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 ph34r wrote:
Are there any Black Legion color schemes other than... Black?

Would doing Sons of Horus or Luna Wolves paint be reasonable? How about something else entirely like all bronze or something?

No all are mostly black since abbadoff has taken over, except cult marines which will also field painted shoulders according to their god /legion of origin if they have joined the bl.

That said, probably depends on the leader of the specific leader.

 ph34r wrote:
Are there any Black Legion color schemes other than... Black?

Would doing Sons of Horus or Luna Wolves paint be reasonable? How about something else entirely like all bronze or something?

Well, the Black is part of their thing. Covering their shame. Luna Wolves or Sons of Horus would probably be frowned upon as they kinda pushed that part of their existence away.

But a BL themed army right after the name change still sporting the Sons’ colors would be cool. Or a separate Sons’ warband using BL rules that refuses to accept Abaddon as their leader. A BL warband painted mostly bronze with black details would look pretty awesome too.

 ph34r wrote:
Are there any Black Legion color schemes other than... Black?

Would doing Sons of Horus or Luna Wolves paint be reasonable? How about something else entirely like all bronze or something?

Others may have a better grasp on the background than me, but remember that the Black Legion is not really an organized group. Its an accumulation of anti-Imperial forces that more or less follow along with Abbadon's plans. So, yes, some were Sons of Horus, and some were Word Bearers, but there's Death Guard in there and Night Lords and various Renegade marines as well.

So my take is that the Black Legion is more like the Deathwatch than its own chapter with coordinated makings and the like. Do what you want.

I may personally go with black shoulder pads and some color on the rest of the armor, or something along those lines.

Occasionally you see cult troops (e.g. Rubricae) in different colours: ADB's Black Legion novel mentions all black and gold, blue with a black shoulder, and red with black shoulders, all as viable options for BL Rubricae. The old studio army in 3rd edition days had Berzerkers with red heads and shoulders on black armour.

By and large though the Black Legion are...well, black. Their colour scheme is actually a big part of their identity, not even taking into account that they're called the "Black" Legion. Whatever option you take should have something linking it back to the greater whole, otherwise you're not really playing Black Legion, you're just playing their allies. At the end of the day they're your dudes though, so do whatever makes you happy

There was the old Dornian Heresy alternative lore project in which the loyal and traitor legions are flipped, and the Imperial fists had become the black legion instead. They were yellow with black trim. Looks really rad.

That is cool armor. White or the sons of horus teal might look good if trimmed black all over the ornamentation.

 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
There was the old Dornian Heresy alternative lore project in which the loyal and traitor legions are flipped, and the Imperial fists had become the black legion instead. They were yellow with black trim. Looks really rad.

That is pretty sweet, I may try that.

 drazz wrote:

 ph34r wrote:
Are there any Black Legion color schemes other than... Black?

Would doing Sons of Horus or Luna Wolves paint be reasonable? How about something else entirely like all bronze or something?

Others may have a better grasp on the background than me, but remember that the Black Legion is not really an organized group. Its an accumulation of anti-Imperial forces that more or less follow along with Abbadon's plans. So, yes, some were Sons of Horus, and some were Word Bearers, but there's Death Guard in there and Night Lords and various Renegade marines as well.

So my take is that the Black Legion is more like the Deathwatch than its own chapter with coordinated makings and the like. Do what you want.

I may personally go with black shoulder pads and some color on the rest of the armor, or something along those lines.

My boys started at the beginning of 3rd ed so they remain as such-

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WhiteDog wrote:
Calgar is not unecessary now : he is killable.

But they just gave him a new model, so his plot armor is refreshed.
His period of imminent mortality has passed. Even the Dark Imperium novel suggested he had outlived his time and purpose, and the re-appearance of Guilliman diminished him and reminded him that he wasn't adequately keeping up with his duties any longer..
But now that he's gotten a phoenix-like rejuvenation, that's all been swept aside. He can now go falcon punch multiple Avatars.

Valten would like a word, if you please...

We’re the mini-dex’s out this weekend? Are those in Shadowspear? I was already surprised yesterday to see a store showing off their pile of boxes going on sale this weekend because I didn’t realize it was that imminent.

Mini-dexes are only in the box.

 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
There was the old Dornian Heresy alternative lore project in which the loyal and traitor legions are flipped, and the Imperial fists had become the black legion instead. They were yellow with black trim. Looks really rad.

Probably kept the imperial forces from breaking into the Eye of Terror.

So will Doobie be all on his lonesome next week for pre-order, or is this our first Chaos wave?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So will Doobie be all on his lonesome next week for pre-order, or is this our first Chaos wave?

Abbadon is the wave!

 Darkseid wrote:
We need to cut GW some slack here.

They actually went out of their way to bomb the entire WHFB world and establish a new continuity.

Also if 5 or even 10 years ago anyone would have suggested that that the primarchs would return as playable units, that person would have been laughted at.

GW is very well able to move the story if they want.

You call that “cutting them some slack”? I call that “acknowledging that they are much more likely to do that kind of very very bad decision now”.
Any piece of fluff involving more than 1 special character is a bad thing. Any overarching narrative affecting the whole setting is disastrously bad!

Not Online!!! wrote:

 ph34r wrote:
Are there any Black Legion color schemes other than... Black?

Would doing Sons of Horus or Luna Wolves paint be reasonable? How about something else entirely like all bronze or something?

No all are mostly black since abbadoff has taken over, except cult marines which will also field painted shoulders according to their god /legion of origin if they have joined the bl.

That said, probably depends on the leader of the specific leader.

I think its worth adding there are a variety of ways to do Black Legion and while they should be predominantly "black" there are still ways to do black and have other colors showing too.

The easiest is to give them some non-black shoulder pads something that might present identifying marks of your warband. Similarly, you can convert or buy add-ons that have cloth or sculptural elements covering the significant areas of their shoulder pads or portions of their armor, then paint those not black.

You could paint them a not-black color and then gradually layer black wash or ink until its just black enough... but not completely black.

Similarly you paint the armor the color you want and paint them so it appears the black paint has weathered away to reveal their armor's older colors.

Finished building the Chaos side of the Shadowspear boxset. They are beautiful models, even better in person. I can’t really pick a favourite unit, they all look so good. GW keep outdoing themselves every single release.

So every primaris unit thus far has had some kind of alternate weapon option when the regular box comes out.

Here's my conspiracy theory:

Belisarius Cawl has a hard on for bolt and plasma weaponry. Especially plasma weaponry. Here's my predictions for the alt weapon loadouts for the new units:

Infiltrators: Assault 2 bolt carbine type weapon, Strength 4 ap -

Eliminators: Plasma sniper rifle, Strength 7 AP -3, Heavy 1, Target characters. Overcharge for Strength 8 AP -3 Heavy 1 damage 2. No mortal wounds on 6s.

Suppressors: Onslaught Gatling Cannon. Heavy 6, strength 5 AP -1.

Come find me when I'm right guys!

 ultimentra wrote:

Infiltrators: Assault 2 bolt carbine type weapon, Strength 4 ap -

Reivers already have that.

You guys are missing his ultimate end-goal: The Plasma Bolt Rifle!!!

Whilst the other Primaris units in the box might get different loadout options, I kinda doubt that the Eliminators will. They already have three different ammo types.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
You guys are missing his ultimate end-goal: The Plasma Bolt Rifle!!!

Isn't that the Plasma Incinerator?


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 Crimson wrote:
Whilst the other Primaris units in the box might get different loadout options, I kinda doubt that the Eliminators will. They already have three different ammo types.

I could see them getting a Missile Launcher or Lascannon, to be honest.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I could see them getting a Missile Launcher or Lascannon, to be honest.

A sniper missile launcher? Doesn't seem terribly likely...

Bad news on the conversion site of things. The venomcrawler is not big enough to easily fuse him with the soulgrinder torso to create a chaos-drider like being. I'll try to make it work though.

 Symbio Joe wrote:
Bad news on the conversion site of things. The venomcrawler is not big enough to easily fuse him with the soulgrinder torso to create a chaos-drider like being. I'll try to make it work though.

I'm guessing the intent is to keep it as a soul grinder, but would a smaller torso work? I would think maybe the plastic demon prince since it's not that big.

The best possible ending to Vigilius is that while Abaddon and Calgar are locked in the final struggle of the war, a great cackling moon appears in the sky with the face of a leering Ork. Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka and the tech savant Orkimedes have recreated a single orky death star of ole. Suddenly, there is a great green flash and then the ground starts to tremble. A million times a million orks are teleported onto the planet's surface, surrounding the remaining imperial and chaos forces. Vigilius becomes the seat of a new emperor, the great green emperor.

 Crimson wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I could see them getting a Missile Launcher or Lascannon, to be honest.

A sniper missile launcher? Doesn't seem terribly likely...

Not a sniper missile launcher, a concealed positions missile launcher. The Lascannon is more likely anyway, as apparently someone from GW has been watching Mobile Suit Gundam lately.

Laser sniper, Plasma sniper, both would be cool. I'll take either one.

 ScarletRose wrote:

 Symbio Joe wrote:
Bad news on the conversion site of things. The venomcrawler is not big enough to easily fuse him with the soulgrinder torso to create a chaos-drider like being. I'll try to make it work though.

I'm guessing the intent is to keep it as a soul grinder, but would a smaller torso work? I would think maybe the plastic demon prince since it's not that big.

It could be the better solution considering the size, but I'd have to fix the hunched over pose of the demon prince. Thx for the input I will stare at plastic now some more.

The Lasplasma Bolt Sniper Missile Launcher!