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There's no chances about it, I'm afraid.

Here are the sprues:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
There's no chances about it, I'm afraid.

Here are the sprues:

Spoiler:

gak and neither enough chainswords and or bolters for a full squad......

drbored wrote:

Either way, Havocs are just Devastators, and I don't see Devastators on the table much these days, so I kind of expect these to just... not be important? You don't have to buy this kit to make a good army, is what I'm saying.

Have they previewed the rules for the Havocs yet? I've been wondering if they'll go to something more like Horus Heresy rules where the entire unit can take heavy weapons rather than being limited to four.

No 360 view for Abby on the NZ web store? Or is my tablet just not displaying it properly?

Not Online!!! wrote:


gak and neither enough chainswords and or bolters for a full squad......

IMO, there just needs to be seven of either. I have always kitted the champion with a pistol and power weapon and I am going to model two special weapons of some sort. After that, I decide if the squad is going ranged or melee focused.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
There's no chances about it, I'm afraid.

Here are the sprues:

Spoiler:

gak and neither enough chainswords and or bolters for a full squad......

I counted 7 bolters, which assuming you have your Champ in standard configuration and a special and heavy then that would be enough. There are also 7 chainswords, but that would kind of force you done the road of giving your Champ a power weapon if you kept the special and heavy weapon.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
There's no chances about it, I'm afraid.

Here are the sprues:

Spoiler:

gak and neither enough chainswords and or bolters for a full squad......

With any luck, there’ll be easy swapsies amongst the community. It’s still not a great design overall though.

I feel like GW kind of did me dirty with the biker and cultist re-box lol.

But did the Bikers/Cultists go up in price?

Not Online!!! wrote:
gak and neither enough chainswords and or bolters for a full squad......

I noticed that too.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
gak and neither enough chainswords and or bolters for a full squad......

I noticed that too.

It wouldn't have killed them to give us atleast a full bolter loadout.

Especially of the drummag bolter.

Feels short on supply man.

Man look at those Chaos Space Marines sprues. Old style. And some legs aren't connected to the torsos, even better!

Please GW, more kits like this ones!

 Latro_ wrote:
some more pics, looks like no new noise marines and another shot of havocs

Wait... why does that look like they reboxed the cultists and left out the leaders and (more importantly) the special weapons?
That's... exactly what's been missing all this time. How does that help?


CSM kit needed at least one more bolter. Preferably all 10, but still

Is there enough bolters if you assume that 2 guys have special/heavy weapons and the champion has a combi? Same for chainswords.

 Gael Knight wrote:
Getting a bit sick of GW using the same Codex cover over and over again.

It's pathetic.

No, it's smart business. Why spend money on new art that 96% of those people who will buy the army do not care about in any capacity. I couldn't even tell you what the cover of any of my codexes has on it, I've never given it a second thought.

 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
Is there enough bolters if you assume that 2 guys have special/heavy weapons and the champion has a combi? Same for chainswords.

Yes...? I mean, if you want to build every squad as fully kitted out with every upgrade possible.
But honestly, I've been playing 40k since first edition and have almost never done that with even one or two squads. More plain bodies is generally more cost effective than dropping stuff on the sarge.

 Togusa wrote:

 Gael Knight wrote:
Getting a bit sick of GW using the same Codex cover over and over again.

It's pathetic.

No, it's smart business. Why spend money on new art that 96% of those people who will buy the army do not care about in any capacity. I couldn't even tell you what the cover of any of my codexes has on it, I've never given it a second thought.

Eh. The specific art never mattered to me, but I did like being able to identify different editions of a codex at a glance. Since GW has dropped putting <Xth> edition on books at all, its become more confusing, especially in indie stores that don't necessarily get rid of older versions of books (which is annoyingly common around here- I've noticed it a few times in different stores.

So where do we get the autocannon? They've been showing it with the basic csm kit but not on the havocs and it's not in the basic csm box either as far as I can tell. It better not be locked to shadowspear.

I'm disappointed in the lack of god-specific iconography in the new CSM box...

 Roknar wrote:
So where do we get the autocannon? They've been showing it with the basic csm kit but not on the havocs and it's not in the basic csm box either as far as I can tell. It better not be locked to shadowspear.

looks like it's exclusive to shadowspear.

 Roknar wrote:
So where do we get the autocannon? They've been showing it with the basic csm kit but not on the havocs and it's not in the basic csm box either as far as I can tell. It better not be locked to shadowspear.

There's at least 1 autocannon with the Havocs. Otherwise, in Shadowspear

The Shadowspear CSM are more of an ETB kit, right? If so I imagine they'll be released separately down the road.

 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:
The Shadowspear CSM are more of an ETB kit, right? If so I imagine they'll be released separately down the road.

No. They're a simplified build.

 Togusa wrote:

 Gael Knight wrote:
Getting a bit sick of GW using the same Codex cover over and over again.

It's pathetic.

No, it's smart business. Why spend money on new art that 96% of those people who will buy the army do not care about in any capacity. I couldn't even tell you what the cover of any of my codexes has on it, I've never given it a second thought.

Good for you?

I wonder if the Master of Execution(s) gets a spare head. The art carts feature a picture of him, where it appears like he has a skull showing and isn't wearing the leather mask depicted on the model:

The art card looks sweet, the model looks plain goofy. Does make me curious what he'd look like with a different head though

While the dice are sort of cool, they're horrendous to read. Why can't GW just do themed dice that have normally arranged dots or numbers?

None of the new models, so far has been demonstrated with a Emperor's children or world eaters colour scheme this gives me the impression they are only be included in this codex as a temporary thing, until GW gets around to giving them there own codex.

 Rydria wrote:
None of the new models, so far has been demonstrated with a Emperor's children or world eaters colour scheme this gives me the impression they are only be included in this codex as a temporary thing, until GW gets around to giving them there own codex.

Don't get too excited. EC and WE schemes are often left off of generic CSM boxes. The previous CSM box didn't have any and the Termie box only had CS and BL

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 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:
The Shadowspear CSM are more of an ETB kit, right? If so I imagine they'll be released separately down the road.

I don't see how. The csm kit is going to be released now and it doesn't seem to have an autocannon. They're not going to re-release those.
The only possibility would be havocs but then I find it weird they wouldn't show it in any of the pics as part of a havoc squad.

Voss wrote:

 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
Is there enough bolters if you assume that 2 guys have special/heavy weapons and the champion has a combi? Same for chainswords.

Yes...? I mean, if you want to build every squad as fully kitted out with every upgrade possible.
But honestly, I've been playing 40k since first edition and have almost never done that with even one or two squads. More plain bodies is generally more cost effective than dropping stuff on the sarge.

 Togusa wrote:

 Gael Knight wrote:
Getting a bit sick of GW using the same Codex cover over and over again.

It's pathetic.

No, it's smart business. Why spend money on new art that 96% of those people who will buy the army do not care about in any capacity. I couldn't even tell you what the cover of any of my codexes has on it, I've never given it a second thought.

Eh. The specific art never mattered to me, but I did like being able to identify different editions of a codex at a glance. Since GW has dropped putting <Xth> edition on books at all, its become more confusing, especially in indie stores that don't necessarily get rid of older versions of books (which is annoyingly common around here- I've noticed it a few times in different stores.

Okay, that is fair. They really should print the edition on the books, I will give you that.


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 Gael Knight wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

 Gael Knight wrote:
Getting a bit sick of GW using the same Codex cover over and over again.

It's pathetic.

No, it's smart business. Why spend money on new art that 96% of those people who will buy the army do not care about in any capacity. I couldn't even tell you what the cover of any of my codexes has on it, I've never given it a second thought.

Good for you?

It's literally a non-issue that has zero effect on the game?

I think the dice would be great if the 6 were the eye of Horus and the 1 were just a chaos spike.

The Mordor dice they released last fall are really good stand ins for black legion dice, being a red and gold eye and all.