborn). Dorn will be the returned Primarch.

This is just a guess, but I’m putting my money on it.

No offense to Dorn, but I hope if another Imperial Primarch returns it will be one of the more interesting ones. Jonson, Russ, Khan etc. We already have generic stoic dude with Guilliman.

 Stormonu wrote:
There will be 3 books (the third will be Vigilus Reborn). Dorn will be the returned Primarch.

This is just a guess, but I’m putting my money on it.

Please don't play with my feelings. I would preorder Dorn even if it was a turd painted yellow.


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 Nostromodamus wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
There will be 3 books (the third will be Vigilus Reborn). Dorn will be the returned Primarch.

This is just a guess, but I’m putting my money on it.

No offense to Dorn, but I hope if another Imperial Primarch returns it will be one of the more interesting ones. Jonson, Russ, Khan etc. We already have generic stoic dude with Guilliman.

Guilliman is positive, balanced stoic. Dorn is excessively righteous, self-penance addicted, never walk a step back. He could return with a Black Templar fanatic twist
He would be as generic as GW wanted.
Johnson? Hooded plasma guy.
Khan? Giant bike guy.
Russ? Berserk Viking guy. With dogs.
If they don't aim for exaggerating them, they would be no more innovative than Dorn.

 warboss wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/03/14/mar-14-war-zone-vigilus-abaddon-vs-calgargw-homepage-post-2/

It's interesting... I think the model for Abby looks incredible but the artwork on this page is mediocre whereas with Primarneus Calgar the painting looks great but the new model is meh.

Spoiler:

Its because Calgar was done by the great Paul Dantion (I assume by style) and Abby was not.

Dante could easily be killed off if GW wanna do something out the box. Calgar ain't dying but Dante could die

Personally, I've been going with Corax as the next potential Loyalist Primarch to return.

Guilliman's rebuilding the mechanisms of the Imperium...Corax? Corax would potentially be the one leading a new phase of war.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Personally, I've been going with Corax as the next potential Loyalist Primarch to return.

Guilliman's rebuilding the mechanisms of the Imperium...Corax? Corax would potentially be the one leading a new phase of war.

Corax's proclivity for guerrilla warfare makes him ripe for leading some sort of resistance in an isolated pocket of the Imperium... Guilliman 'discovering' Corax after one of them reconnects that area with the rest of the Imperium.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
My bet, the Imperium loses Vigilus. Commander Dante is Rubicon'd into a Primaris Marine (in Phobos Armor because it is speaker). He becomes regent of Imperium Nihilus. The Imperium fights to retake Vigilus next year with Dante at the Nihilus army's head.

Dante is over 1,500 years. In the recently released novel, he is showing signs of age and wear. I don't think he'd take the risk of the the difficult and dangerous process to become a Primaris. My guess he is sacrificing himself somewhere along the unfolding story, then somehow merges with The Sanguinor, who in the novel often shows himself to Dante, to be reborn as the essence of Sanguinus (and as a spectacular model, imagine a flying/floating Sanguinor with the level of detail and size of Guilliman).

 aka_mythos wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Personally, I've been going with Corax as the next potential Loyalist Primarch to return.

Guilliman's rebuilding the mechanisms of the Imperium...Corax? Corax would potentially be the one leading a new phase of war.

Corax's proclivity for guerrilla warfare makes him ripe for leading some sort of resistance in an isolated pocket of the Imperium... Guilliman 'discovering' Corax after one of them reconnects that area with the rest of the Imperium.

Corax could also be a natural foil to Cawl, given that Corax is also a brilliant scientist.

Anyone notice the Mauler and Forgefiends are no longer available on the GW website? I wonder if the spider is replacing both of them or if they have more engines coming.

 stahly wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
My bet, the Imperium loses Vigilus. Commander Dante is Rubicon'd into a Primaris Marine (in Phobos Armor because it is speaker). He becomes regent of Imperium Nihilus. The Imperium fights to retake Vigilus next year with Dante at the Nihilus army's head.

Dante is over 1,500 years. In the recently released novel, he is showing signs of age and wear. I don't think he'd take the risk of the the difficult and dangerous process to become a Primaris. My guess he is sacrificing himself somewhere along the unfolding story, then somehow merges with The Sanguinor, who in the novel often shows himself to Dante, to be reborn as the essence of Sanguinus (and as a spectacular model, imagine a flying/floating Sanguinor with the level of detail and size of Guilliman).

I still think they will essentially use the Sanguinor to reignite life in Sanguinius' corpse.


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 DanielFM wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
There will be 3 books (the third will be Vigilus Reborn). Dorn will be the returned Primarch.

This is just a guess, but I’m putting my money on it.

Please don't play with my feelings. I would preorder Dorn even if it was a turd painted yellow.


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 Nostromodamus wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
There will be 3 books (the third will be Vigilus Reborn). Dorn will be the returned Primarch.

This is just a guess, but I’m putting my money on it.

No offense to Dorn, but I hope if another Imperial Primarch returns it will be one of the more interesting ones. Jonson, Russ, Khan etc. We already have generic stoic dude with Guilliman.

Guilliman is positive, balanced stoic. Dorn is excessively righteous, self-penance addicted, never walk a step back. He could return with a Black Templar fanatic twist
He would be as generic as GW wanted.
Johnson? Hooded plasma guy.
Khan? Giant bike guy.
Russ? Berserk Viking guy. With dogs.
If they don't aim for exaggerating them, they would be no more innovative than Dorn.

If Dorn did come back, I think he would have to be more righteous and militant than Guilliman, to help differentiate the two characters. Dorn leading the charge with a horde of fanatical Black Templar marines sounds perfect.

 DrGiggles wrote:
Anyone notice the Mauler and Forgefiends are no longer available on the GW website? I wonder if the spider is replacing both of them or if they have more engines coming.

Probably reboxing.

I remember a while back a reference to primarch coming back but not in a way expected or leading who they would be expected to.

So since then and the stories Master of Mankind and The Board is Set, I have expected a relaunch of the Legion of the Damned being lead by Order Daemon Primarch Ferrus Manus.

 Stormonu wrote:
There will be 3 books (the third will be Vigilus Reborn). Dorn will be the returned Primarch.

This is just a guess, but I’m putting my money on it.

No, there won't be a third book. GW clearly announced that there will only be two books for vigilus.

 Seneca wrote:
GW clearly announced that there will only be two books for vigilus.

Nothing stops a new non-Vigilis centered book from continuing the story, however. So GW gets to "claim" there will only be 2 books for Vigilis, but then surprise us with a conclusion to the story that releases an important model or set of models.

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I mean, unless Vigilus gets blown up (which I personally hope is the case) then a campaign returning to Vigilus at some point seems a safe bet.

And please, for the love of Gork, do -not- bring sanguinius back. Him returning is one of the lamest plot points I can imagine. That's obviously my own opinion so people are free to disagree but I can't imagine many non-BA players being remotely thrilled about that development.

 stahly wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
My bet, the Imperium loses Vigilus. Commander Dante is Rubicon'd into a Primaris Marine (in Phobos Armor because it is speaker). He becomes regent of Imperium Nihilus. The Imperium fights to retake Vigilus next year with Dante at the Nihilus army's head.

Dante is over 1,500 years. In the recently released novel, he is showing signs of age and wear. I don't think he'd take the risk of the the difficult and dangerous process to become a Primaris. My guess he is sacrificing himself somewhere along the unfolding story, then somehow merges with The Sanguinor, who in the novel often shows himself to Dante, to be reborn as the essence of Sanguinus (and as a spectacular model, imagine a flying/floating Sanguinor with the level of detail and size of Guilliman).

The 'age and wear' isn't a factor due to events of the novel (because vampire) and Roboute basically tasks him with regent-like duties at the end. I'd definitely expect a more Calgar-style primaris transition than having him poke-evolve to Blood Messiah.

PiñaColada wrote:
And please, for the love of Gork, do -not- bring sanguinius back. Him returning is one of the lamest plot points I can imagine. That's obviously my own opinion so people are free to disagree but I can't imagine many non-BA players being remotely thrilled about that development.

Agreed, although I'd be down with a plot thread that mirrors the end of the Heresy

As-in Dante and the BAs show up on Vigilis, Dante faces off against Abaddon and through their fight, Dante temporarily succumbs to the Black Rage (so he THINKS he is Sanguinius facing off against Horus).
Somewhere along the lines Abby strikes down Dante, just as Guilliman arrives. Abby and Guilly now face off as Guilly's lackeys take Dante's body to safety.

Dante isn't killed, but is injured to the point that only a Primaris upgrade will save him (hint hint, new model).

This could even happen on the Vengeful Spirit. Like history repeating itself, but this time with a different outcome (because neither Abby or Gilly will die)

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I just want Angron and Fulgrim. I'd also happily accept Dorn as the only Imperium Primarch that I'd buy. But beyond that...no interest in Imperium Primarchs. Would also take the other Daemon Primarchs too; but not as important as Angron and Fulgrim.

 Galef wrote:

 Seneca wrote:
GW clearly announced that there will only be two books for vigilus.

Nothing stops a new non-Vigilis centered book from continuing the story, however. So GW gets to "claim" there will only be 2 books for Vigilis, but then surprise us with a conclusion to the story that releases an important model or set of models.

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Yeah, take a look at your Vigilus book, it's not titled "War for Vigilus: Vigilus defiant" it's titled "Imperium Nihlus: Vigilus Defiant"

Makes me think GW's planning a long series of campaign books over Imperium Nihlus. If this is the case we can expect to see blood angels VERY prominantly

 DrGiggles wrote:
Anyone notice the Mauler and Forgefiends are no longer available on the GW website? I wonder if the spider is replacing both of them or if they have more engines coming.

I still see it on the website just fine. The way that it was described to me is...

When GW's inventory system detects that it is low on something, it will flag it appropriately as either 'out of stock', 'no longer available', or remove it from the website completely. These are all things that are in place to make sure that nobody can buy a product that doesn't exist. A lot of this is automated, and then later on a person goes along, reviews the flags, fixes any errors, and continues on their way.

It used to be that movement on the GW website was indicative of new kits coming out or somesuch, but nowadays that's not a hint any more. It's just an inventory system playing with people's feelings.

The primarchs that Hastings originally mentioned were Magnus, Angron, Mortarion, Russ, and Guilliman. So far three of those have arrived. There may be some coming that aren't on the list, but personally I'm gonna bet on either Russ or Angron being next.

drbored wrote:

 DrGiggles wrote:
Anyone notice the Mauler and Forgefiends are no longer available on the GW website? I wonder if the spider is replacing both of them or if they have more engines coming.

I still see it on the website just fine. The way that it was described to me is...

When GW's inventory system detects that it is low on something, it will flag it appropriately as either 'out of stock', 'no longer available', or remove it from the website completely. These are all things that are in place to make sure that nobody can buy a product that doesn't exist. A lot of this is automated, and then later on a person goes along, reviews the flags, fixes any errors, and continues on their way.

It used to be that movement on the GW website was indicative of new kits coming out or somesuch, but nowadays that's not a hint any more. It's just an inventory system playing with people's feelings.

So what you're saying is that 'Out of Stock' and 'No Longer Available' mean the exact same thing? Then what's the point?

Some product goes 'No Longer Available' when it is being reboxed because it will receive a new product code, hence making it a 'new' product. The problem there is that it looks like the kits in question have the new boxes, so they either are being discontinued or there is some other reason that the kits will need a new product code to differentiate them from the old.

I don't care about loyalist Primarchs.

I'll be happy if the story doesn't end with good guy lame ass RG clone flying in and saving the day and Abby going all "I'll get you next time Gadget"..
Make the bad guy positively terrifying. Make the Imperium actually tremble in fear instead of using the bad guys to show us how "cool" blue coloured marines are.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Galef wrote:

 Seneca wrote:
GW clearly announced that there will only be two books for vigilus.

Nothing stops a new non-Vigilis centered book from continuing the story, however. So GW gets to "claim" there will only be 2 books for Vigilis, but then surprise us with a conclusion to the story that releases an important model or set of models.

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Yeah, take a look at your Vigilus book, it's not titled "War for Vigilus: Vigilus defiant" it's titled "Imperium Nihlus: Vigilus Defiant"

Makes me think GW's planning a long series of campaign books over Imperium Nihlus. If this is the case we can expect to see blood angels VERY prominantly

Also check page 91 of the first book. Vigilus has underground Necron pylons that are pointing at Sangua Terra in Imperium Sanctus. Gw could be planning to bounce between both sides of the rift before this plotline is done.
Especially given the hints in this Vigilus short story. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/03/01/tales-from-vigilus-10-the-messengergw-homepage-post-4/

He’s right they did say it’s s two part book series.

They also said there would be several campaign book sets and this is the first of them.
So could be more Nihilis, different planets, different places, who knows.
I think maybe they’ll come back to Nihilis/Vigilus. But not necessarily the next one..

Are there any Black Legion color schemes other than... Black?

Would doing Sons of Horus or Luna Wolves paint be reasonable? How about something else entirely like all bronze or something?