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**Slayer-Fan123**

Wonder how they're gonna tackle The Purge when they're already represented by Death Guard forces anyway.

**Racerguy180**

Formosa wrote:those chaos marines are awesome, quick replacement of the heads for one of the legion sets and were a go!!!

agreed

Adeptus Doritos wrote:That was quick.

Wonder if we'll get Infiltrator modular kits soon. I needs those to kitbash.

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I was thinking about buying 2 sets of etb reivers and swap parts to make diff posed Infiltrators then vice-versa. worked for hellblasters/intercessors so why not?

**tneva82**

Biggest thing I love about these ones is the statement they are comparable to old kits. Refreshing change of pace from one posers with little customisation options. More of these tyvm!

**CREEEEEEEEED**

tneva82 wrote:
Biggest thing I love about these ones is the statement they are comparable to old kits. Refreshing change of pace from one posers with little customisation options. More of these tyvm!

This for me is the biggest part of this awesome announcement. I was worried GW had quietly said goodbye to multipose kits, as every release for around a year now has been some degree of one poser, with a limited range of poses for things like intercessors. Also the fact it is compatible with the rest of the SM line gives me hope mini marines will not be squatted at least until the next chaos update, which shouldn't be for a long time.

**GoatboyBeta**

These new CSM are compatible with the old models in the same way the Primaris are. As in most heads and shoulder pads will still work, while the legs and torsos are mono fit. The big difference seems to be that the CSM set is designed as a ten man squad, not a five man squad. So no duplicated body poses in the box.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

That’s not what the article suggests? It says about mixing MkIII and that, which to me is suggestive of full compatibility?

**FrothingMuppet**

Agreed you can see the legs and torsos are monoposed single bits. Looks like you can swap arms and pads and heads.

**Crimson**

The new CSM look great. It is such a shame that the rules are still pathetic. Now that they're almost Primaris-sized, their feeble stats feel even more wrong and insulting.

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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
That’s not what the article suggests? It says about mixing MkIII and that, which to me is suggestive of full compatibility?

You can mix the arms, shoulders heads and backpacks. It is pretty clear that the torso and legs are one piece; you can tell because the waist doesn't look like crap.

**GaroRobe**

A lot of the helmets look pretty nice. I always liked the DV Chosen helmet (the one the repeated model with the bolter wore) and it's nice to see them show up with horns and without. (They also were used on one of the Shadowspear CSM)

Do you think the less chaos-y helmets are too different from tactical marines to use on Loyalist? I've got some big plans for the tusked helmet. (unrelated note, I will be willing to buy as many of those heads off of people as I can)

**drbored**

Rydria wrote:
Did anyone else notice that world eaters and emperor's children where the only legions (who don't have a codex) to not get an example colour scheme with the new chaos space marines ?

I noticed.

It could be a tiny hint. It could mean absolutely nothing.

Either way, this reveal only solves one of the daemon engine images so far, the terrain piece. I'd love it if they went ahead and threw Noise Marines and Khorne Berzerkers into the updated kits. I'd love it MORE if they got their own Codexes, but we'll see. As a collector, I'm more interested in the models than I am the Codexes. I think it's been like 5 months since I played a 40k game and yet I've bought a bit of something nearly every release since.

**Grimskul**

They look great! I'm glad they finally did CSM justice model wise, it was always a pain to see my friend just watch helplessly as loyalists get endless updates to their core line while his languished in their awkward squat poses. His only respite were the HH plastics, but at least its worth the wait. Now we just have to hope they can address their lacklustre rules (though that appears to be a larger issue overall for marines this edition).

**Adeptus Doritos**

Racerguy180 wrote:

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I was thinking about buying 2 sets of etb reivers and swap parts to make diff posed Infiltrators then vice-versa. worked for hellblasters/intercessors so why not?

You're a nerd and should be pushed into the nearest large trash receptacle if you do not do this.

My thing is, I'd really like to get my hands on them optics- that sweet delicious peek-a-boo glass would really make damned near any Space Marine's bang-bang look super sexy.

**CREEEEEEEEED**

Crimson wrote:
You can mix the arms, shoulders heads and backpacks. It is pretty clear that the torso and legs are one piece; you can tell because the waist doesn't look like crap.

Crap, I think you might be right. Time to go buy a box of CSM before they disappear so I can have my mixed MKIII torsos and legs for iron warriors.

**Red Corsair**

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Wonder how they're gonna tackle The Purge when they're already represented by Death Guard forces anyway.

The guy in the image with a fist is from the Cleaved renegade chapter, in case you were confusing the two like I always do lol.

Edit: ah sorry, I see they mention the Purge specifically in the artical, that is interesting.

**zend**

The CSM kit is just delicious. I want to see what the bodies will look like with Berserker heads and arms!

**H.B.M.C.**

A Chaos Stargate? So... a Chaos Gate? I think it looks great.

I also think the new CSMs look great. Shame about the single-pose torso's/legs and how GW is pretending they're modular.

This is interesting though, given recent discussions:

Vigilus Ablaze also breathes new life into the Renegade Chapters – those raiders and corsairs who have joined the ranks of Chaos since the dark days of the Horus Heresy. You’ll find new traits for fan-favourites like the Red Corsairs and Crimson Slaughter, plus rules for niche but beloved renegades like The Purge, Brazen Beasts, Flawless Host and The Scourged. Each has their own rules, including a bespoke Relic and Stratagem. WIth Vigilus Ablaze, you’ll have more freedom when building your Chaos army than ever before, allowing you to create a dread host to suit your tastes.

Of course I doubt that you'll be able to play recently turned Renegades, only those that have traded in their flyers, Centurions, Cyclones, Thunder Hammers, Storm Shields, Storm Bolters, Grav-Weapons, Multi-Meltas, Razorbacks and Land Speeders for Autocannons, Combi-Bolters and Daemon Engines.

**Crimson**

H.B.M.C. wrote:

I also think the new CSMs look great. Shame about the single-pose torso's/legs and how GW is pretending their modular.

They're modular as all other bits are separate. Combined torso and waist is an improvement, it is plain to see on these models as the waist area looks massively better. You have ten different bodies, and ten more from the Shadowspear box.

**Adeptus Doritos**

Let's be really honest, having a solid torso + legs isn't that detrimental, considering that it makes it a better sculpt overall.

**H.B.M.C.**

Wait until Arms B and D only fit with Torso A, and Arms A and C only fit with Torso B, and so on, and you'll start to see how "modular" they really are...

**Adeptus Doritos**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Wait until Arms B and D only fit with Torso A, and Arms A and C only fit with Torso B, and so on, and you'll start to see how "modular" they really are...

So the only difference between them and Primaris Hellblasters, Reivers, and Intercessors is you don't have to glue very specific legs on to a specific torso... I'd consider those kits pretty modular.

**Crimson**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Wait until Arms B and D only fit with Torso A, and Arms A and C only fit with Torso B, and so on, and you'll start to see how "modular" they really are...

This will not be the case, it is not the case on the multipart Primaris models either.

**BrianDavion**

on another note, I was in my local GW shop picking up shadowspear the other day and complained about how CSMs had a "eaither or" approuch to boltguns or a CCW, he seemed confused by my off hand statement,and thought they could be when he said "ohh thats just the shadowspear stuff the complete kit will have the option" so he might just have been confused but it could also be a hint that Chaos Marines will be able to have a boltgun AND a CCW again. which would honestly be a nice buff to Black Legion

**MonkeyBallistic**

Strange that there’s no mention of a collectors edition of the Vigilus book in the community article. I hope there will be one to match the collectors edition of the first book.

**GaroRobe**

I don't think all the torso and legs will be attached.
Look at the champion with the powerfist. He's got a unique loincloth and "belt buckle?" that you don't see in the wider shot. You do see his legs on the model with the Icon on his banner, but the torso its attached to is different, and the loincloth isn't the same.

They are both turned the same way. Maybe the back of the torso is attached to the legs, but the front isn't? That should make it an easier fit, and a bit more customization.

**Crimson**

GaroRobe wrote:
I don't think all the torso and legs will be attached.
Look at the champion with the powerfist. He's got a unique loincloth and "belt buckle?" that you don't see in the wider shot. You do see his legs on the model with the Icon on his banner, but the torso its attached to is different, and the loincloth isn't the same.

They are both turned the same way. Maybe the back of the torso is attached to the legs, but the front isn't? That should make it an easier fit, and a bit more customization.

Good catch, but that's the only one I can see. (I assume that the heavy bolter and the teal plasma guy are the same, though I can't be sure as the HB is on the way. There might be couple of extra chest pieces that go with specific legs. The loincloth bits must have been designed for the specific legs in order for them to work the way they do.

**Latro_**

Weird fleshing out wardbands like the flawless host and scourged with their own relics etc...

Annoying if they are trying to get you to use csm by further nerfing cultists

**GoatboyBeta**

GaroRobe wrote:

Look at the champion with the powerfist. He's got a unique loincloth and "belt buckle?" that you don't see in the wider shot. You do see his legs on the model with the Icon on his banner, but the torso its attached to is different, and the loincloth isn't the same.

Its possible that some of the body's may have alternate chest plates. IIRC the Primaris Aggresors have one for the sargent. Some or all of the lioncloths could also be two part? The bone colourd champ looks like he has the same chainmail behined the straps as the icon bearer has behined the cloth.
Edit - Looks like the BL Marine with the chain fed bolter and the NL share the same assembly with different arms. And while its hard to be sure with the torso covered up, the BL meltagun guy and the IW Marine also seem to share the same body.

**Nym**

Sooo... Looking at the Vigilus Black Legion picture, we can read "Mere mortals : Chaos Cultists do not benefit from the Black Crusaders legion trait". Seeing this, I thought it meant that now all units would benefit from Legion traits ! Unfortunately, if you zoom in you can see that only Daemon Prince, infantry, bikers and Helbrute benefit from Black Crusaders...

I'm so sad right now.

**Scottywan82**

So the new CSM box comes with both the Heavy Bolter and Missile Launcher? That's pretty decent. I am crossing my fingers for Lascannons in the Havocs box they previewed.

**Drudge Dreadnought**

Nym wrote:
Sooo... Looking at the Vigilus Black Legion picture, we can read "Mere mortals : Chaos Cultists do not benefit from the Black Crusaders legion trait". Seeing this, I thought it meant that now all units would benefit from Legion traits ! Unfortunately, if you zoom in you can see that only Daemon Prince, infantry, bikers and Helbrute benefit from Black Crusaders...

I'm so sad right now.

I can't believe they aren't fixing the Black Legion trait. I'd be fine with cultists not benefiting if the trait was actually good. But the black Legion trait remains the worst except for the poor word bearers.